Lol, nerds BTFO again

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

We're gonna program away your Uber driving jo-
lol, nerds BTFO again. Self-driving cars will never happen and I will make money driving Uber for the rest of my life.
Meanwhile you programmer geniuses can look forward to getting replaced by cheaper labor from India. Funny how that all worked out.
wsj.com/articles/uber-suspends-driverless-car-program-after-pedestrian-is-struck-and-killed-1521480386

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alllaw.com/articles/nolo/auto-accident/pedestrian-fault-car-accident.html
youtu.be/hthyTh_fopo
fortune.com/2018/01/23/uber-first-chief-diversity-officer/
youtube.com/watch?v=FmXLqImT1wE
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Emberfire
Emberfire

There was a human safety monitor behind the wheel and not even that person caught her in time to stop the car. She probably would have been hit even if the car wasn't self driving.

Bidwell
Bidwell

Self-driving cars don't need to be perfect, they just need to achieve a better safety record than humans.

eGremlin
eGremlin

Wrong. When a person gets in an accident it's just his problem. When a self-driving car gets in an accident it's the entire industry's problem.

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

Some people, especially low IQ roastie pedestrians, need to die as collateral for technology to improve.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

Drivers are often not at fault when pedestrians are struck so I'm not going to rush to judgment on this

Nojokur
Nojokur

I'm okay with this.

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

this is not true. as the driver you carry the full responsibility. a 3 year old kid could suddenly jump on the road and it would be up to you to brake. if the computer cant do that, it's out.

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

She probably would have been hit even if the car wasn't self driving.
Brainlets don't get it

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

IT'S OVER.

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

as the driver you carry the full responsibility
false
alllaw.com/articles/nolo/auto-accident/pedestrian-fault-car-accident.html
you should be ashamed of yourself. you have access to the most advanced information retrieval system and you're still posting bullshit. just fucking stop.

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girlDog
girlDog

it's not if it's when.

cum2soon
cum2soon

that's not what I learnt in driving school. sorry. maybe it's because the laws in my cunt are different that yours.
a car has a built-in operating risk to the disadvantage of the driver. if you are not prepared to brake constantly, and if you can't brake in this situation, it is your fault.

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TurtleCat
TurtleCat

Well, that's historically been the only way for unproven technologies to be developed to their full potential. When the British were just beginning to industrialize, they didn't spontaneously delay the industrial revolution every time someone died in a coal mine or factory.

FastChef
FastChef

The Uber cars have a record of running red lights and other violations. The human "safety monitors" are clearly incapable of doing their fucking job.

King_Martha
King_Martha

There isn't anybody in the world who could brake in time in the situation in that picture. He's too close and your reaction time is nonzero. If you are not already braking in that picture because you saw the kid coming, it's too late.

Emberburn
Emberburn

All that autism

that's not what I learnt in driving school.
They tell you this so you'll take extra precautions to avoid accidents in the first place, because there are brainlets who would just drive carelessly, figuring they can just blame whoever they hit. It's not the reality.

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

I will make money driving Uber for the rest of my life.
lel you dont. stop lying to yourself. at best you break even

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

and there have been 10 other deadly crashes caused by non driverless cars. that makes the driverless car still safer.

if overnight all cars would be replaced by driverless cars, which are able to communicate traffic situations and their own position wirelessly with each other, you would not even traffic lights anymore. pedestrians have to get away from the roads ffs. we would see a 95% decrease in accidents and deaths. the rest are within technical difficulties, you can always have a freak brake failure or steering servo failure

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

I could. I drive VERY carefully.

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

This thread is cancer

happy_sad
happy_sad

That kid deserves to die.

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

we would see a 95% decrease in accidents and deaths.
And a 10 000% spike in remote sabotage of vehicles resulting in deaths of prominent industry leaders and politicians.

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

you will never have kids.

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

There isn't anybody in the world who could brake in time in the situation in that picture. He's too close and your reaction time is nonzero. If you are not already braking in that picture because you saw the kid coming, it's too late.

