Anyone else getting blackpilled about space exploration? All evidence we find points to life being common, the building blocks are literally everywhere and we've found enough planets and earth like planets to extrapolate that the galaxy is littered with them. It's an obvious deduction that life is everywhere, but we've made no contact.
There's only 2 possibilities. Either intelligent life is a freak occurrence or interstellar space travel is practically impossible. I think it's the latter.
It's both
Personally I'm convinced that self-destructiveness is innate for intelligent, organized life so everyone just nukes themselves like clockwork before they can explore space
Pretty depressing realization
That's a meme, nukes are the only reason WWIII hasn't happened yet.
Between developed, civilized nations
More and more countries are attaining nuclear as the years go by and it only takes one bad leader to fuck our shit up
Or it could be the third possiblity, natural disasters on a planetary scale occurs more often then we think and we've been extremely lucky.
This is why we need to seed humanity on other planets because we're getting too cocky in the belief that man is special enough not to get blasted by a fuck huge meteorite or blasted by significant radiation.
It took more than 4 billion years for Earth to produce intelligent life, it's rare. And intelligent civilizations that are space faring are even more rare. But taking the scale of the universe into account there must be numerous space faring civilizations just based in probablity nowhere near our vicinity, perhaps we are even alone in our galaxy.
Youre level of retardation is astounding. Nuclear arsenals are only an effective deterrent if the outcome of a conflict is a binary
choice of survival or destruction for the state. Generally speaking states dont go to war with the intention of utterly destroying another state. The actual reason why there hasnt been a WW3 yet is people arent THAT stupid and globalization means that you devastate your own economy regardless of outcome. This is the basic principle of modern strategic planning, and is why skirmish and brushfire wars dominating modern conflicts
> Either intelligent life is a freak occurrence or interstellar space travel is practically impossible.
On my desk sits technical papers on advanced power generation and faster than light(FTL) travel using aether physics and pilot wave propulsion. I can assure you, interstellar space travel is possible.
Total war has historically been beneficial for the gene pool.
When leaders stop being brainlets and realize they are losing the long game due to economic warefare, neocolonialism, etc, then we'll see some shit start to happen again.
Perfect Nash Equilibrium in MAD assumes perfectly rational agents, perfect launch detection and no reliable anti-ballistic missile technology. All of these things have been proven to be imperfect to date.
Keep your fingers crossed, user.
>FTL travel
Brainlet
Interstellar travel is more than possible without it
Here's some red pill.
Nukes are fake brainlets, can't believe you've fallen for that meme.
Space is fake. Extra-terrestrials are fake. Earth is at the center of this electric universe that is revolving around us. Welcome to the next scientific revolution, it's about damn time.
Electric universe has nothing to do with what you are proposing moron.
Or God made life on Earth and Earth alone.
I agree 100%. I'm actually quite scared that this space shit has grown in prevalence among the normies once more thanks to SpaceX. Is Elon Musk the antichrist?
You are just a brainlet. Of course we won't colonize alpha fucking centauri in our lifetime but just imagine how many thing in our solar system are left to be discovered:
We will build nuclear drives and solar sails that will get us to Pluto in years, with humans on board. It will be like when we first took off to explore the new world, it took a long time to get there, but oh boy was it worth it
>It will be like when we first took off to explore the new world, it took a long time to get there, but oh boy was it worth it
It's not like traveling to another habitable continent, Pluto is a cold boring rock and the prospect of being there for years would be enough to make anyone kill themselves
>All evidence we find points to life being common
that's not true at all
What evidence? That stars produce carbon? That we call molecules with carbon in them "organic?"
This is no evidence that life is common, and there is a lot of evidence that says self assembling molecules will never form on their own.
>Pluto is a cold boring rock
This is like saying science is a cold and boring topic just because it is difficult.
How can you know that there is nothing of value to us on Pluto, Venus, Mars, The Gas Giants or even Europa?
Hardly. Where are you going to find the nutrients to sustain a crew for several years (decades) in the dead of space
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they are uncomfortable lifeless deadly rocks
On board agriculture using stockpiled and manufactured fertilizer, recycling everything possible
Your have more than enough space for it, as the ship would be colossal because of these supply stockpiles and fuel tanks
>t. ultrabrainlet
Imagine: Life in the oceans of Europa, Asteroid mining, extracting Helium 3 from Saturn, exploring the vast cave systems of mars, Cloud Cities in the skies of Venus
This mentality kills the science, user
How are you going to feed the plants? Where are they going to get their nutrients?
