"Scientific facts are social constructs."

MPmaster
MPmaster

Alt-Left
"Scientific facts are social constructs."

Alt-Right
"Facts don't care about your feelings."

Wow. You gotta admit there's some truth to this.

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All urls found in this thread:

thedarkenlightenment.com/the-dark-enlightenment-by-nick-land/
plato.stanford.edu/entries/structural-realism/
bloodyshovel.wordpress.com/2017/11/14/biological-leninism/
medscape.com/viewarticle/827713
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5010234/
youtube.com/watch?v=j4PTf7LgsIE

takes2long
takes2long

Does it really matter what the alt-* thinks about "facts" when they just make them up as they go along?

Playboyize
Playboyize

a counter to this

Alt-Right
doesn't believe in determinism
many believe in demons and wizards and shit
many are creationists
fabricate racial science when it suites them and ignores studies where it doesn't
climate change deniers
technologically illiterate, Alt-Tech failed miserably, biggest users still get more views on youtube
thinks race war and blindly supporting capitalism/feudalism whatever will magically fix all their problems

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

No /pol/, those social constructs you misinterpreted as real things aren't facts

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

Alt-Right
Creationism

The backbone of the movement is evolutionary biology/sociobiology.

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VisualMaster
VisualMaster

Ok tell me what "scientific facts" the alt-left denies. I fucking swear to god, OP, if it's just your autism unable to understand the definition of a concept (ie. thinking gender = biological sex, when the left clearly defines both to avoid confusion)

TechHater
TechHater

this thread
Fucking brainlets, I've reported all of you.

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

Democrat here. Have to admit this guy's right. If Hillary Diane Rodham Clinton had won, we'd be in outer space RIGHT NOW while all the rural and suburban retards would bitterly regret their bigotry.

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Nojokur
Nojokur

he thinks evolutionary biology or sociobiology offer explanations that are testable and verifiable and not also just heavily influenced by the sociopolitical influences of the time of the author of the paper.
He doesn't realize it's not bordering pseudoscience
BetaBrainBoy

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

the alt-left are people like zizek who think SJWism is a cancer, they're on the exact same wavelenght as /pol/

where do you think the concept of nazbol/national bolsheviekism comes from

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

It's obvious if you look at the genetics and the evolutionary science that God created white people to be evolutionarily superior and also these extremely cherrypicked statistics no I don't want to see yours.

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

pic related is a fair assessment of leftist academics misrepresenting science. there are plenty of people debunking right-wing creationists and climate change deniers too, but not a lot of criticism like this book.

spoiler: it was written by a left-winger. now read it and STFU

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MPmaster
MPmaster

babby's first philosophy of science

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Spamalot
Spamalot

Daily reminder that Zizek does not believe in dinosaurs.

takes2long
takes2long

The anti-science theses of (((Thomas Kuhn))) are still very influential in pop Phil Sci.

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

This might have merit if not for the direct observation of it on short time scales.

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

neither does most of /pol/

Firespawn
Firespawn

Alt-Right
"Facts are a fake news Jewish conspiracy."

FTFY

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

there are differences between people of different races
there are differences between men and women
chromosomes determine your gender

to name a few

eGremlin
eGremlin

To be fair, this is the "theoretical" basis of the Alt-Right
thedarkenlightenment.com/the-dark-enlightenment-by-nick-land/

And KMac's Culture of Critique, of course.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

1) true in some small aspects, but by that logic all people with blue eyes would be a race, or all people with brown hair. what the alt-right tries to imply that less than 10000 years of evolution has some impact on intelligence is so retarded its not even wrong.
2) yes but similar to 1) not in a way the alt right uses that fact
3) scientifically wrong, i wont even bother explaining this, just read up on the state of research regarding that (no, john "i suck alt right dick to get money" is no credible source in that field)

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

Why most SJWs are so ugly?

whereismyname
whereismyname

WTF? I appreciate the work of Hitler now

Soft_member
Soft_member

Nothing to lose from changing the status quo

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

Because people here who spend their time being angry at SJW's here don't pick good looking pictures to represent them.

Do you put this little thought into everything you say?

idontknow
idontknow

The nazis were also anti-science obscurantists.
Cultural marxists are not the only science haters.