Sure you could - if you're driving 10 mph, as you should be doing if you're going through a zone with blind angles and kids playing.

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

This minus the /pol/ rhetoric. For innovation to take place, a certain percentage of people will have to for it with their suffering.

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

Uber's Advanced Technologies Group was trying to hire me last month
didn't end up working there
Really dodged a bullet on that one.

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whereismyname
whereismyname

if you're driving 10 mph
and this should be the max speed allowed for all driverless cars

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

I will make money driving Uber for the rest of my life.
I am so, so sorry for you.

iluvmen
iluvmen

A driver should do everything within his power to not cause fatalities.
That is not the same as attributing fault to the driver if a fatality occurs. There are rules to road usage that apply to everyone, even pedestrians, which are designed to prevent accidents and that includes not walking out into traffic.

Inmate
Inmate

Normies don't know that neural networks are just automated guesswork. Basically a compromise to get a function that works well-enough. We don't have algorithms for stuff like object recognition, which is why neural networks are being used, but since all they do is try to come up with parameters that can best map input with output in training data, they can never achieve perfect results.
The media over-hyped AI way too much. Only reason why grads with PhDs in AI related stuff are getting jobs nowadays is because Google wants them for its autistic 'Brain' project.

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

Congratulations, you were taught defensive driving.
You are probably a better driver than 70% of the rest of the driving population, but rules are the rules.

Part of that assumes you can see kids playing.
What you were probably taught was constant risk identification.
Slowing down where kids are likely to be around, like schools or parks, is admirable but you cant do all your driving at 10mph because there's a wheelie bin that could have a child behind it.

Flameblow
Flameblow

that dumb bitch crossed without a crosswalk and didn't even check for cars, she basically jumped in front of a speeding car, good that she died, one less moron to worry about

and for the retards in this thread saying the driver always has full responsibility, i fucking hope you get to experience some moron hiding behind a parked car and jumping in front of you right as you drive past

cum2soon
cum2soon

it's your job as a driver to take into account that situations might arise where other people wont stick to those rules and even in that case you are still obliged to protect them
you have to make sure your style of driving gives you the ability to do so even if the rules are on your side. even with a green light, you are supposed to drive carefully and not to accelerate mindlessly.

w8t4u
w8t4u

all the women do that everywhere, it's your job as a driver to know that even before they know that.

TreeEater
TreeEater

Yeah, that's part of what I said.

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

yes, but you did not make it clear enough.

the algorithm did not brake for her, the algorithm did not drive foresightful, the algorithm killed her.

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

or low IQ roasties can just not be allowed to drive, and then we wouldn't need remotely operated pods to take away our freedom to drive ourselves

implying if a condition arises close enough that the max static friction of the tires couldn't even allow the car to stop in time, then it's still the car/driver's fault
literally wrong

if we had a strict driving test and didn't let chucklefucks drive we wouldn't have these problems either. retards need to learn to walk or take the bus

askme
askme

that's /r9k/ rhetoric

Snarelure
Snarelure

But again, it may not have been possible for a human driver to have seen this person before they stepped out, it may not have been possible for a human driver to react to this person stepping out and a pedestrian has a responsibility to check the road before stepping out.

So you cannot just attribute all fault to the algorithm.

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

as the driver you have to make sure that even a pedestrian who doesn't check the road stays safe and drive accordingly slow and careful, to minimize that exact risk that physics of the car, speed, and road type, as well as neurobiology of your eye-brain-movement-connnections still pose

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

Uber + Waymo: 10 fatalities per 100 million miles.
Humans: 1.16 fatalities per 100 million miles.

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BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

Haven't Uber + Waymo only done like 10 million miles?

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

With one fatality.

Bidwell
Bidwell

--Score--
People who go outside: 10000000
People who never leave the house: 1

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

are you retarded

iluvmen
iluvmen

It's all about speed the car is going in that picture
Your statement is false without more information

idontknow
idontknow

yeah whatever dipshit

hairygrape
hairygrape

did you actually come on Veeky Forums to brag about being an uber driver?

