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Inmate
Inmate

mobile.nytimes.com/2018/03/23/opinion/sunday/genetics-race.html

SCI BTFO BY BASED POL.

LMAO

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mobile.nytimes.com/2018/03/23/opinion/sunday/genetics-race.html
medical-hypotheses.com/article/S0306-9877(09)00537-4/fulltext
researchgate.net/publication/317346941_Ancient_metalworking_in_South_America_A_3000-year-old_copper_mask_from_the_Argentinian_Andes";
link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF02859340";
journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0141923";
whc.unesco.org/en/tentativelists/1873/";
es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paleoamericano";
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bluefish_Caves";
youtube.com/watch?v=EInzpVmgCwk
youtube.com/watch?v=pGHhBlgOWV4
youtube.com/watch?v=q2R2btO4MEo
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Reich_(geneticist)

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

mobile

Emberfire
Emberfire

opinion

SniperGod
SniperGod

high educational attainment genes are associated with delayed fecundity
say it with me Veeky Forums HIGH COGNITIVE LOAD ENVIRONMENTS ARE DYSGENIC

WebTool
WebTool

mobile.nytimes.com/2018/03/23/opinion/sunday/genetics-race.html
Any non popsci links?

RumChicken
RumChicken

lol ok man

i assume you know how to use sci-hub

medical-hypotheses.com/article/S0306-9877(09)00537-4/fulltext

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

If only it were any other way. See you in hell when this world burns itself down.

If you know how to use sci-hub I assume you know how to find an article published in a respectable journal.

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Flameblow
Flameblow

Harvard is now on /pol/s side. Tumblr btfo

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

now
it always was
notice how all of the 'crackpot racist scientists' were professors at either Harvard or Oxford at some point in time

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

David reich is an interesting figure. He's a stereotypical liberal jew, but at the same time he is a scientist and leaves his ideology out of his work, which is very "red pilling".

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

Yes only accept scientific studies if they are published in (((approved))) journals and not on the basis of the paper itself

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

Nice try, but everyone knows that the authors are just as much into it as the journals are and will suck dick at the chance to be in a higher impact journal. Like it or not, impact is a good measure of the quality of a paper.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

This image sums up what is about to happen to liberal ideologies once genomics advances over the next years.

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takes2long
takes2long

The collective brainpower of /pol/

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Emberburn
Emberburn

With the help of these tools, we are learning that while race may be a social construct, differences in genetic ancestry that happen to correlate to many of today’s racial constructs are real.

wut

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

Trying to ease the sheep back to pasture. Can't push them too hard. Have to give them help to cross the gap back to reality.

They see the coming revolution in genomics and are getting positioned to not be completely destroyed by what it reveals.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

We all knew this was right. Amerindian higher civilization potential is a historical fact

Now go back to europe, subhumans, your pestilent inferior kind keeps poisoning this land
Disgusting creatures

Snarelure
Snarelure

Amerindian higher civilization potential is a historical fact
[citation needed]

Flameblow
Flameblow

europeans
from aurignacian proto-gravettian to solutrean:10000 years (30000BC-20000BC)
from aurignacian-antelian to start of crop development: 9000 years(30000BC-21000BC)
from start of crop development to neolithic revolution: 10500 years (21000BC-10500BC)
from neolithic revolution to earliest use of copper: 5500 years (10500BC-5000BC)
from neolithic revolution to earliest use of tin bronze: 6700 years (10500BC-3800BC)

Amerindians:
from aurignacian proto-gravettian to clovis: 5500 years (16000BC-10500BC)
from aurignacian proto-gravettian to the start of crop development: 5000 years (16000BC-11000BC)
from start of crop development to neolithic revolution: 7000 years (11000BC-4000BC)
from neolithic revolution to copper: 3000 years (4000BC-1000BC)
from neolithic revolution to earliest use of tin bronze: 4700 years (4000BC-700 AD)