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

why THE FUCK isn't there a Technocracy on this planet yet? I'm tired of the retardation of both lefties and righties

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

there are differences between people of different races
You are misrepresenting your opposition. Scientist just don't find races to be a useful distinction in biology. Geographical groupings is a much better, less general and more useful way to group people. Its funny that you bring this up in a thread about science denial.

there are differences between men and women
No one but the most extreme would deny this. What they are really against are claims that
certain social traits belong to the sex'es. As we have been progressing toward a more equal society we see that more and more of our normal gender roles disappear, so it would be a bit strange to just say that what we got now is how far we will ever get.

chromosomes determine your gender
You can define the word however you like, but it does seem a bit redundant to have two words for biological sex. When people are finding it more and more useful to use gender as referring to social and cultural differences rather than biological ones. The right will get very upset when you distinguish between the two though.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

Khun gave a really concrete, logical, and powerful ibterpretation, that your average continental SJW missread him is no reason to dismiss a giid interpretation.

Snarelure
Snarelure

SJW-Left:
science is a social construct
blame white males
praise arts, hate STEM
feminists &/or communists
Simone de Beauvoir & Karl Marx

alt-right:
science is a conspiracy /hoax
blame jews
praise religion, hate STEM
natsocs &/or libertarians
Adolf Hitler & Jesus Christ

Both hate science & both are wrong

Emberburn
Emberburn

Hillary would have us all living in space colonies by now. Fuck drumpft.

Emberfire
Emberfire

*tips radical centrora*

Evilember
Evilember

Highly theoretical considering your average alt-righter would not get past the first paragraph.

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

pop Phil Sci

stop

RavySnake
RavySnake

Science should be NEUTRAL.

Equations of math & physics don't have ideology.

1+1=2 everywhere in Universe.

Evolution is real & there are only 2 biological genders.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

I would say the US is a technocracy since Henry Ford started making cars and corporations have held defacto control over the US government policy. Also said government is staff primarily with technocratic bureaucrats.

Corpratism is basically Technocracy, except the technocrats are represented by businessmen.

I think the ideological left vs right shit is just political masturbation. All any side cares about is money and technology is the key to creation of wealth.

RumChicken
RumChicken

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StonedTime
StonedTime

1+1=2 everywhere in Universe.
Except it doesn't.

DeathDog
DeathDog

You will find some good critiques of Kuhn in David Stove's Anything Goes: Origins of the Cult of Scientific Irrationalism and Tim Maudlin's Kuhn defanged: incommensurability and theory choice.

Anyway, his incommensurability thesis is false.
See: plato.stanford.edu/entries/structural-realism/

FastChef
FastChef

Most Antifa SJWs also would not get past the first paragraphs of Sartre, Adorno or Habermas.

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

radical centrist
faces towards the rightwinger and back towards the leftwinger
this is proof that if you're a "centrist" you're just a tacit fascist supporter. fucking racists

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

I would say that your argument is true for the Space Race USA where a culture of aggressive scientific expansion is present along with a willingness by the population to have their taxes spent for that, but far from the truth for the modern one, especially with its recent 180 from science thanks to based trump. And I don't think that the government is technocratic bureaucrats, at least not to the extent of the EU or especially China. If we consider the senate as a part of the government, it's even far from that

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

Really? So show me a proof.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

nu-Veeky Forums (/pol/) will deny this.

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

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Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

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Bidwell
Bidwell

2 biological genders
SJW's typically agree with there being 2 sex'es (With rare exceptions to this). The common disagreement however comes from the belief that social and cultural genders traits exist on a spectrum. And that these traits is what should determine what you should call someone.
This isn't science denial or that radical of an idea since we usually already do this(typically we don't know what genitals or chromosomes someone has when we talk to them.) Don't straw-man so hard man.

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

also it's interesting to consider other historical cultures with different gender norms/roles to our well known, "standard" western ones

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

I don't know when it's a real sjw or a satire anymore.

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StonedTime
StonedTime

Other historical cultures also pulled people's hearts out while they were still alive. Maybe we shouldn't look to ancient foreigners for how to run OUR society.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

lmao triggered poltard

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

There's no perfect interpretation obviously, and I don't personaly belive in Khubs view, but he has been massively fucked by retards who take everythibg out of context and extrapolate without reason.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

I agree with you on that.