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TalkBomber
TalkBomber

Oh but user you just don't get it. human beings are totally fucking stupid. We do not understand proportion. The USA right now is consumed by a huge debate about mass school shootings, a problem that is dwarfed into insignificance by the number of our young people dying of obesity or getting into car accidents or of drug abuse. Even though the piles of dead bodies and number of grieving families are much bigger, the stories aren't SEXY! It has no villain that we can directly confront! It lacks drama! "We should punish parents that let their kids get obese by treating it as child abuse" is UGLY and JUDGEMENTAL and it will make parents who have fat kids feel baaaaaaaaad and the kids will feel baaaaaaaad so who cares that they have heart attacks and die at 22 and cost us billions of dollars to treat for their diabetes,and even though by dealing with it we could save a hundred times more people than by freaking out about school shootings. and now one sad death, the same type of death that happens all the time with human drivers, that kills tens of thousands of people each year, is being treated as some great derailing event for this tech, this tech that could EVEN IN ITS EARLY FORM prevent thousands of deaths a year of driver incompetence, because it's new and scary and dramatic.

Techpill
Techpill

you seem a bit retarded

King_Martha
King_Martha

Not really.
Humans will only accept self driving cars if they are perfect, despite them having a lower accident rate than manual driving. It's sensationalist.

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Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

you're telling me that just because someone can hide behind a parked truck on the side of a 35mph street, or hide behind a concrete divider on a 75mph freeway and decide to jump out literally right in front of my car--just because this is a possibility and muh I need to be responsible for ALL pedestrians I need to limit my speed accordingly.

you want me to do less than 5mph anywhere but the middle of a salt flat, you moron. you want to do 5mph in the middle of a freeway. you want to do 50 or more under the limit. fucking kill yourself. at that point it doesn't even matter whether or not the car is automated. you seem like an assmad numale, so you'll be glad to know I regularly do 50 mph OVER the speed limit, not under :^)

most likely

Booteefool
Booteefool

you want me to do less than 5mph anywhere but the middle of a salt flat, you moron. you want to do 5mph in the middle of a freeway. you want to do 50 or more under the limit. fucking kill yourself. at that point it doesn't even matter whether or not the car is automated. you seem like an assmad numale, so you'll be glad to know I regularly do 50 mph OVER the speed limit, not under :^)
I don't give a shit how you drive, speeder, but I do want autonomous cars to drive like that to make 100% sure they don't kill anyone

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

who the fuck would want an autonomous car to do 5mph everywhere? might as well walk

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

you are too fat anyways
human drivers should be made illegal and 5 mph autonomous cars should be the only legal way to drive

Methshot
Methshot

Ill teach them to not be low IQ brainlets and run out in the middle of the street for a fucking ball

TreeEater
TreeEater

That's the price you have to pay for letting retards breed and prosper and become the majority in a majority rules system, fucking leftypol shitheads

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

should've taken me less time to realize b8

Emberburn
Emberburn

You should probably run into the cars on the side. Parents come out as "WTF?" and you say "Well your kid ran into the street and I couldnt stop in time, so I had no other option". Then insurance takes your side?

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TurtleCat
TurtleCat

your job as a grown adult to take care of other grown adults

cancer mentality.

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

that's because you drive too fast user, you drive too fast all the time. you have to drive more slowly for that handful of retards who might run on the street in front of your car.

TechHater
TechHater

okay enjoy killing kids with your car then

whereismyname
whereismyname

I said adults, not kids you braindead moron.

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Lunatick
Lunatick

too fast
maybe so but not fast enough. when I get a new car I'll go even faster, and I may get a sportbike within a few years. Probably will end up as a mile long streak of gore on the freeway at some point but whatever

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

women, kids, old people, retards, what's the difference when it comes to car traffic

MPmaster
MPmaster

kids aren't worth as many points

Soft_member
Soft_member

drive faster then

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

If an adult walks out in traffic they deserve to die. Survival of the fittest.