-"2003a. Tiwanaku Period (Middle Horizon) bronze metallurgy in the lake Titicaca basin: A preliminary assessment. En Tiwanaku and its hinterland, T 2. A. Kolata, (Ed.), pp. 404-434. Smithsonian Institution Press, Washington D. C."
-"1997. El bronce arsenical y el Horizonte Medio. En Arqueología, antropología e historia en los Andes: Homenaje a María Rostworowski, R. Varón y J. Flores E. (Eds.), pp. 153-186. Instituto de Estudios Peruanos, Lima."
-"researchgate.net/publication/317346941_Ancient_metalworking_in_South_America_A_3000-year-old_copper_mask_from_the_Argentinian_Andes";
-"Historia de América Andina: Las sociedades aborígenes"
-"link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF02859340";
-"journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0141923";
-"whc.unesco.org/en/tentativelists/1873/";
-"es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paleoamericano";
-"en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bluefish_Caves";

Amerindians had a higher development rate than europeans, therefore Amerindians have more civilization potential than europeans.

How is this hard to get?

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

define "civilization potential"

eGremlin
eGremlin

Yes. Set of characteristics human individuals share that makes it possible for them to achieve civilization by themselves. Some humans lack some of these characteristics, or have less than others, thus they cannot develop themselves as fast as others.

Amerindians had a higher development rate than europeans. Therefore Amerindians have more civilization potential than europeans.

How is this hard to get?

FastChef
FastChef

Race is a social construct and I'll tell you why.
We judge people on the content of their character, not the color of their skin.
By this judgement, you're all equally just a bunch of fucking niggers.
Whether you're a white nigger or a black nigger or an asian nigger or a sand nigger or a hispanic nigger, you'll all be judged by the same standards in the eyes of the lord, and you'll all be judged as fucking worthless niggers.

Bleach your soul, not your skin.

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

there are too many different variables other than genetics involved to ascribe older inventions to "their genes make them have civilization"

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

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Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

When you say characteristics, i take it you mean phenotypes, which involve a confluence between genotype and intellectual environment and physical environment.

IE someone can have genes that predispose for short-sightedness, but they live in modern civilization so they wear glasses and the phenotype is then no different than folks with normal sight.

200 years ago, glasses were expensive, so there was a hereditary difference that corresponded to a phenotypic difference. That disappeared over time. Does that mean microevolution happened? Of course not; we changed the physical environment and the intellectual environment, and then the outcome when interacting with genetics was different.

There's no need to prejudge any population by race; we can just develop our understanding of science and our technology, and we can fix our environment to eliminate the less desirable hereditary differences that exited between us in the context of the environment we currently live in.

massdebater
massdebater

Nobody can deny that that /pol/ is the most diverse board on Veeky Forums.

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Inmate
Inmate

Yeah no reason to consider it when importing millions of people with genetics that might have higher crime rate and horrible economic outcomes which tax social nets.

I'm sure swedish love higher crime rate and have to work longer before retirment now because "genetics dont matter". The rape victims and murder victims due to the higher crime rates in Germany since mass immigration sure enjoyed it.

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

For instance

Why are black people higher poverty, higher crime, and other negative things?

Is it because of genetics? Is it a nuanced view?

It's pretty much "whites are racist and holding back blacks" and that is used in things like public funding, policy decisions, and popular culture. When the reality is if you look at the group and outcomes vs IQ you see similar outcomes for whites of the same IQ. The genetic differences cause the difference in outcomes but we have to pretend it doesn't which leads to horrible allocations of resources and blame.

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

what I find most important about this article is that the author offers a candid glimpse into the leftist mental process. he says that the problem could escalate to the point when IT WOULD LOOK AS IF RACISTS WERE RIGHT FOR THE WHOLE TIME. we all know about the leftist mania of desperately demanding the role of intellectual superiority and mental health, while everybody else must be a mentally ill brainlet (I wonder if this is just some human universal gone wild or did their idea actually come from the way rabbis are respected).

