>Alt-Left
"Scientific facts are social constructs."
>Alt-Right
"Facts don't care about your feelings."
Wow. You gotta admit there's some truth to this.
Alt-Left
Jaxson Moore
Other urls found in this thread:
thedarkenlightenment.com
plato.stanford.edu
bloodyshovel.wordpress.com
medscape.com
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
youtube.com
twitter.com
Lincoln Clark
Does it really matter what the alt-* thinks about "facts" when they just make them up as they go along?
Gabriel Barnes
a counter to this
>Alt-Right
>doesn't believe in determinism
>many believe in demons and wizards and shit
>many are creationists
>fabricate racial science when it suites them and ignores studies where it doesn't
>climate change deniers
>technologically illiterate, Alt-Tech failed miserably, biggest users still get more views on youtube
>thinks race war and blindly supporting capitalism/feudalism whatever will magically fix all their problems
Josiah Martinez
No /pol/, those social constructs you misinterpreted as real things aren't facts
Jaxon Gutierrez
>Alt-Right
>Creationism
The backbone of the movement is evolutionary biology/sociobiology.
Leo Smith
Ok tell me what "scientific facts" the alt-left denies. I fucking swear to god, OP, if it's just your autism unable to understand the definition of a concept (ie. thinking gender = biological sex, when the left clearly defines both to avoid confusion)
Benjamin Richardson
>this thread
Fucking brainlets, I've reported all of you.
Logan Davis
Democrat here. Have to admit this guy's right. If Hillary Diane Rodham Clinton had won, we'd be in outer space RIGHT NOW while all the rural and suburban retards would bitterly regret their bigotry.
Parker Anderson
>he thinks evolutionary biology or sociobiology offer explanations that are testable and verifiable and not also just heavily influenced by the sociopolitical influences of the time of the author of the paper.
>He doesn't realize it's not bordering pseudoscience
BetaBrainBoy
Sebastian Taylor
the alt-left are people like zizek who think SJWism is a cancer, they're on the exact same wavelenght as /pol/
where do you think the concept of nazbol/national bolsheviekism comes from
Samuel Ortiz
It's obvious if you look at the genetics and the evolutionary science that God created white people to be evolutionarily superior and also these extremely cherrypicked statistics no I don't want to see yours.
Lincoln Nguyen
pic related is a fair assessment of leftist academics misrepresenting science. there are plenty of people debunking right-wing creationists and climate change deniers too, but not a lot of criticism like this book.
spoiler: it was written by a left-winger. now read it and STFU
Jacob Johnson
>babby's first philosophy of science
Charles Hughes
Daily reminder that Zizek does not believe in dinosaurs.
Austin Allen
The anti-science theses of (((Thomas Kuhn))) are still very influential in pop Phil Sci.
Dominic Jenkins
This might have merit if not for the direct observation of it on short time scales.
Matthew Turner
neither does most of /pol/
Aiden Anderson
>Alt-Right
"Facts are a fake news Jewish conspiracy."
FTFY
Isaac Morales
there are differences between people of different races
there are differences between men and women
chromosomes determine your gender
to name a few
Tyler Murphy
To be fair, this is the "theoretical" basis of the Alt-Right
thedarkenlightenment.com
And KMac's Culture of Critique, of course.
Lincoln Hall
1) true in some small aspects, but by that logic all people with blue eyes would be a race, or all people with brown hair. what the alt-right tries to imply that less than 10000 years of evolution has some impact on intelligence is so retarded its not even wrong.
2) yes but similar to 1) not in a way the alt right uses that fact
3) scientifically wrong, i wont even bother explaining this, just read up on the state of research regarding that (no, john "i suck alt right dick to get money" is no credible source in that field)
Hudson Gomez
Why most SJWs are so ugly?
Levi Brown
WTF? I appreciate the work of Hitler now
Grayson Peterson
Nothing to lose from changing the status quo
Hudson Murphy
Because people here who spend their time being angry at SJW's here don't pick good looking pictures to represent them.
Do you put this little thought into everything you say?
Samuel Fisher
The nazis were also anti-science obscurantists.
Cultural marxists are not the only science haters.
