Was he right?

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

Mathematics would certainly have not come into existence if one had known from the beginning that there was in nature no exactly straight line, no actual circle, no absolute magnitude.

Was he right?

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Booteefool
Booteefool

Yes ffs, do mathematicians really think god commanded Euclid's postulates? Though I don't agree with the exactly part. A posteriori idealizations are perfectly fine.

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

Was he right?
It seems reasonable, mathematics always relies on abstraction.

Illusionz
Illusionz

math came into being because of accounting, which exists in nature.
ideal geometry is basically just an offshoot of finance.

Lunatick
Lunatick

數學走進因為會計,它存在於自然界的存在。
理想的幾何形狀基本上是財政的一個分支。

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massdebater
massdebater

No. Apparently this asshole never read Plato.

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

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Ignoramus
Ignoramus

he probably read more plato than anyone who has ever posted on Veeky Forums

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

You obviously haven't read Plato or you would have understood why I said that.

takes2long
takes2long

you obviously don't understand nietzsche

Inmate
Inmate

no he is wrong

Nietzche was too focused on the big picture, as many philosophers are.
They only care bout world view.
They have little to know skill in micro.
Its all just data to be summarized into some macro.
Nietzsche was a shut in and never left his country.
If he had travelled to see certain rock formations, crystalls etc...
He would have made sure to edit that line out of the gay science.
Or tried to burn every copy he could get a hold of.

Playboyize
Playboyize

Nietzsche was a shut in and never left his country.
holy shit and you say other people have microknowledge

and crystals STILL don't have straight lines! Go down far enough and everything turns into fuzzy fields of forces, atoms vibrating, electrons popping in and out of existence, and so on and so on.

Methshot
Methshot

What the fuck is this thing supposed to be?

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

im sure theres some level/segment of these things that are indeed straight lines, or straight portions of lines.

Emberfire
Emberfire

No.
Math evolved from practical applications for dividing land, counting cattle and collecting taxes.

Firespawn
Firespawn

一項民意幾度從內省的分離

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WebTool
WebTool

No. Theories are *approximations* of reality.

Gooks back to /n/catalog#s=uke

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

There can't even be a mathematical line in reality, because you need a point, and there are no points in reality either, atoms have a fuzzy volume. You have to place the point, and you're then dealing in abstractions. And don't they tell us even space is curved, so even our mathematical line between two imaginary points would be imperceptibly bent and crooked?

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

The basis of all math and all abstraction is the concept of equivalence. Remove equivalence, and all of math will crumble to dust.

But equivalence doesn't exist in nature - there are no two completely equal dollar bills, human beings, even molecules, atoms and any other subparticles - they all exist in a different time and place. The basis of equivalence is turning a blind eye to the differences and only take some properties of an object in account.

So, without imprecision of the human perception, there is no equivalence, and thus no mathematics.

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VisualMaster
VisualMaster

You don't need abstract geometric constructs for science when the abstract stochastic constructs we developed works just as well.

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

Considering that mathematics is not based in or in tandem with reality but instead can be utilized to describe reality, he's entirely wrong. Nietzsche and most philosophers were idiots.

FastChef
FastChef

But equivalence doesn't exist in nature
What about Boson particles mathfag?

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

Boson particles
Explain to me how two Boson particles can be one and the same.

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

He said come into existence, not be used.

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

They can occupy the same quantum state space, thus have precisely equivalent properties.

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

What makes them stop having precisely equivalent properties?

Supergrass
Supergrass

Then how do you know there are two of them and not one? I never studied physics so I'm asking out of curiosity.

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

Quantum field interactions.
Energy measurements.

cum2soon
cum2soon

Then they are not the one and the same. If they were one and the same, they would have the same quantum field interactions and energy measurements. They are clearly different particles.

idontknow
idontknow

check

mate

Snarelure
Snarelure

they would have the same quantum field interactions
They do. It is perfectly indistinguisable which particle interacts.
and energy measurements.
They do. Nigger do you know what quantum state means?

Motherfucker we aren't done yet.