fact is, if folk intuition had something to say about e.g. the distribution of visible stars which, upon closer inspection, would turn out to be mostly correct, nobody would make any bones about including these amazing trivia in any book about stars. but if folk intuition says other races are different, then at first those folks are evil, then it is demanded that such an intuition be exactly formulated, and at last they will be told that something similar exists but it is not what they think, because they think this and this (cue insert total strawman). all this time they make great efforts to misunderstand and misrepresent any popular claim about race, in addition to fantasizing about outcomes of accepting such an idea and presenting those fantasies as facts. just a hint: some trolls demanding the extermination of blacks does not equal race realists wanting to kill anyone.

apart from the fact that a honest evaluation of IQ statistics would give us a better way to gauge racial discrimination (races not being represented in their proportion in the population would look like a retardedly primitive idea), the most important outcome would be to make these liberal profs eat crow. they are already trying to claim that 'no one says that there are no races' etc., except when claiming so.

happy_sad
happy_sad

Yes. The most beneficial outcome would be America belonging to Amerindians the same as europe belongs to europeans.

Is this that hard to get?

massdebater
massdebater

It's pretty interesting that the reasoning isn't "This is the truth and we have suppressed it while ruining lives and blaming groups in society falsely"

It's simply, "We can't keep lying anymore due to advances in technology and communication"

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

you are having a bit of difficulty understanding written text, don't you?

Techpill
Techpill

Yes, it's basically this.

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Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

I think it is worse than that: they genuinely don't care about truth. 'lying' has connotations like feeling bad about it, knowing it is not right etc. none of that applies: they worry about an incoming blow to their ego, or rather, to their right to hold themselves in high esteem as priests of science and be able to expect this from their peers and demand it from us peasants.

Emberfire
Emberfire

Complementing a post with intuitive conclusions is wrong for you?

America belongs to Amerindians the same as europe belongs to europeans, don't you agree?

RumChicken
RumChicken

every piece of land belongs to those who last took it by whatever means, force, trickery or outfucking the natives. what does this have to do with racial differences?

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

So you agree with european replacement?

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

try not to sound so trollish. you are keeping score by how little you type compared to me. what european replacement, the fucking up of indians by europeans, or the current clusterfuck of brownies coming to europe for gibs?
if brownies can take europe, they can have it. but we are also in our rights to fight this, with deadly force if necessary. where does 'agreement' enter the picture?

and now stop this retardation, or explain what does it have to do with racial differences. that is assuming you have a notion of 'explaining' or indeed 'something having to do with something else'.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

It's pretty simple actually.
The act of populating "x" land for the greater good:
- "Civilization": which had been supported by europeans for centuries. Amerindian populating Americas is a consequence as Amerindians have more civilization potential than europeans.
- "Native": Amerindians are native to America the same as europeans are native to europe.
- "might makes right": supported by europeans with cognitive dissonance. As europeans needed more than 20 diseases to destroy Amerindian civilizations, and still couldn't do anything against Inca armies as they won most battles before dying by epidemics; yet arab, chinese, mexican, west african are literally invading and replacing all european populations without any effort whatsoever.
troll
Denying intuitive conclusions with buzzwords or goalshifting won't stop the truth. Try again.

Therefore America belongs to Amerindians the same as europe belongs to europeans.
How is this that hard to get?

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BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

how is it hard to get that this has absolutely nothing to do with racial differences and you should go start a new thread instead of shitting up other threads if your mania does not allow you to relax?

Booteefool
Booteefool

See this post: The mention and inclusion of race, ideology and politics is complemented by , as it's an intuitive conclusion of the Amerindian situation in the Americas.

I believe even eurangutans can get this logical process...

likme
likme

intuitive conclusion
you are an idiot.

TreeEater
TreeEater

It's a pretty valid syntactic construction.

America belongs to Amerindians the same as europe belongs to europeans. Time to face the facts, inferior being.

Techpill
Techpill

It's pretty much "whites are racist and holding back blacks" and that is used in things like public funding, policy decisions, and popular culture. When the reality is if you look at the group and outcomes vs IQ you see similar outcomes for whites of the same IQ. The genetic differences cause the difference in outcomes but we have to pretend it doesn't which leads to horrible allocations of resources and blame.

