Is Veeky Forums genuinely anti DFW now?

Is Veeky Forums genuinely anti DFW now?

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DFW is a FUCKING WHITE MALE and his legacy must be erased at all costs.

I think lit is actually too stupid for DFW now. Notice how out of all the legitimate criticisms you can make of DFW, lit will 9/10 times resort to complaining about his pretentiousness, or how he is being insincere by adding superfluous references that don't relate to his life in any genuine way. And note how they use insincere in order to protest his advocation for sincerity, not realizing that their use of insincere isn't the opposite of his sincerity, which is just to put it briefly the understanding that nowadays even if there aren't privileged definitions of value or truth it doesn't preclude and shouldn't be used as a bridge to not cultivate virtues corresponding to honesty, truthfulness, etc. His whole deal is that irony was co-opted by mass entertainment and was adopted by the culture to disavow real issues and real problems when it was originally used to rebel against dogmatism and propaganda.

imagine hanging out with this guy in real life. go ahead I'll wait.

does it seem fun?

Im just describing his position and lits poor argument in response, but that's mean

whoah like totally bro because we should judge peoples opinions based off whether theyd be down to get litty and crack open some cold ones with the boys

yes, because i enjoy discussing literature

listen here jack I didn't say anything about his ideas or opinion. I just said he seems lame. Not like you with your cutting edge facebook memeolgy and your dollar story sarcasm you sound like someone whose life is governed by ironic self awareness and societal cliche. You're like the caged bird who sings about how he has come to love his cage. And if you ask me there is something terribly sad and banal about that.

more fun than hanging out with someone who's insecure and just throws out the cheapest insults they can muster

Ya know? Personally I stay away from these threads because though I've been a reader my entire life, I've read little DFW-- only the essays in Consider..
But there he seems like an amiable, competent writer. I suppose I should bight the bullet and read his fiction.

i've never read anything by dfw but it's been quite a journey seeing lit going (even more) ape shit because of this guy today

dude are you like a psych major or something?

>discuss literature and get shit on
>shit post and get shit on
Fuck you and your irony, say something real at least. This is exactly what he's talking about for shits sake, you have no real criticism other than regurgitating phrases from the system you live in (Facebook, memeology, ironic self awareness, double dfw quote (one which is invented by lit))

More fun than you bud

I sure hope not. He's my favorite author!

You guys probably would be glad for any company at all though.

you forgot to call them virgins

why do you hate irony so much bro?

I think Veeky Forums has outgrown DFW. That, or it may just be that most of our newer posters were too young to read Infinite Jest when it first came out, and so it wasn't a formative experience in their lives.

Infinite Jest really seems to be the Harry Potter of a lot of Veeky Forumsizens. I haven't read it, but I get the sense that it had a profound impact on a lot of the people here that did.

hey it's mr POOP man
POOPY POOPY POOP

Notice how DFW never tries to broach any of these real issues and real problems.

It's always some lame "people need to THINK more about the WORLD AROUND THEM and BE MORE SINCERE and maybe we'd GET SOMEWHERE" Tony Robbins bullshit that can't actually be discussed.

I just dislike people who choose to use sarcasm in place of thinking, its made the entire world shit as far as I'm concerned. Just like how any major issue today is a race to make the most sardonic comment just to get people to think you're funny and likable. Trying to get people to like you by acting a certain way is fraudulent (sound familiar?), that's why it's hilarious that that guys (maybe you?) first response was about how hanging out with me must be terrible because im lame and should feel bad about it

I'm not him but the problem I have with Wallace and his fanboys is this regressive wish that we can go back to the good old days when people were sincere. it kind of says more about them and their own own discomfort with themselves, something Wallace struggled with that eventually ended up driving him to suicide.
I don't think Wallace understands irony or modern times. He seemed overwhelmed by a lot of things and I think he built a strawman which he called irony to attribute all his dissatisfaction with the world. white collar ennui, inability to tackle real issues whatever.
>His whole deal is that irony was co-opted by mass entertainment and was adopted by the culture to disavow real issues and real problems when it was originally used to rebel against dogmatism and propaganda.
it's not so simple or black and white. Irony does create problems for people when there is too much or too little of it but it is still used in protest. it's also used in advertising and all the things he complains about but that's just how things go.