Up until the modern age, sure. But look at all the good genetics that were lost in WWI and WWII.
Third possibility is there is universe-wide law that more developed civs don't contact less developed ones for whatever reason.
Fourth possibility is universe is so full with intelligent species that making contact with one isn't really interesting and the only reason nobody contacted us yet is because we simply aren't that interesting.
>reading comprehension
Google what the word fertilizer means
The end game of humanity is terraforming other planets inside this solar system. Its not great, but its better than nothing.
>fertilizer is all plants need
The greatest generation was based, that's the point. Note how Boomers were the beginning of the downward spiral and also happen to be the first generation to not experience a culling through total war.
What am I proposing brainlet?
Elon was certainly chosen for a reason.
>tfw Elon was chosen by fate and based Von Braun to be the leader of Mars
I'm ok with this.jpg
Suck Elon's peepee and you can go to Mars.
is it really so easy to kill all people on the planet? even if there was nuclear war, some people would survive, and after few thousands of years the population and civilization would get back to its original level
The funny thing is it might just repeat itself. Amazonians or Mongolians or Kalihari bushmen survive, rebuild, in 20,000 years we're back to where we were.
And then they nuke themselves and Laplanders, Injuns and Abbos survive. Then the first two rebuild.
>alone in our galaxy
Galactic Empire lets fucking gooooooooooo
Dude we didn't even know if planets existed outside of the solar system until the 90s. Even though all evidence would suggest that planets had to exist outside of the solar system. We haven't even mapped out our own planet let alone the solar system. You're being a dumb asshole.
>galactic empires
No chance. Humanity will conquer their own minds and individuals will become the Gods of their own subjective realities. This is the great filter of intelligent life.
life is common, intelligent technological life unique, civilizations are apart by millions of years, colonization isn't needed and doesn't happen on large scale.
Other points:civs more advanced than us won't contact primitive ones because unique cultural and technological development is more important.
We also probably mistake some objects and events in universe for natural, while they are artificial.
Also we already detected dozens of Dyson Sphere candidates
you can travel to other stars in timeframe of 20-50 years.Thats within normal human lifespan
There only needs to be a few thousand light years between civilizations for there to be ass-tons of them in the Milky Way, and we still wouldn't have met them yet, assuming no faster than light travel.
>terraforming
it'a meme. Why wait 4000 years for a planet with shitty weather if you can build habitat in 40 that is pleasant to live in?
reading comprehension 0/10
fuck this shitty rock ball planets
Rotating habs is where it's at
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How many times do i have to say it.
The planets that we see are from light travelling across the universe.
We are seeing these planets hundreds,thousands, or millions of years in the past.
Please learn to speed of light and relativity.
The milky way has 200 billion stars and is 100,000 light years across. 100,000 years isnt that long on a galactic scale
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How will civilization get back without the natural resources we used. If humans get sent back to the stone age we will never get back to where we were.
>we can have both
blew your tiny mind didnt I, you're welcome
>There's only 2 possibilities. Either intelligent life is a freak occurrence or interstellar space travel is practically impossible. I think it's the latter.
There's a lot of other possibilities - and the latter is more or less a non-starter, as biological immortality (or at least extreme longevity) seems closer to our grasp than interstellar travel, and once you have that, or suspended animation, the thousands of years between the stars at sublight speeds doesn't seem quite so daunting anymore.
The lack of radio chatter is also a non-starter. Inverse-square means none of our local broadcasts are separable from background noise beyond the orbit of Jupiter, and the few semi-suicidal active SETI broadcasts we've transmitted wouldn't be considered evidence of alien life if we received them here from a source of equal distance (too faint and too short). In addition to the fact that none of them have reached their destinations, nor will they have in any of our great-great-great-grandchildren's lifetimes.
Biological immortality more or less requires abandoning the infinite expansion strategy instinctive to life in order to survive, lest you drown in bodies, so advanced civilizations are probably population capped, with maybe millions, or perhaps even just hundreds of immortal individuals per colony, and only enough colonies to prevent sudden extinction. There would be no need for mega structures or huge power signatures to support such tiny civilizations. Further, to have made it to the stars before they exhausted their home world's resources likely entails extreme efficiency. There could be thousands of such advanced civilizations right in our own backyard, and we'd have no way to detect them, lest they were actively trying to be seen. (Hell, there could be a civilization as radio-noisy as Earth orbiting Saturn or beyond, and we could still easily miss it - nevermind ones in other solar systems.)
>aether physics