The problem is, many conservatives are saying there can be average differences in different traits between two populations, therefore any attempt at using public and business policy to level the playing field across communities is unfounded.

It's fair to ask how much of the difference is attributable to prejudice, but few people are seriously arguing all difference in outcomes are due to unfair treatment.

If we use research, it looks reasonable that some differences are a product of individual choice and talent, and some differences are a product of prejudiced treatment.

It's not difficult to find studies that establish unfair treatment of women and minorities on the basis of gender or race, like studies where researchers change names on resumes applying to similar positions and finding they only receive as little as half as many callbacks for more foreign sounding names.

We should be cognizant of what outcomes to expect when we have truly equitable treatment in the economy, but we should simultaneously have programs and systems that correct for unfair discrimination when it does happen. I'm not a fan of quotas, but let's at least first correct for the problems when we know they exist.

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Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

To continue this, there's also the issue of inheriting environmental influences that are disadvantageous. In a society with a robust social safetynet and competent standards of public education, this is less of an issue.

But in the US where at least in some states inherited wealth can be a determinitive factor in whether children have the same opportunities to maximize their economic participation, a community that's faced institutional discrimination for generations in business and government, like categorically being disallowed access to higher education, if our aim is a meritocratic society, does deserve some kind of compensation or guarantee that their children for some time will enjoy the same opportunities.

Emberfire
Emberfire

This is at least in part due to university, and especially for women. Smart men who go to university and get a high paying job can get a fecund young woman, whereas a 30 year old roastie with a phd is on the road to a darwinian dead end.
Chalk up another success for feminism.

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RumChicken
RumChicken

Blame conservatives for this, we on the left have always been proponents of sensible population control. We should use positive reinforcement to encourage high income potential folks to have larger families, like tax breaks and subsidized daycare so they can still focus on work or education. while making contraceptive and abortion widely available for low earning potential folks.

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

mobile
Typical phoneposter.

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Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

desu this whole place has gone down since the leaked celebrity nudes, which I think was in 2014 or 2015

Lunatick
Lunatick

we on the left

viagrandad
viagrandad

sensible population control
left
Explain mass immigration of third world peoples into first world countries then.

5mileys
5mileys

we on the left

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hairygrape
hairygrape

Harvard Geneticist, David Reich in NY times.

David 3rd Reich!

youtube.com/watch?v=EInzpVmgCwk

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Burnblaze
Burnblaze

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Firespawn
Firespawn

/pol/ is so retarded that when Veeky Forums tells them where a race begins and ends is subjective means that we don't think different population groups of different genetics
/pol/ is literally no smarter than SJWs.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

we believed in all of those pol things but obfuscated them
keep back pedaling.

"Just call them populations"
"Of course there are genetic and behavioral differences due to them"

JunkTop
JunkTop

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GoogleCat
GoogleCat

celebrate with some citypop
youtube.com/watch?v=pGHhBlgOWV4

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

*libtards screethcing in background*
NOOOOO
youtube.com/watch?v=q2R2btO4MEo

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Need_TLC
Need_TLC

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Soft_member
Soft_member

sci
pol
Back to r/T_D, you retarded immigrant.

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

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likme
likme

How the fuck it was published in the NYT?

I thought that Harvard and NYT were radical leftists.

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

They are on damage control.

Snarelure
Snarelure

He's basically making the argument that because science will inevitably prove the differences between races at a DNA level, scientists should start taking the sting out of the argument by admitting it now to some degree.

Emberburn
Emberburn

/pol/ and Veeky Forums are usually of one mind when it comes to race being real. Ignoring it won't make it go away.
the real issue is how you deal with race.

Firespawn
Firespawn

read it. They know the jig is up and are re-positioning.

Nojokur
Nojokur

this

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

lol faggot, sage

askme
askme

Why the homophobia?

iluvmen
iluvmen


Is that Harvard professor tenured?

If so the Leftist Harvard won't be able to fire him so easily.

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Reich_(geneticist)

TreeEater
TreeEater

Reich is a Jewish Surname.
Why a Jew is defending Race realism?