Except it seems like you've never read him at all and have only watched the water speech, a speech intended for a wide and varied audience who may or may not want to get into rigorous philosophical debates while cooking in the sun after watching two hundred people walk across a stage

why don't you bring up examples of how he's wrong and quote some DFW going into depth about these problems if you've read him so much

why not prove him wrong instead of just assuming he hasn't read DFW because he doesn't like him as much as you?

He's a funny meme but he's just not that good

It's true, I haven't read everything he's written.

You win this round, dude. Great discussion.

honestly you're kind of proving his point. We're on a shitposting forum and you expect not to deal with banter or hear a joke every once and a while?

this inability to have a sense of humor is kind of typical among the white college aged fanboys of DFW
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I don't think anyone's gonna chomp on this bait, /pol/.

No, I regard him very highly and am stead-fast in my support of him both in person and on imageboards

This board is for the redpill now.

We are for white nationalism. NOT POSTMODERNISM. Pynchon and DFW out - Hitler in

We've always been bud this is a catholic board

His short fiction is completely different from the way he writes in IJ
both are brilliant though, in a sentimental way

Hitler and DFW both killed themselves. As such, both are failures.

>hitler is bad

spotted the numale cuck

let's settle this once and for all

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I wasn't gonna vote, but...

DFW is a great writer but infinite jest isn't his best work.

I can't speak for everybody, but I'm sick of reading people who hate themselves.

I agree, what do you like best? I think pale king would've been his best but oblivion actually is with a few from brief interviews. IJ is still a great book but is too bloated even for the excessive novel genre it comes from, it makes me wonder if people that imaginative are actually better when given constraints. I'm still thankful for the experience of reading it though even if as I learn more literature I understand its flaws, naivete, and arrogance because it really showed me what the form is capable of.

I like him as a person, and as a writer I think he's alright, better than most contemporary garbage, but not a literary giant by any stretch.

I have a pretty similar opinion actually. I believe that The Pale King has his best writing by far, but I can't really call it his best work since it's nowhere near complete. In terms of completed work I think various essays from Consider The Lobster and some of the short stories in Oblivion are his best

OP, I'm guessing This post didn't really turn out how you thought it would.

Nope

My ironic love for DFW is genuine.

WE WATER NOW

Yes, because apparently he was very down to earth and a good listener.
Sick burn

mr poop?
hello, this is for mr POOOP

Would hang out with

Would not hang out with

imagine hanging out with this guy in real life. go ahead I'll wait.

does it seem fun?

yeah he seems funny.

lmao nice

I would hang out with you in a heartbeat, user. In fact your post made me hungry for your cum! Girth and length?

I'd hang out with him just spite your faggot ass and discuss literature with him.

>this desperate attempt at damage control

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yeah two pseuds sucking each others dicks and crying about how mean people on the internet are, that'll show him

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>genuinely

Admit it, champ. You tried to make a shitty diss and got BTFO. Just stop posting.

Veeky Forums is not genuinely anything tbqh lad

Why are you such a raging homophobic cunt?

Just take the L.

>Plus a few voyeuristic scenes of depraved poor people in a rehab centre. Bum fights, in other words. Cleverish ones. Hobo torture porn for postgraduate smirkers.

This hits the nail on the head for those cringey chapters

Now that Veeky Forums doesn't like DFW anymore I will go and actually read some of his stuff and enjoy it

...and thus the cycle continues

How is this Veeky Forums related?

no, Infinite Jest is a very enjoyable book.

More fun than you. You just come across as insecure and a mega cunt to boot. Would probably kick your fat ass.

Nice try

you would try you little bitch. if you live on the east coast US pick a time and a place I will drive up to 5 hours to fight.

"""We""" are not "anti" or "pro" very many things at all

Which state are you in, cunt?

