If y'all are so smart, riddle me this

Umm... probability clouds mean that the particle has one location, it just can't rely that information to another particle (or you). So it still is mostly empty space. And by the PEP, no more than two fermions can occupy one quantum state (one cloud) at the same time, meaning there needs to be multiple clouds for multiple fermions, which means lots of space needed for matter.

You're an idiot. A probability cloud (orbital) is an area that an electron could occupy in space. In reality the electron is only located in one of the possible areas in the orbital at any time.

>Spherical Earth theory
>Evolution theory
>Atomic theory
That last one has already been debunked from what modern physics has revealed to us, that matter isn't just little balls and stick bonds, which are a crude, incomplete picture of what really happens at the sub-microscopic scale of reality

Though these idea all have something I common... can't quite place it...
Theory?

Gravitation theory
Evolution theory
Quantum theory
Relativity theory
Spherical Earth theory

>Just a Theory

"Just a Theory"

Theoretical, as in no one has ever successfully designed a reproducible experiment that confirms them beyond all reasonable doubt.
Still photos =/= evidence
youtu.be/edsUrLXrlLg?t=45s

Another on the same topic (dogcam rocket)

youtube.com/watch?v=sm91VSMbr5Y

What's "anomalous" about this picture? It's a stitched together image, did you not know that?

If that was true, the 'anomalies' (clone stamp operations) would be uniformly spaced, which the clearly are not by any projection of a globe.

How on earth does stitched together imply uniformly spaced??

he's right though lmao

also
>the electron is only located in one of the possible areas
that's retarded for two reasons. 1) matter waves. matter exhibits wave behavior. 2) even if that were true, the implication of what you're saying means that the human brain wouldn't even be able to interpret an electron as being in a single place at the single time given how """""rapidly it moves"""""" to be at all these places at a certain time/probability

Are you implying NASA can't even manage to take evenly spaced photos for their 'composite?
It's a joke that they haven't/can't photograph earth entirely with one of the many probes/telescopes that supposedly got plenty far enough from earth to do so.

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Why would you want to make evenly spaced photos??? A good composite has absolutely nothing to do with evenly spacing photos and I'm really confused as to why you think so. There are, of course, hundreds of full earth photos but that line of argumentation is a dead end (as all are with flat earthers) because you'll just say "oh thats CGI/fake"

Matter waves exist as a probability cloud, which as we just said, has a definite location but you cannot know the location of the particle (since the particle is in an electron cloud/orbital, you already know the momentum, and by HUP you cannot know the position).

The electron doesn't have a "place" within the orbital, the orbital is literally just a spacial boundary and the electron 'pops' into existence from the platonic realm every time it is observed.

youtu.be/NR5ODNDtGTA

Around 3 minutes and 40 seconds in.

earth is flat, get over it.

"atom is mostly empty space" is a misconception born out of the ignorance of masses who try to explain the quantum with their preconceived notions of their version of reality.

it's simply not true.

>electron acts as a particle and a wave
>a wave can only occupy one position at only one time
you faggots that don't know shit about shit need to stop talking like you know shit

>Theoretical, as in no one has ever successfully designed a reproducible experiment
Here's one: why don't you try circumnavigating the earth starting from where you live? If the earth is a sphere you should end up where you started. If you're not convinced about the spherical shape (because you think it's a torus), try navigating it again but heading in a 90 degree angle from you original path.
>inb4 it's all a hologram

Also, what reproducible experiment could I do today that would prove the earth is as flat as a coin? (Expect for mountains of course.)

>a reproducible experiment that confirms them beyond all reasonable doubt.

Stand anywhere well North of the tropics. Go outside at night. Observe the behavior of the stars during the night. To make it easier, you can take some time-lapse pictures, such as this one.

Do the same thing south of the tropics.

Contemplate what you have observed.

(For fun, you could stand right on the equator at the equinox, and observe again.)

PROTIP: You could do this really at any two spots of sufficiently different latitude, but being where you can see first one celestial pole, then the other, is harder to mistake.

Wasted trips by forgetting pic.

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Where's the curve globecuck?

youtube.com/watch?v=WQITXbcz2hg

Look up electron degeneracy pressure. Contrary to what many people think it's not due to the charge of electrons repelling each other.

>Stars moving in the sky means the earth is moving.

Isn't it also possible that it is the stars moving, not us? All scientific experiments have proven we NOT moving.

Because there are no solid things, it's an illusion by the mind.

>Isn't it also possible that it is the stars moving, not us?
Yes, but there's no way to explain the observed motion of the stars on a flat Earth.

>All scientific experiments have proven we NOT moving.
Coriolis Effect.

fermionic degeneracy

Because mitochondria is the powerhouse of the cell

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophy_of_science

theory (a geuss)

>Are you implying NASA can't even manage to take evenly spaced photos for their 'composite?
Well, when you use satellites in a polar orbit to take your photos and the things in the photos, like clouds, move between orbits, it can be tricky.

>It's a joke that they haven't/can't photograph earth entirely with one of the many probes/telescopes that supposedly got plenty far enough from earth to do so.
It's a joke that you still repeat this when it hasn't been correct for many years now.
epic.gsfc.nasa.gov/
And if you want something not from NASA
himawari8.nict.go.jp/

Scientific theory means something extremely different from "theory" in the colloquial sense.

That looks real to you brainlet? That's just high altitude photos mapped to a sphere.

>That looks real to you brainlet?
Yes.
>That's just high altitude photos mapped to a sphere.
Of course, including 13 bands of infrared 24 hours a day by a fleet of completely unseen aircraft and balloons that magically don't come back down.

theories mean it cant be proven

Get familiar with the works of Tesla and the ether model. You'll see how full of sh** Einstein was.