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

Try to engage with the arguments instead of doing this obvious fallacious shit.

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

t. Aztec who misses pulling people's hearts out

Nojokur
Nojokur

Best answer so far: bloodyshovel.wordpress.com/2017/11/14/biological-leninism/

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

Alt-right
Anything I agree with is fact.
Left
Science doesn't care if you believe.

King_Martha
King_Martha

no, that's the radfems/terfs.
Third wave feminists/SJW's say that trans women are LITERALLY female women and trans men are LITERALLY male men.

viagrandad
viagrandad

Alt-Right: Anything I agree with is fact
Scientists: There are more than two genders and race is not based on IQ
Alt-Right: FUCKING SCIENTISTS HAVE BEEN BOUGHT OUT BY THE JOOZ!!!

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askme
askme

Lrn2base-two pleb
1 + 1 = 10

idontknow
idontknow

the far alt-right went to the moon
LOL
ur fucked

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

I'm pretty sure they don't believe that transwomen are capable of getting pregnant or having periods.

Techpill
Techpill

They just say "some females can't get pregnant. Are women who've had cervical cancer who can't get pregnant not real female women??".
They truly believe that trans women are ACTUAL female women and vice-versa.

Methshot
Methshot

I'm sorry, but you are not going to convince me a significant portion of SJW's belive trans women are biologically female. I think you are misunderstanding their position based on what is ment when referring to a woman or a man. If it's gender or sex they are talking about.

When trans people and Terfs are fighting over them being women or males, they are fighting over genders. Terfs will say that you can't be called a Female unless you are one biologically(Bleed, give birth, etc.) while people who oppose them will say that social genders are fluid and calling a trans person what they prefer is alright.

Emberfire
Emberfire

again - that's basically arguing semantics and what constitutes a "female" for each group

Firespawn
Firespawn

You are totally misunderstanding the argument. They are saying that the possibility of getting pregnant or menstruation isn't necessary to be called a female since not all biological females do. So if someone has other female traits then that should be enough.

RumChicken
RumChicken

looks at africa
looks at detroit
"race is not based on IQ" <looks at retarded statement
looks at nobel prize jew%

more than 2 genders ? are you a hermaphie fucktard?

you just crucified yourself
obviously races do have IQ differences
there are only 2 genders

jews do have too much control

fuck off moron, if that's alt right they are right

alt right /tea party was stop gov overspending stop corruption

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

i went to /pol/ and now i'm an expert on politics

FastChef
FastChef

looks at the deep south
looks at spain, portugal, eastern european countries
woah I guess whites are subhumans

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

Spain, portugal
white

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

But they make that argument for every trait. The only thing that matters to lefties is self-identification.

Nojokur
Nojokur

Look how many blacks there are in the deep south.

Supergrass
Supergrass

hey, where'd the goalposts go?

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

races aren't a social constru-

Booteefool
Booteefool

Sick strawman senpai.

farquit
farquit

Race is a Biological construct
Racialism (Racism) is a Social construct

cum2soon
cum2soon

They say they are biologically female I'm not misrepresenting them.
A female is the ovum producing sex, that's how the TERFs and biology define it.
No I'm not misunderstanding them, these are the things they say.

massdebater
massdebater

SJW belive genders are socially constructed, so yes, if someone self identifies as a female they think they should be granted that, disregarding their biology or what typical female traits they are missing. Some women who are biological female look more male than some trans women anyway, I really don't see the big problem. Especially with how following strictly biological genders isn't doing anything to help tarns people's gender dysphoria.

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

To add, there are no other 'female' traits than having female genitalia and producing ovum.
Long hair, being shorter than males on average, acting 'feminine' are NOT female traits, they are social constructs, other than shortness, but secondary sex characteristics are not defining aspects of a sex. We could easily make it that females are larger than males in our species (as is the case in the vast majority of animal species on the planet) but the females would still be just as female and males just as male.
The problem with the trans people is that they are actually solidifying gender roles. There is no such thing as a 'woman' other than being an adult human female, and there is no such thing as a man other than being an adult human male. It's not about feelings or identity or behavior characteristics.

Methnerd
Methnerd

A large advantage of science is to help all people the believe the truth of things in the community so proper decisions can be made for all, advancements for all etc.

