>God exists as a prime mover, but he doesn't care about us and only thinks about himself >Women and slaves have inferior souls and cannot even attain to the same virtue as normal men >Not all people are equal; some are inherently superior to others >A man must be strong enough to defend himself and his honor, and should not sit idle if disgraced >Virtue and pursuit of knowledge are important, but you still need to deal with real life
Honestly, he is refreshing after reading Plato, who pushes asceticism, forgiveness, and teaches you to be obsequious. Where do I go after this?
>Women and slaves have inferior souls Greeks also didn't understand the womb. Redpill != correct any more than bluepill
Jayden Smith
>tfw Aquinas is almost a better Aristotelian than Aristotle himself
Ethan White
>redpill
Do you people say this ironically?
Isaiah Hall
>asceticism, forgiveness, and teaches you to be obsequious What about these things do you not like?
Mason Lopez
on Veeky Forums i hope it's 50/50. usually it's just some guy who fucks other men "just to have fun" or "a little display of dominance" and gets embarrassed about it, so he gets on Veeky Forums and starts denigrating women.
Logan Hughes
The next question is, where do you go after Aquinas?
Bentley Green
>tfw not sure if you are quoting me quoting MacIntyre or quoting MacIntyre
Aristotle is the greatest thinker ever in my opinion. Joyce was right about him
Brayden Brown
>redpill
I'd like you to stop embarassing yourself by using /pol/ catch-phrases. I know we're all anonymous here, but I'm afraid of you doing this in real life, or with people who know you.
Grayson Jenkins
meekness is for the meek
Jordan Jenkins
I used the term ironically for (You)s. Thank you
Asher Myers
Nice save. We thought you were a fucking idiot for a moment.
Hudson Hall
The meek shall inherit the earth.
Jordan Miller
I am inclined to agree, although I find the value in Platonic philosophy as well. They are not as different as they are made out to be
Connor Robinson
>Meekness is for the meek. Eating is for the hungry, anger is for the angry, happiness is for the happy...
Hunter Hughes
Aristotle was a pleb compared to Plato.
Jack Jackson
I firmly believe that Plato is only as esteemed as he is due to Christianity's influence, the quality of his prose, and the ambiguity of his dialogues. Basically, he allows you to project your own ideals onto his writings because he rarely explicitly states something. Aristotle is the complete opposite: meticulous, arrogant, and scientific.
Nolan Brooks
>Not all people are equal; some are inherently superior to others That's not a very good point, though. I mean, he's not WRONG, but simple ethics tell us we have to treat people as equivalent (at least under the color of law or authority) to ensure a basic social contract that cannot be freely manipulated. Otherwise the inferior should by mass overthrow the superior.
To use Aristotle's own wording, the slave revolt of the Israelites is a good example.
Jace Martinez
You don't ever actually finish with Aquinas.
Sebastian Watson
if you treat unequal people as equals then they're going to believe it and wonder why they aren't literally equal given an equal playing field because they won't admit their own inherent inequality. then they're going to blame you and overthrow you anyway.
Logan Smith
correct answer
Grayson Jenkins
I dont think aristotle believed in souls.
Easton Bell
You can finish with Aquinas, but it just leads you to the cross.
There's a strong undercurrent of mysticism about Plato. He definitely saw deeper into existence than Aristotle.
Jeremiah Bailey
No, he butchered most of ancient Greek language and Aristotle.
Nathaniel Carter
>God exists as a prime mover, but he doesn't care about us and only thinks about himself
He still didn't have the fullness of revelation that happened with Jesus Christ.
>The Word (Logos) became flesh and made his dwelling among us.
His fascination with monotheistic God is still intriguing so much that some think that one of the God's revelations happened trough Greek philosophy (Socrates, Plato, Melissus..)
>Women and slaves have inferior souls and cannot even attain to the same virtue as normal men
He made exceptions to that, for example if man and woman are in the marriage and the are both genuinely good and on the same intellectual level. In that case they can be completely equal.
Same for the slave, he considered slaves to be nothing more than just a tools. But if slave possesses that "human" element he can be considered as a person.
PIC RELATED is just a small bonus about St. Thomas Aquinas who as all know built upon Aristotelian philosophy.
Lucas Myers
>he thinks Aristotle was better than Plato
Pleb-tier desu. All of Aristotle's decent ideas came from Plato, and the rest of them were just half-baked Enlightenment crap anyway.
It's ironic that the student of the greatest philosopher in history could turn out to be so terrible.
Aquinas ruined Catholicism. Although earlier men like Peter Abelard were arguably worse.
This
Luke Ward
>Boskovic
>tfw you are philosophy student from Croatia and you have one full semester dedicated to him
Kevin Johnson
heaven
Carter Bennett
wait til the plebs find out Aristotle was right about telegony all along.
Wyatt Gray
Then we figured out what entropy is and can properly toss Aquinas into the dust bin.
Nicholas Baker
Explain further how entropy discredits Aquinas. I am genuinely interested.
Camden Brown
Spinoza
Austin Garcia
We are all meek in the face of fate, user.
Jack Ramirez
I enjoy Nicomachean ethics desu
Benjamin Johnson
if you read French (and why not, user?) you can read Louis Rougier and see how and why Aquinas has been thoroughly debunked, without even going anywhere near entropy.
Can you sum up some of the Louis Rougier's strongest claims?
Blake Carter
there are reviews online, eg Persee.
the only major criticisms are that he ripped off the Dominicans! big fucking deal, and a legitimate argument is still a legitimate argument regardless of provenance.
go and check yourself, if you need an executive internetz summary you're hardly the type to read a book.
Parker Hughes
Not enough interested to read a book about it but still interested, one of the reasons why we post/ask questions on Veeky Forums.