Was it hard getting your GED?

Germ theory.

Did you know that our leading explanation for how diseases transmit from person to person is still "just a theory"?

electrostatic repulsion.

you can envision the electron as a "cloud" with a wavefunction that collapses when its position/momentum is measured.

technically if you simultaneously measured the state of every electron in every atom in every molecule of a wall and every electron in every atom in every molecule in your body, you could pass through the wall.

If this were relevant at STP, wouldn't hydrogen atoms be able to fuse together if their electrons had different spins? electron degeneracy pressure only becomes relevant if you're talking about crap going on in the center of the sun or something.

crazy idea, but if you measured the position and momenta of two hydrogen atoms simultaneously to collapse the wavefunctions of their respective electron clouds and localize their charges on opposite ends of each other or something, could you bring them close enough to fuse?

... but you'd probably just end up partially fusing with the wall and releasing a huge amount of energy that would kill you and everyone around you.

high alt balloons stay up for a long time and we've been using them forever

youtube.com/watch?v=Fcf_FhggaiY

A game theory

>electrostatic repulsion

Negative and positive charges are not the reason why electrons hover above the nucleus (it serves as a very small contribution to the net force). The main reason is because of electron degeneracy pressure (which follows from the HUP).

>wavefunction that collapses when its position/momentum is measured

Wavefunctions collapse under different circumstances, namely when you have a beam of particles that you measure. Within a atomic system, the momentum of the electron is known by using chemistry to determine which orbitals are occupied at the ground state. No measurements are required (unless you are using IR spectroscopy and you are exciting the electrons into higher energy states).

>technically if you simultaneously measured the state of every electron in every atom in every molecule of a wall and every electron in every atom in every molecule in your body, you could pass through the wall

Two things: you are forgetting about the existence of nuclei and focusing only on electrons. Secondly, electrons have a definite location and definite momentum, they just aren't able to relay both of those values without some uncertainty associated. Measuring the electrons doesn't make them disappear.

>If this were relevant at STP, wouldn't hydrogen atoms be able to fuse together if their electrons had different spins?

Once again you're forgetting about nuclei. An electron can overcome an energy barrier and ionize a hydrogen atom, but two hydrogen nuclei cannot occupy the same quantum state unless the nuclei degeneracy pressure is overcome. Remember that protons and neutrons are made out of quarks which are also fermions.

savage af

The most concise answer is electromagnetism. I think a good analogy would be pillows.

If you have a single pillow you practically push through it and it is very pliable. If you stack pillows together then eventually you get to a point where even punching them does very little because of their cumulative absorption of force. If you add elasticity and the heisenberg principle to the equation if makes for objects that can be solid, flexible and penetrable yet that maintain their composition despite the ratio of matter to empty space being heavily in favor of the latter.

range of photons vs. gluons?

I think the atom is just a field. I don't think there's any particles in it or any physicality to it.

This thread was on page 10, about to die. The third thread on the line.

Fuck you all.

if nuclei degeneracy pressure is relevant, then how is muon-catalyzed fusion possible at STP?

I was always under the impression that measuring position or momentum of electrons collapses their wavefunctions, localizing their charges at that instant. Yeah, the inverse square law still applies, but since the field is more point-like it changes the charge distribution a little. I'd be interested in seeing the math for this -- I'm too lazy to do it hence why I asked lol. The nuclei are so far away from the electrons that their electrostatic effect wouldn't really be relevant -- at that close of a distance, the strong nuclear force would overpower electromagnetism, right?

>muon-catalyzed fusion

I'm not an expert, but here's what I found on Wikipedia:
>Muons are unstable subatomic particles. They are similar to electrons, but are about 207 times more massive. If a muon replaces one of the electrons in a hydrogen molecule, the nuclei are consequently drawn 196[1][2] times closer than in a normal molecule, due to the reduced mass being 196 times the mass of an electron. When the nuclei are this close together, the probability of nuclear fusion is greatly increased, to the point where a significant number of fusion events can happen at room temperature.

Muon's are also fermions, so they also abide by degeneracy pressure. However, it doesn't take as much energy to overcome degeneracy pressure because the much higher mass of the muon massively decreases its distance to the nucleus, which means it has already overcome the majority of the energy barrier.

The strong nuclear force holds protons and neutrons together so they don't fly out. It really comes down to electron degeneracy pressure.

HOWEVER

Electron degeneracy pressure is due to electromagnetism if you closely look at it. Two electrons cannot occupy the same energy state, so if an electron wants to share space, it has to have a much higher energy in order to compress. This energy is caused by repulsion from other electrons, ergo electromagnetism.

But to simply say electromagnetism is wrong. This phenomenon does not happen without the HUP.

Because you are too fat, that's why.

Miss me with that gay shit homie, atoms don't wear socks so what u sayin? They gotta push each other away too cuz they can't even say no homo.

>y'all
don't worry about it, Tex

In science, 'theory' is pretty damn solid,
it's like a nuclear-powered supercarrier,
almost impossible to sink. To become a theory, it has to:

1) explain all observed phenomena

2) predict new phenomena

3) give predictions that then have been verified in tests

A theory is 1+2+3, a hypothesis is 1+2.

The layman use of 'theory', in the best case, is about the same as the scientific definition of 'hypothesis'.
but most everyday usage barely covers (1), and often fails even that level.

Didn't they teach the concept of "models" in Special education? Electrons are neither waves nor balls. Both are just models to descripe the same thing.

Beside: What the fuck is a wave if not just correlation of two properties? A wave has no physical form (meaning no "embodyment").

It doesn't mean it has a definite position you dense motherfucker. For all intents and purposes, until you poke a particle with something, it's in all the states, but more in some than in others, and it interacts with itself both destructively and constructively.