Angel Harris
why THE FUCK isn't there a Technocracy on this planet yet? I'm tired of the retardation of both lefties and righties
Caleb Ortiz
>there are differences between people of different races
You are misrepresenting your opposition. Scientist just don't find races to be a useful distinction in biology. Geographical groupings is a much better, less general and more useful way to group people. Its funny that you bring this up in a thread about science denial.
>there are differences between men and women
No one but the most extreme would deny this. What they are really against are claims that
certain social traits belong to the sex'es. As we have been progressing toward a more equal society we see that more and more of our normal gender roles disappear, so it would be a bit strange to just say that what we got now is how far we will ever get.
>chromosomes determine your gender
You can define the word however you like, but it does seem a bit redundant to have two words for biological sex. When people are finding it more and more useful to use gender as referring to social and cultural differences rather than biological ones. The right will get very upset when you distinguish between the two though.
Evan Harris
Khun gave a really concrete, logical, and powerful ibterpretation, that your average continental SJW missread him is no reason to dismiss a giid interpretation.
Jaxon Nelson
SJW-Left:
science is a social construct
blame white males
praise arts, hate STEM
feminists &/or communists
Simone de Beauvoir & Karl Marx
alt-right:
science is a conspiracy /hoax
blame jews
praise religion, hate STEM
natsocs &/or libertarians
Adolf Hitler & Jesus Christ
Both hate science & both are wrong
Parker Reyes
Hillary would have us all living in space colonies by now. Fuck drumpft.
Chase Smith
>*tips radical centrora*
Oliver Morris
Highly theoretical considering your average alt-righter would not get past the first paragraph.
Samuel Allen
>pop Phil Sci
stop
Jayden Nguyen
Science should be NEUTRAL.
Equations of math & physics don't have ideology.
1+1=2 everywhere in Universe.
Evolution is real & there are only 2 biological genders.
Caleb Nelson
I would say the US is a technocracy since Henry Ford started making cars and corporations have held defacto control over the US government policy. Also said government is staff primarily with technocratic bureaucrats.
Corpratism is basically Technocracy, except the technocrats are represented by businessmen.
I think the ideological left vs right shit is just political masturbation. All any side cares about is money and technology is the key to creation of wealth.
Michael Collins
Noah Johnson
>1+1=2 everywhere in Universe.
Except it doesn't.
Jacob Williams
You will find some good critiques of Kuhn in David Stove's Anything Goes: Origins of the Cult of Scientific Irrationalism and Tim Maudlin's Kuhn defanged: incommensurability and theory choice.
Anyway, his incommensurability thesis is false.
See: plato.stanford.edu
Hunter Scott
Most Antifa SJWs also would not get past the first paragraphs of Sartre, Adorno or Habermas.
Isaac Gonzalez
>radical centrist
>faces towards the rightwinger and back towards the leftwinger
this is proof that if you're a "centrist" you're just a tacit fascist supporter. fucking racists
Brandon Miller
I would say that your argument is true for the Space Race USA where a culture of aggressive scientific expansion is present along with a willingness by the population to have their taxes spent for that, but far from the truth for the modern one, especially with its recent 180 from science thanks to based trump. And I don't think that the government is technocratic bureaucrats, at least not to the extent of the EU or especially China. If we consider the senate as a part of the government, it's even far from that
Wyatt Johnson
Really? So show me a proof.
Jack Morales
nu-Veeky Forums (/pol/) will deny this.
Jeremiah Gonzalez
Jonathan Turner
Jaxon White
>2 biological genders
SJW's typically agree with there being 2 sex'es (With rare exceptions to this). The common disagreement however comes from the belief that social and cultural genders traits exist on a spectrum. And that these traits is what should determine what you should call someone.
This isn't science denial or that radical of an idea since we usually already do this(typically we don't know what genitals or chromosomes someone has when we talk to them.) Don't straw-man so hard man.
Evan Thompson
also it's interesting to consider other historical cultures with different gender norms/roles to our well known, "standard" western ones
Mason Gonzalez
I don't know when it's a real sjw or a satire anymore.
Brody Ortiz
Other historical cultures also pulled people's hearts out while they were still alive. Maybe we shouldn't look to ancient foreigners for how to run OUR society.