Charles Thompson
>be vague >be deep
Pick one.
Angel Myers
in a nutshell: the conflict between faith and reason.
Xavier Evans
ok thanks
Grayson Price
> why is entropy a problem for aquinas > just read rougier, its not about entropy but still BTFO tomasso > quick rundown? > uh try googling it, i have no idea
nice
William Ortiz
no love lost for Aquinas here.
whatever.
Leo Morales
i was supporting aquinas
seems like a really shitty critique he was shilling
Asher Hughes
> hasn't even read Nicomachean Ethics
he talks about whether your dead parents can get pissed off about the dumb shit you do
Brody Stewart
Like I've said, I don't think there is huge disagreement between the two. Aristotle dedicated his life to studying but also to creating a house with a garden that could sustainably support him and his close friends being able to chill and contemplate the unmoved mover. He was a pretty spiritual guy IRL.
Sebastian Taylor
>there are other Croatian Aquinas shitposters other than me Nice
Joseph Phillips
causality isn't real
Jonathan Campbell
There doesn't seem to be much on the guy on the net, compared to French Neo-Scholastics he had a beef with. For someone who has supposedly destroyed them, they outlived him by quite a bit.
Liam Myers
If you reject causality you reject cause and effect, which is the foundation for science and logic. By rejecting causality you reject reality and reason. You can't even argue that causality isn't real without undermining your own position.
Nathaniel Ross
What the fuck are you talking about? Are you even aware of what the term "redpill" means?
Jack Cruz
> isn't > is not > is
hold on a sec, what do you mean by this?
Juan Brooks
This is actually what Muslims believe and it explains why they're so stupid. They think the only way to know truth is through revelation, and that everything else is irrelevant. Philosophy is heresy to them.
Aiden Rivera
sorry hunny but the burden of proof is on you
Bentley Watson
I actually rolled my eyes when I read this. That's the first I've ever done that.
-10 points Go back to the Greeks. Everything we perceive as real IS real to some degree. Protagoras.
Landon Jackson
causation is relative but value of 0 in my eyes so its not real
Julian Evans
What I never understood is how Joyce is atheist when he's obviously influenced by Aquinas a lot. His alter-ego, Steven, is too, and that shows. Was Joyce maybe conflicted when it comes to his beliefs? He couldn't decide what he was? I always felt it was that.
Aiden Flores
What I gathered from this thread is that you can't actually discuss Aristole here without christfags assaultng you with that Aquinas meme.
Dominic Campbell
maybe that's because christians studied greek philosophy more than your meme philosophers of preference lol
Asher Gonzalez
FUckin burn, brah
Lucas Scott
No, philosophy is for ugly faggots
Owen Miller
>Talking about god and shit as i it were real get yourself in treatment buddy
Henry Walker
>>>r/atheism
Justin Sanders
How dare they talk about things you don't want to talk about.
Ryan Morales
I wonder what sorts of speculation could be made concerning the so-called "virgin birth" in light of Aristotle's theory of Telegony...
that ought to get the christ-cucks TFO
Ethan Flores
>God exists as a prime mover
Tyler Martin
>>>Reddit
Angel Murphy
Stop reading philosophy if you only want to confirm your /pol/ tier views
Ayden King
>/pol/ tier views
the prime mover fullness of existence perfect being
"One god, greatest among gods and humans, like mortals neither in form nor in thought"
basis of philosophy since ancient times
>/pol/ tier views
Jason Russell
>>Women and slaves have inferior souls and cannot even attain to the same virtue as normal men >>Not all people are equal; some are inherently superior to others >>A man must be strong enough to defend himself and his honor, and should not sit idle if disgraced Yes, these are /pol/ tier views.
Jack Fisher
>he butchered most of ancient Greek language and Aristotle.
How did he butcher Aristotle
Jacob Flores
"treat whites as friends and non-whites as animals"
Aristotle was the based redpill hyper-god of classical antiquity.
Dominic Brooks
>Women and slaves have inferior souls and cannot even attain to the same virtue as normal men
explained in the post above
>Not all people are equal; some are inherently superior to others
some people, truly are, inherently superior to others
>A man must be strong enough to defend himself and his honor, and should not sit idle if disgraced
Well done Aristotle, we can all agree on this
Adam Hall
Partly. The ultimate redpill would be reading a lot of plato's works, especially his early stuff to get socrate's, then move on to aristotle. That is the ultimate redpill.
Liam Sanchez
>human beings are worthless and broken creatures who will practise unknowable harm on others if they are not stopped by force
Prove him wrong.
Caleb Walker
The 20th Century where Sovereigns slaughtered more people and in crueler ways in the space of 60 years than in all of human history before them
Aiden Perry
>but simple ethics tell us we have to treat people as equivalent (at least under the color of law or authority) to ensure a basic social contract that cannot be freely manipulated. you learn this at some liberal university of form some liberal parents?
Eli Foster
If 'inferior' people can overthrow the 'superior' ones even when they're treated equal they would have even more reason to do so when they're threated unequal
Tyler Bell
>some people, truly are, inherently superior to others Well yeah. An autistic savant might be superior to you in regards to mental math. A black tall guy is superior in regards to basketball. What does that say about their or your worth? Nothing.
Owen Fisher
Rene Girard completes Hobbes.
Aaron Walker
What literature does your faculty recommend? Help out a neighbour desu.
Logan Morgan
Fuck off, David.
Adam Perez
For thomism in general? Or Bošković?
Ryder Baker
He misunderstood what Greek words meant, such as zoon politikon or zoon logon ekhon and did what Seneca did which was mistranslate political to social (in context of political philosophy).
Levi Watson
Bošković. Branislav Petronijević dedicated a beautiful chapter to him in his history of philosophy that got me interested.