Emberburn
Emberburn

So they aren't any better than the vehicle then.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

you wouldn't be either if your job was to sit there and do nothing for 400 hours. you'd eventually realize you'll never know if the car is going to do the right thing or not. and by the time you figure out its doing something wrong, then it's already too late anyway. so why not just relax and enjoy getting paid to get deep vein thrombosis.

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TechHater
TechHater

Uber fired half its white males for being better than its other workers and now it is a shit company on the decline. Big fucking surprise.

Soft_member
Soft_member

source on this info

JunkTop
JunkTop

It wasn't the driver that died though

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

Footage of the accident was released
youtu.be/hthyTh_fopo
I cant tell if it's super dark, the camera quality is poor, or both, but there was no way that car could've stopped in time.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

I will make money driving Uber for the rest of my life
Not if they put a decent emergency system

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Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

russians are so stupid

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

impressive

Evilember
Evilember

fortune.com/2018/01/23/uber-first-chief-diversity-officer/

5mileys
5mileys

That doesn't say what you claim it says at all

massdebater
massdebater

No russian truck can pull that off, and no russian truckdriver is sober enough to react that quickly

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

there was no way that car could've stopped in time.
Are you serious? You make it sound like she ran out in front of the car.

She's basically stationary in the middle of the road, walking her bike slowly across, more than halfway across. If you can't see a person standing in the road and stop in time to avoid hitting them, you're driving too fast for the visibility conditions. This was clearly both a failure of the self-driving system and negligence of the human operator.

Snarelure
Snarelure

I didn't claim anything, just saw you asking that other user about diversity hires and figured I'd give you a link about their diversity hiring.
Not sure what you're looking for exactly. They were criticized for not having diversity, a bunch of their old leadership was removed, and they hired a "chief diversity officer whose entire job is to force diversity hires.

Emberfire
Emberfire

The driver's an MTF transsexual, right? They hired an obviously mentally ill person to keep their car-sized robot from running anyone down.

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

please don't

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Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

Please don't what?

People are never just transsexual and otherwise normal. Wanting to dress up like the opposite sex and surgically mutilate your healthy genitals comes with a whole of other mental problems. The company should be liable for reckless endangerment by relying on such a person for a job requiring consistent clear-headed vigilance.

King_Martha
King_Martha

please don't do what you're doing right now. If you want to bash trannies there are plenty opportunities outside of sci.

askme
askme

I've killed at least three people and hurt many more. I have no legal obligation to stop when someone crosses the street illegal.

Stupid people need to go.

hairygrape
hairygrape

On one hand I doubt any human would've seen her coming, no reflectors on bike + black clothing, passing a under bridge.

On the other hand this is no excuse for whats happened because there are sensors (orthough expensive) which could've recognized this person. Obviously they cant put a ladar, radar, an infrared sensor, an echolot and a camera in a single car, it would be to expensive.

but it means part of the reason she had to die was because a whole industry was too focused on commercialising a product.

I bet there is no risk map of accident history on geolocations implemented in the cars roadmap, partly because documentation of accidents is authorities area and I'm not sure if they are even allowed to release the data, let alone having every record in digital format.

by law its obviously the fault of the driver but the woman could've maybe avoided her death as well... still a long way from commercialising imho...

I dare to predict that before we'll have perfectly safe self-driving cars, we invent another type of vehicle. who would be with me on that one?

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

you'd tell that story at their funeral?

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

Fuck right off if you think Veeky Forums is some leftist-controlled safe space where we can't have frank discussions of mental illness and its consequences. This is relevant to the discussion at hand.

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

It's not relevant at all though. You may state that diversity hires are fucking stupid, and I think most here would nod in agreement, but is it really necessary to stir up shit with the typical 89 IQ rhetoric? And you can also stop acting as if your right of free speech is infringed just because you're asked to tone it down a little, it's not like anyone here is gonna stop you...

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

So you're saying that: I won't be allowed to buy a self driving van and comfily sleep whilst journeying and/or automate a delivery business and unemploy several hundred thousand delivery drivers one day?