Bentley Fisher
lmao triggered poltard
Jace Collins
There's no perfect interpretation obviously, and I don't personaly belive in Khubs view, but he has been massively fucked by retards who take everythibg out of context and extrapolate without reason.
Landon King
I agree with you on that.
Nicholas Cook
Try to engage with the arguments instead of doing this obvious fallacious shit.
Lincoln King
t. Aztec who misses pulling people's hearts out
Gabriel Reed
Best answer so far: bloodyshovel.wordpress.com
Aaron Hall
>Alt-right
Anything I agree with is fact.
>Left
Science doesn't care if you believe.
Josiah Allen
no, that's the radfems/terfs.
Third wave feminists/SJW's say that trans women are LITERALLY female women and trans men are LITERALLY male men.
Kevin Moore
>Alt-Right: Anything I agree with is fact
>Scientists: There are more than two genders and race is not based on IQ
>Alt-Right: FUCKING SCIENTISTS HAVE BEEN BOUGHT OUT BY THE JOOZ!!!
Jose Flores
Lrn2base-two pleb
1 + 1 = 10
Connor Nelson
the far alt-right went to the moon
LOL
ur fucked
Jonathan Wood
I'm pretty sure they don't believe that transwomen are capable of getting pregnant or having periods.
Camden Brooks
They just say "some females can't get pregnant. Are women who've had cervical cancer who can't get pregnant not real female women??".
They truly believe that trans women are ACTUAL female women and vice-versa.
Logan Wright
I'm sorry, but you are not going to convince me a significant portion of SJW's belive trans women are biologically female. I think you are misunderstanding their position based on what is ment when referring to a woman or a man. If it's gender or sex they are talking about.
When trans people and Terfs are fighting over them being women or males, they are fighting over genders. Terfs will say that you can't be called a Female unless you are one biologically(Bleed, give birth, etc.) while people who oppose them will say that social genders are fluid and calling a trans person what they prefer is alright.
Aaron Smith
again - that's basically arguing semantics and what constitutes a "female" for each group
Aiden Myers
You are totally misunderstanding the argument. They are saying that the possibility of getting pregnant or menstruation isn't necessary to be called a female since not all biological females do. So if someone has other female traits then that should be enough.
Josiah Richardson
>looks at africa
>looks at detroit
"race is not based on IQ" looks at nobel prize jew%
more than 2 genders ? are you a hermaphie fucktard?
you just crucified yourself
obviously races do have IQ differences
there are only 2 genders
jews do have too much control
fuck off moron, if that's alt right they are right
alt right /tea party was stop gov overspending stop corruption
Adam Lewis
>i went to /pol/ and now i'm an expert on politics
Luis Hill
>looks at the deep south
>looks at spain, portugal, eastern european countries
woah I guess whites are subhumans
Aiden Williams
>Spain, portugal
>white
Samuel Price
But they make that argument for every trait. The only thing that matters to lefties is self-identification.
Landon Brown
Look how many blacks there are in the deep south.
Jeremiah Cox
hey, where'd the goalposts go?
Aiden Baker
>races aren't a social constru-
James Brown
Sick strawman senpai.
Jose Wilson
>Race is a Biological construct
>Racialism (Racism) is a Social construct
John Rivera
They say they are biologically female I'm not misrepresenting them.
A female is the ovum producing sex, that's how the TERFs and biology define it.
No I'm not misunderstanding them, these are the things they say.
Elijah Reed
SJW belive genders are socially constructed, so yes, if someone self identifies as a female they think they should be granted that, disregarding their biology or what typical female traits they are missing. Some women who are biological female look more male than some trans women anyway, I really don't see the big problem. Especially with how following strictly biological genders isn't doing anything to help tarns people's gender dysphoria.
Matthew Price
To add, there are no other 'female' traits than having female genitalia and producing ovum.
Long hair, being shorter than males on average, acting 'feminine' are NOT female traits, they are social constructs, other than shortness, but secondary sex characteristics are not defining aspects of a sex. We could easily make it that females are larger than males in our species (as is the case in the vast majority of animal species on the planet) but the females would still be just as female and males just as male.
The problem with the trans people is that they are actually solidifying gender roles. There is no such thing as a 'woman' other than being an adult human female, and there is no such thing as a man other than being an adult human male. It's not about feelings or identity or behavior characteristics.