I'm in maine you punk bitch

I will personally fight every single person who is willing and able that replied to my post. I will drive up to five hours from my homestate of maine or you can buy me a roundtrip plane ticket. reply to me so we can start organizing your beatdown

if you're a woman I will fight a champion of your choice father brother son boyfriend whatever if you're a gay you can also pick a champion.

Maine? You ever seen a nigga before?

Meet me in this Wednesday at 10PM 44.4622989,-73.1146122

it's on you stringbean motherfucker. I hope you like liquid meals and morphine. You better tell the ambulance to be waiting around the corner and to bring a shovel to scrape your bony ass off the pavement.

>maine
haha you stephen king faggot
come down to fort lauderdale, florida, and I will smoke some flakka and then kick your maple tree ass

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make it roundtrip.

after the thirty seconds it takes for me to kick your ass I might get to make a vacation out of this shit.

I'll be waiting.

yeah you better be punk. get your fucking affairs settled.

as someone who has been to many a rehab in my day, i found all of those scenes to be very accurate.

>This is also why conviction doesn’t go down well with Generation Y – strong beliefs are taken as a sign of “flat” personality, since people always seem more complex and thoughtful when they’re weighing their options, stroking their chin and avoiding all commitment. Why else do you think Obama’s such a dreamboat?
Shots fired.

i lold. It seems fitting that this wallace debate turned into some weirdly sincere fight club

>I guess I can forgive religious people for it, since they’re doing it out of sheer terror, but I can’t forgive mopers who expect sympathy for expecting sympathy for expecting sympathy and expect me to care.

Yeah, all this ironic chest puffing is really amusing and humorous, due to its ironical and chest puffing nature, and also because of its risibility and comicality. I laughed a lot.

Look man, I was angry earlier. I'm not much of a fighter really. Let's call it a truce?

HE CAN'T THINK

HE CAN'T WRITE

I thought this was funny but I still want to fight you.

hell no pussy we rumbling now. it won't be that bad just be a fucking man.

I'm gonna be there this wednesday at 10 and if you're not there I'm gonna start knocking on doors and I will fight someone by the end of the night

you might think this is a joke but I am not fucking playing this is the most sincere is gets be there and don't make me look for you it won't be that bad.

time and place bruh

I'll fuck you up in a game of Super Smash Bros. Wii U

I'm not playing I already called out of work that night. I got the route plugged in my phone. be there

Yes, that user seems intelligent and knows to start a sentence with a capital letter, pleb. You should learn the same by the time you leave middle school.

Apollonian
Dionysian

Not so much the rehab scenes as the puerile, purposely anti-high-literature scenes of Tony shitting, bleeding, vomiting etc and Lenz graphically killing animals

Ever since reddit infiltrated, there's been a noticeable increase of people using terms like "pretentious" and "elitist" because (check for yourself) this is the go-to response to anything reddit can't understand. The recent backlash on difficult novels (Pynchon, Gaddis, Wallace, Barth, Joyce, etc.) is not a coincidence, there are more brainlets hanging out around here recently, go into any thread about Stephen King if you want proof. Just call them out, watch how they repeat the previously stated terms without ever coming up with a legitimate criticism, and it will become clear just how little the people here actually read.

Imagine hanging out with this guy in real life. go ahead I'll wait.

does it seem fun?

I don't go to people's houses to watch basketball and argue that LeBron James is a tryhard and Channing Frye is who we should really be paying attention to. This is a literature board, read more.

That poster wasn't me. I will be waiting.

is way more fun than

I hang around people like you everyday, and not by choice. I'd gladly hang out with the other guy, it would be a significant step up from who I'm normally around.

>Is Veeky Forums genuinely anti DFW now?

We had a few years of worshiping DFW as a postmodern Messiah. The majority of Veeky Forums really has no understanding of postmodernism, but now that Jordan Peterson has come along and essentially said postmodernists are synonymous with leftist SJWs, Veeky Forums has had no choice but to abandon poor old Dave.