When in /sci one throws in the towel and claims someone's delusion should be coddled ... we wind up with quantum improbability or 52 genders

Emberburn
Emberburn

Especially with how following strictly biological genders isn't doing anything to help tarns people's gender dysphoria.
Their suicide rates are similar both pre-op and post-op.

Gender is a social construct
you can be born the wrong gender

Flameblow
Flameblow

No I'm not misunderstanding them, these are the things they say.
I agree with you that these are the things they say. But I'm saying you don't understand the meaning of it when they say this. You have not understood the argument they are making when they bring up stuff like "not all women bleed".

They are saying is that certain biological facts are not intrinsic to being a female because some females don't have it. Therefore saying "you are not female because you dont bleed" is a bad argument.

As an example; Not all cars have headlights even though its very typical. But you would never make the argument saying a car without headlights is not a car. This is because headlights is not what makes a car a car.

Its not s discussion about biology, its what it takes to be a gender, if biologi is part of that or not.

I hope this helps.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

see I know what they're saying, they play the semantics game to justify their ideology.
In the end it doesn't matter: the female is the ovum producing sex, and the male is the sperm producing sex.

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

Yeah, omg can these racists plz go be NAZIS somewhere else

White people don't deserve to defend themselves or their societies amirite cause that would be raycis

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

Gender dysphoria is very well established in physiological literature and we know very well what works and what doesn't work to treat it. Calling it a delusion is denying everything we know about it. Its basically telling depressed people to just feel better. It doesn't work that way.

In the end it doesn't matter: the female is the ovum producing sex, and the male is the sperm producing sex.
You are presupposing that we should use gender pronouns to refer to genitals and chromosomes. But this isn't something we even do today. If you see enough convincing female traits on someone you will call her a female even if she really has a penis. Because you have no way of knowing that. You wouldn't have the balls to call someone female looking in a dress "he" just because you for a second thought you saw a bulge or an adams apple. This are established social norms.

Lunatick
Lunatick

Alt-Right
"Facts I don't like a a Jewish conspiracy"

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

implying there isn't a Jewish conspiracy

I get that some of these yards are science deniers but its more or leas obvious at this point that Jews are quietly acting in unison and undermining white interests.

girlDog
girlDog

Tards***

cum2soon
cum2soon

10 brains cells shy of a dozen

hairygrape
hairygrape

As we have been progressing toward a more equal society we see that more and more of our normal gender roles disappear
source on that. last time i checked sweden, one of the most liberal societies, saw an increase in traditional gender roles, especially in job distribution and family roles.

Methnerd
Methnerd

medscape.com/viewarticle/827713
Depression rates drop by 90% in here

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5010234/
QOL assessments show improvement here

They still have higher depression and suicide rates than the GENERAL population, suggesting hormone therapy is not sufficient in all patients, but the drop suggests it's pretty efficacious

Gender is a social construct
This relates to sociology's distinction between the words "sex" and "gender"
Whether you want to draw those distinctions in your use of the words is irrelevant, but by "gender" they tend to refer to social and identity aspects of i.e. women vs men. The question isn't whether XX or XY chromosomes exist or predispose phenotypic make-ups, which is obvious-it's whether helping change that phenotypic make-up on people who self-report as wanting to be another type thereof makes for better outcomes.

TreeEater
TreeEater

so Sex means only male or female?

Then gender is only the Gender Identity and Role?

Can someone please explain to me how there are more than 2 genders (scientifically), or where I can find the answers?

WebTool
WebTool

or where I can find the answers?
In this thread

eGremlin
eGremlin

nothing in that post is wrong

JunkTop
JunkTop

sperging out over the direction he's facing
thinking the orientation of his face has any meaning

youtube.com/watch?v=j4PTf7LgsIE

Nojokur
Nojokur

finding answers
on a Veeky Forums board...

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Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

Society is a biological construct.

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

politics
politics
/pol/
Leave this board.

MPmaster
MPmaster

Is it?

Spamalot
Spamalot

The guys who think soy can turn you gay and make you liberal are right

There are alt right fuckolds who think lead poisoning is harmless and won't cause brain damage. I've even heard one say lead paint and gasoline was only attacked because "they" needed to excuse black criminals and retards

happy_sad
happy_sad

Yes. Humans are biological systems.