Landon Young
A large advantage of science is to help all people the believe the truth of things in the community so proper decisions can be made for all, advancements for all etc.
When in /sci one throws in the towel and claims someone's delusion should be coddled ... we wind up with quantum improbability or 52 genders
Aaron Sanchez
>Especially with how following strictly biological genders isn't doing anything to help tarns people's gender dysphoria.
Their suicide rates are similar both pre-op and post-op.
>Gender is a social construct
>you can be born the wrong gender
Luis Bell
>No I'm not misunderstanding them, these are the things they say.
I agree with you that these are the things they say. But I'm saying you don't understand the meaning of it when they say this. You have not understood the argument they are making when they bring up stuff like "not all women bleed".
They are saying is that certain biological facts are not intrinsic to being a female because some females don't have it. Therefore saying "you are not female because you dont bleed" is a bad argument.
As an example; Not all cars have headlights even though its very typical. But you would never make the argument saying a car without headlights is not a car. This is because headlights is not what makes a car a car.
Its not s discussion about biology, its what it takes to be a gender, if biologi is part of that or not.
I hope this helps.
Carson Hill
see I know what they're saying, they play the semantics game to justify their ideology.
In the end it doesn't matter: the female is the ovum producing sex, and the male is the sperm producing sex.
Oliver Lewis
Yeah, omg can these racists plz go be NAZIS somewhere else
White people don't deserve to defend themselves or their societies amirite cause that would be raycis
Gabriel Morgan
Gender dysphoria is very well established in physiological literature and we know very well what works and what doesn't work to treat it. Calling it a delusion is denying everything we know about it. Its basically telling depressed people to just feel better. It doesn't work that way.
>In the end it doesn't matter: the female is the ovum producing sex, and the male is the sperm producing sex.
You are presupposing that we should use gender pronouns to refer to genitals and chromosomes. But this isn't something we even do today. If you see enough convincing female traits on someone you will call her a female even if she really has a penis. Because you have no way of knowing that. You wouldn't have the balls to call someone female looking in a dress "he" just because you for a second thought you saw a bulge or an adams apple. This are established social norms.
Camden Edwards
>Alt-Right
"Facts I don't like a a Jewish conspiracy"
Landon Walker
>implying there isn't a Jewish conspiracy
I get that some of these yards are science deniers but its more or leas obvious at this point that Jews are quietly acting in unison and undermining white interests.
Leo Williams
Tards***
Ethan Perry
10 brains cells shy of a dozen
Angel Wood
>As we have been progressing toward a more equal society we see that more and more of our normal gender roles disappear
source on that. last time i checked sweden, one of the most liberal societies, saw an increase in traditional gender roles, especially in job distribution and family roles.
Lucas Sanchez
medscape.com
Depression rates drop by 90% in here
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
QOL assessments show improvement here
They still have higher depression and suicide rates than the GENERAL population, suggesting hormone therapy is not sufficient in all patients, but the drop suggests it's pretty efficacious
>Gender is a social construct
This relates to sociology's distinction between the words "sex" and "gender"
Whether you want to draw those distinctions in your use of the words is irrelevant, but by "gender" they tend to refer to social and identity aspects of i.e. women vs men. The question isn't whether XX or XY chromosomes exist or predispose phenotypic make-ups, which is obvious-it's whether helping change that phenotypic make-up on people who self-report as wanting to be another type thereof makes for better outcomes.
Jacob Butler
>so Sex means only male or female?
>Then gender is only the Gender Identity and Role?
Can someone please explain to me how there are more than 2 genders (scientifically), or where I can find the answers?
Nathaniel Turner
>or where I can find the answers?
In this thread
Wyatt Hall
nothing in that post is wrong
Brayden Morales
>sperging out over the direction he's facing
>thinking the orientation of his face has any meaning
Wyatt Miller
>finding answers
>on a Veeky Forums board...
Joseph Cooper
Society is a biological construct.
Adrian Morris
>politics
>politics
Leave this board.
James Allen
Is it?
Anthony Murphy
>The guys who think soy can turn you gay and make you liberal are right
There are alt right fuckolds who think lead poisoning is harmless and won't cause brain damage. I've even heard one say lead paint and gasoline was only attacked because "they" needed to excuse black criminals and retards