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Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

you can also stop acting as if your right of free speech is infringed just because you're asked to tone it down a little
You literally just told me not to bring this subject up at all.

See, this is how scumbag leftists work: you pretend that your political positions aren't political at all, they're just "being nice" or "obvious truth" or "only decent". If I bring up the well-established link between identifying as the opposite sex and other forms of mental illness, it's "typical 89 IQ rhetoric" and if I "can also stop acting as if your right of free speech is infringed" when I'm told not to mention it here.

People trusted a tranny in a job where that fact strongly indicated against his psychological suitability for performing a safety-critical function, and now an innocent woman is dead. That's bigger than your feelings, and so is freedom of speech.

Booteefool
Booteefool

what I asked you to was taking the tranny-bashing somewhere else, nothing more, nothing less. Doesn't look like it had much effect though...

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

You people are complicit in these deaths. When you try to stop people from openly discussing harms and risks, you interfere with the understanding of how to minimize them, and inevitably, more risk is accepted and more harm results.

Some share of this woman's blood is on your hands, little murderer.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

Theres still always the 'last 10 feet' problem, where no matter what you try, you end up needing a human to do some non-automatable task at the terminals. the result would be some loss of jobs, but is mainly an dumbing down of existing jobs.

StonedTime
StonedTime

Some share of this woman's blood is on your hands, little murderer.

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Nojokur
Nojokur

non-automatable task
No such thing desu. The "last 10 feet" thing is more about complacence than actual limits to technology. When you solved most of a problem and the part you didn't solve is relatively unimportant and more hassle than it seems worth it to address, a lot of companies will just ignore it instead of pushing the issue. I can say for sure the vast majority of automation opportunities already doable today are not being taken advantage of by businesses. You'd think the invisible hand would make businesses all operate at maximum efficiency, but there's a bias towards keeping what works that you already have going.

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

Dumb bitch jumped in front of a speeding car, without a crosswalk and without checking the road.
I fucking hope every single moron like that dies, humanity will be much better off.

askme
askme

Have you seen the video? She didn't jump in front of a speeding car, she walked her bike slowly across the road, and was nearly stationary on the road when hit, equivalent to someone standing in the road.
youtu.be/hthyTh_fopo

If you can't see and stop for someone standing in the road, you're driving too fast for the visibility conditions. On top of that, the driver was looking away from the road for extended periods. Even if you're doing something like changing the radio station, you only ever glance away from the road momentarily. Keeping your eyes on the road is one of the most basic requirements of safe driving.

Crossing the road at a random place is risky, but the odds of any one car hitting you should be fairly low.

Firespawn
Firespawn

any human driver would have also hit her, she's a complete retard, she could see the car's headlights from far away but still decided to cross the road in complete darkness in front of it, without a crosswalk

RavySnake
RavySnake

this better be bait

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

B A S E D
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RumChicken
RumChicken

not even a skilled human would be able to stop in time
kek machines should be able to see in the dark fuckheads

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

any human driver would have also hit her
A human driver did hit her. That's what makes "self-driving" cars legal while the technology is under development and not certified as a qualified driver on its own: the human behind the wheel who is able to take control at any moment and is responsible for any accidents that occur. It's important to remember that a self-driving car accident means that both the self-driving system and the human driver failed. These systems haven't been driving perfectly, rather the humans have been paying proper attention and taking the wheel when necessary. The video shows that this driver wasn't.

And no, most human drivers won't hit a person standing in an empty road on a clear night. Most drive at a safe speed for the conditions, where they can see and stop if something as large as a person standing upright is stationary on the road in front of them. This is a basic requirement of safe driving. Not only people, but animals, stopped cars, large debris, or big holes can be in the road, and hitting any of those can kill you.

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

look forward to getting replaced by cheaper labor from India

Or a sentient AI which can improve itself further.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

Please don't reply to this bait guy faggoy

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

nah, i think you underestimate how incredibly brittle automation is. as long as everything is highly predictable, then it's fine, but things will be highly unpredictable at certain points along the process, so unless we literally have star trek level androids, humans will have to fill in the gaps with their own flexibility.