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

"Scientific facts are social constructs."
Big brains believe this actually. Not the left nor right. Nice try lil' baby brain.

Bidwell
Bidwell

Nobody denies the impact of lead paint. The problem is that it is used to explain the low-IQ of blacks as if whites and asians were not also exposed.

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

No philosopher of science or metaphysicist would say that. Only leftist retards.

Flameblow
Flameblow

Its a pretty mainstream view from my understanding. It comes down to different systems of logic I belive. How we prefer causality over other things. But in theory you could construct different methods than science for other value systems.

I really don't know any philosophy well enough to properly make the argument, I'm probably butchering it.

I'm that user btw. He could be referring to something else.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

I'm NOT that user btw*

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

sex'es
are you just completely brain dead or what

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

implying all of political thought can be defined through a left-right spectrum
brainlets, brainlets everywhere

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

Nobody denies the impact of lead paint.
Steve Sailer does and there's a ton of others who say neurotoxins are a meme

Also you're assuming blacks absorb lead at similar rates when compared to whites. Blacks will accumulate more lead in their bodies than whites at similar levels.

Booteefool
Booteefool

big brains believe it
therefore it must be true
Think for yourself sometime

Soft_member
Soft_member

someone who thinks differently than me must be a mindless sheep.
Lil betaBrain making excuses

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

Take political discussions to /pol/.

Snarelure
Snarelure

Wow, I'm sorry.
There are probably plenty more mistakes all over Veeky Forums that you can point out. Everyone appreciates it.

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

ender dysphoria is very well established in physiologica
PSYCHOLOGICAL...
till you jackass anti /sci banned reality and the truth

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

they are actually solidifying gender roles.
ROLES
It's not about ... behavior characteristics.
------------------------------
directly contradicts "it" self in same sentence

are an it are you not ?

Illusionz
Illusionz

It doesn't matter if I'm wrong. People should be able to decipher my broken English so I don't have to put in the effort to think.

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Spazyfool
Spazyfool

Don't forget the following:
Demands an end to peer review.
Compares funding for scientific pursuit to welfare.

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

Big brains believe this actually
LOL
oh boy
facts are not facts again...
modern sci lies posited as fact for tax money grubbing and ad hits msm = the current social constructs

So big brains are lying too (pc conformance money performance), or your lying to skid by on the fraud mentioned

Booteefool
Booteefool

The problem is that it is used to explain the low-IQ of blacks as if whites and asians were not also exposed.
Theu werent, not at comparable rates in america. Alos, ive litterally never seen a single person try to use lead paint exposure as an "excuse" for black people.

takes2long
takes2long

Why does this thread exist? Did the election never end or am I missing something here? This is just another blatant pro-right post trying to claim their view is objectively correct vs the left within the context of Veeky Forums.

You are not objective about anything you say. You or the far left. You are a right wing memespouting idiot that is trying to get their opinions validated by what is considered a community of objective reason. Let this be a daily reminder that /pol/ has coordinated efforts to try to “red pill” Veeky Forums during the election season. Looks like that shit never got old.

Bidwell
Bidwell

2 biological genders
This is definitionally wrong.
Biological gender is a misuse of terms, sex refers to biology, gender refers to our thoughts and attitudes surrounding the typical roles men and women (the biological sexes)

You dont know how to communicate clearly.

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

rural and suburban retards would bitterly regret their bigotry.

Look up the state where the fucking rockets that ARE going to Mars are made.

I'll give you a hint: Its a state that voted for Trump

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BinaryMan
BinaryMan

Also you're assuming blacks absorb lead at similar rates when compared to whites. Blacks will accumulate more lead in their bodies than whites at similar levels.

Now races are not social constructs. Very convenient.

FastChef
FastChef

Oh God this thread is still going...

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

*now

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

Biological gender is a misuse of terms, sex refers to biology, gender refers to our thoughts and attitudes

Thoughts and attitudes are biological processes.

Lunatick
Lunatick

Now races are not social constructs. Very convenient.

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viagrandad
viagrandad

It's funny how SJWs invent all sort of stories to justify the negro dumb behavior.

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

Evolution is real
is theory, and unproven

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

Are you a liberal creationist (aka race denier) or an old school creationist?

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

If just one kind wasn't bad enough now we have the right-wing and left-wing versions of creationism.

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