Flameblow
Flameblow

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SniperWish
SniperWish

platonic forms are a philosophically incoherent concept

Lunatick
Lunatick

idiot, clearly early mathematicians knew that circles were only approximated in nature

iluvmen
iluvmen

there are people today who still read philosophy
Why? Do you gain anything worthwhile from it? I haven't.

Inmate
Inmate

Yes, it helps me to show those fuks at /lit/ why they're fucking retarded.

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

Yeah, anyone else really fr**king love science? It's epic for the win!

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

Nietzsche

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Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

Nah, might have been less influence by retarded memes though. It was necessarily to run countries even 2 thousand years ago, it has only become more pertinent.

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

This, basically. I initially thought it was worth pursuing but I've realised it's almost all hollow trash. People throw it around though, as though it means something, so it's best to be familiar with to an extent.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

This, basically. I initially thought it was worth pursuing but I've realised it's almost all hollow trash. People throw it around though, as though it means something, so it's best to be familiar with to an extent.
Literally the only thing I got out of philosophy is knowing the names and ideas of people that pseudointellectuals often discuss. I didn't gain any real insight to myself or the world around me. In fact, science and math textbooks have been more transformative in my life.

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

I can't tell if this conversation is beneath me or above me

all significant activity in the universe takes place in a discrete fashion, not a vague one

and to suggest that numbers, the invention of the intellect, itself a singular and discrete reality, is somehow secondary to the degrees which exist in reality is harmful humility, it's better to observe the universe as a subset of the mind, rather than a container for it, because that's the way it ultimately works on a functional level

ie mathematics is more real than reality, it could never have been concealed

Methshot
Methshot

what is calculus of variations
Nietzsche was a brainlet

SniperWish
SniperWish

it's better to observe the universe as a subset of the mind, rather than a container for it
I disagree, it's better to realize that both are true, we can only observe and analyze the universe by having it as a subset of our minds, but at the same time our minds exist inside the universe.

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

I can't tell if this conversation is beneath me or above me
all significant activity in the universe takes place in a discrete fashion, not a vague one
Significantly above you.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

This thread goes a long way towards proving Veeky Forums is full of teenage pseudo-intellectuals.

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

hurr durr nietzsche is the coolest
i learn science from people who have never studied it
i trust brainlets to tell me how the universe works and how to live my life
amor fati!

5mileys
5mileys

all significant activity in the universe takes place in a discrete fashion, not a vague one
The conversation is above you. So far above you we're talking relativistic scale domains.

Bidwell
Bidwell

I have nothing against science-based Analytical Philosophy, but Continental Philosophy is worse than New Age mysticism. Back to /x/.

likme
likme

This.

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

samefaggin

girlDog
girlDog

Samefag.

cum2soon
cum2soon

I wouldn't say that considering Kant is a continental philosopher

Emberburn
Emberburn

Kant made a synthesis of the worst aspects of Brittish Empiricism and the worst aspects of the continental speculative metaphysics tradition of his time. His subjetivist doctrine influenced many openly anti-science ideologies like existentialism and phenomenology.

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

le i fucking love science cultist post
/trash/

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

Do mistake serious scientism (defended by many philosophers of science and epistemologists) with leftist SJW obscurantist ideologies.

The "i fucking love science" cult opposes scientism and the naturalist approach to the social sciences. They would also oppose all contemporary naturalist philosophy, if they knew it.

Illusionz
Illusionz

*do not

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

You bore me. It wouldn't matter if they were. People would just have to believe in them for the quote to be incorrect, which we know they did and do.

Nojokur
Nojokur

Yay! Sharding discord!

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

Philology professor in Basel at age 24
never read Plato
kek

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

Philosophy
based on science
ever
Retard

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askme
askme

You are in the wrong board. You find more people thinking like you on /x/.

SniperWish
SniperWish

equivalence (modularity) occurs all throughout nature. other intelligent animals regard objects as discrete, some can even count. basic biological processes like RNA translation and sexual reproduction rely on modularity at many levels. there is ample evidence that equivalence is a real phenomenon.

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