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Emberfire
Emberfire

Ask that on /pol/. I would also like to know.

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TurtleCat
TurtleCat

It's a meaningless question. This question would only occur to you in the first place if you were brainwashed on a low IQ echo chamber like pol/stormfront.

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

/pol/ != stormfront

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

Jews think that (((themselves))) are the true maste-race

Supergrass
Supergrass

Its funny that the political right has become so accustomed to political corruption and fabricating information that whenever anyone on the left changes their mind or opines for a view without any immediate or apparent personal benefit, their first reaction is to demand to know who is paying them, where they're getting their talking points from, and what their ulterior motive is.

Objective reality is lost on these folks.

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Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

Italians can be arrogant. Keep in mind most of the genetic testing for "jewishness" uses populations from 500 years ago in Europe, already heavily mixed.

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

It's not backpedaling you retard. Race is literally a social construct in that what defines the start of one race or the end of another is literally opinion, however different populations do have different genetics. Learn basic biology faggot.

Spamalot
Spamalot

How do we define race? Blacks alone have more genetic diversity than all other races combined. Should blacks be 8 different races all themselves? What scientific definition should we use to define what a race is? /pol/ is fucking retarded.

girlDog
girlDog

anime girl

Stop posting Alt-Right propaganda

viagrandad
viagrandad

Where we've always differed is the importance of race. Just because there are average differences between two populations doesn't mean it's worthwhile to create and use categories on their basis. The genetic differences are being defined on the basis of race, race isn't being defined on the basis of genetic difference. The difference is important.

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

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massdebater
massdebater

You should feel very, very insecure about your brain if you can't grasp what those two people are saying. It's not opinion, it's fact, and it's about as simple as basic arithmetic.

Playboyize
Playboyize

people of all politics should be united in their love for anime qts

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Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

I hated that show, the ending was garbage.

Flameblow
Flameblow

fag

SniperGod
SniperGod

Homophobic

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

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FastChef
FastChef

I have to agree on that.

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

Yes. Ashkenazi Jews are indeed heavily mixed with Europeans.

Nojokur
Nojokur

Literally can't comprehend what he's saying
HE MUST BE SAYING ALL PEOPLE ARE THE SAME AND IS THEREFORE AN SJW

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

Nigger hates anime
What alternative universe is this? You ever hear of Dragon Ball?

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

World peace through Anime

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SomethingNew
SomethingNew

All that image does to prove is how much of a retarded and wrong faggot Hitler is. If hitler thinks Chinks are superior or on par with humans than he is objectively wrong. Chinks make niggers and jews look decent.

askme
askme

Anime cuties represent the apex of Indo European beauty. This is why jews hate anime so much.

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idontknow
idontknow

Anime is the polar opposite of the Jewish degenerate modern art (entartete kunst).

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likme
likme

It's also for guys because they are taught all this marxist nonsense rather than "get a job and have plenty of kids to continue the family name" sorta thing
These people are also worse off financially than someone who started working at 16 after dropping out of high school.

many conservatives are saying there can be average differences in different traits between two populations
No conservative says anything like that in public because its fucking ILLEGAL even in the USA
unfair
prejudiced
Society is FILLED with you marxists who have imported foreigners and then you babble about how we need to cater to them.

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

numbers are also social constructs
elements are social constructs
etc
fucking retard
The only reason to use the term "social construct" is to assert that it DOESN'T EXIST

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

Numbers aren't a social construct and neither are elements. You are digging the hole deeper /pol/.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

The social construct bullshit is not from /pol/

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

Social construct is a normie/SJW bullshit from Reddit and Tumblr

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Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

Inca-fag posts on Veeky Forums

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Techpill
Techpill

Cant tell the difference between scientific defined things and vague bullshit

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

See word he doesnt understand
Shitpost

Firespawn
Firespawn

Ok user, define race. Tell me the biological definition of race.

StonedTime
StonedTime

This is my main board, due to superior andean genes giving me mathematical abstraction superiority against subhuman spaniards where I live.

Historical facts are interesting too.

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