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

I can say for sure the vast majority of automation opportunities already doable today are not being taken advantage of by businesses.
They aren't being taken advantage of because they're fucking impossible.
youtube.com/watch?v=FmXLqImT1wE

idontknow
idontknow

They're definitely possible, I develop automated processes for a living. And like I said, most businesses have a shit ton of opportunity for automation and just haven't bothered to explore it because what they already have works well enough and because they have more immediately important topics to focus on.

Methnerd
Methnerd

flexibility
Modern ML is flexible. That's why anyone can even try to do self-driving cars. Honestly if a program can handle driving then the options we have today are pretty fucking flexible. Even a number of human autists aren't flexible enough to drive.

JunkTop
JunkTop

developing a self driving car isn't the easiest thing, but the output of that ML strategy is exceedingly simple. gas, steer, brake. so you figure out how to produce that output well enough, and now it doesn't translate to any other type of task. the terminal tasks, again, tend to be exceedingly complex. do you really think we are so close to being able to manipulate the world with human-like capability?

Techpill
Techpill

I really don't know why Uber was trying to do it right now. Should have thoroughly tested it and waited until better technology came out. Even Tesla isn't stupid enough to go full automation. Self-driving cars are still thirty years away at the earliest.

Snarelure
Snarelure

That's why there's cross walks and bicycle flash lights. This is the fault of the damn idiot who got killed.

Evilember
Evilember

Yes, but not for another 30-50 years.

DeathDog
DeathDog

le edgy never-commits-and-never-forgives-a-mistake

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

that car seems to drive without upper beam headlights, also it's exceeding the limit (this is mentioned), and it's driving too fast for the visibility conditions (you have to drive slower in the night). and since she's not wearing any reflective clothing or so and her bike doesnt have reflectors, doesn't the car have sensors ro something?

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

Obviously the woman walking across the road without paying attention to her surroundings was at fault, but that doesn't mean the self-driving function was performing adequately or the human behind the wheel was paying sufficient attention.

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

supposedly had lidar and radar which should've detected the pedestrian, esp with not much else around

whereismyname
whereismyname

now it doesn't translate to any other type of task
The whole point of ML is it's generalized to any kinds of tasks. You don't need to explicitly program rules for how tasks are accomplished. If you have a known data set then you can train it on that known data set and it will learn from experience. Most of these programs just stick to one task because they don't need to do any other tasks, not because there's a limitation to accomplishing other tasks.

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

Single companies get sued by thousands of people everyday for millions of dollars
Thats sustainable...

askme
askme

I agree that eliminating the concept of lawsuits would be a great boon for mankind by any reasonable standard.

RavySnake
RavySnake

It's looking more and more like Uber's system is incompetent and they're running a public beta test of it.

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

our defective car killed your husband but here is a $20 gift card for Walmart lol sorry XD

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

Occasionally a mistake in-and-of itself.

w8t4u
w8t4u

stupid old bicyclist walks out into middle of road

for fuck's sake

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

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PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

Actually they did, and that's exactly why today's society is not functionally different.

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

Instead of lawsuits you could have people taking personal responsibility and protecting themselves.

Illusionz
Illusionz

It'$ all about control, power.

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

noone should ever drive above 20 mph at night

retard
how about the retarded woman crosses at the light or just doesn't walk in front of a car?

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

Those are good points too, but there'a still fault to attribute to both sides here.
The car was going too fast for the range its headlights illuminated, the driver wasn't paying attention, the pedestrian was crossing at a dumb place and the autonomous system didn't detect the pedestrian.

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

What speed was the car going?

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

40mph

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

google.com/maps/@33.4365382,-111.943118,3a,24.9y,96.94h,87.23t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s3lYftPc3_ADoL8lRklz9Mg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
isn't this the place where the accident happen? there's literally a sign telling you not to cross the street there

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