Jesus christ

massdebater
massdebater

no valid explanation existed for why objects stopped moving over time before newtonian mechanics
people literally thought that rocks were sentient and got tired over time as they stopped rolling down a hill

jesus christ. if it weren't for this guy would we still be thinking like this? you're telling me the gap between aristotle and newton wasn't touched by ANYONE regarding mechanical motion? humanity really is fucked if we don't properly cultivate geniuses. How did nobody stop to think about how forces could be involved? is the idea that objects stay in motion unless acted upon so odd? that the ground acted upon said rocks via friction?

Why do most people fail to let go of their intuition for a more tangible insight?

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lostmypassword
lostmypassword

I don't know what it's called but I remember hearing or reading somewhere that our primitive brains have built-in theories to describe how the world works and the idea that inanimate objects were drawn to a location it was destined for is something we were "born with" and this is how we would think if it weren't for some people being curious enough to actually test these preconceived predictions. I think this is probably why statistics and probability seem so counterintuitive as well. As primates we just needed some basic understanding of what was around us so we could interact with the world and make basic predictions of the consequences of our actions. We didn't need to know the actual truth behind these phenomenon because you could get food just as easily with these more basic viewpoints of the world.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

because you don't know taht much of history

SniperWish
SniperWish

never heard of Galileo, Archimedes, etc etc etc

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

they explained the paths objects took but not why.

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

there are many assumptions we are making today that will be equally ridiculous in the future

farquit
farquit

I'm not sure about the "equally".

idontknow
idontknow

I think we'll look pretty stupid when we realize all the string theory shit was wrong.

likme
likme

Who says he is right?

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

is the idea that objects stay in motion unless acted upon so odd

It's not and Newton didn't even come up with it. It was a much older Scholastic idea.

Playboyize
Playboyize

people literally thought that rocks were sentient and got tired over time as they stopped rolling down a hill
I really doubt this. Everyone has an intuitive understanding of how falling things behave. It's when natural philosophers tried to introduce an explanation and fit that into a larger scheme that stuff started to get wonky. They just either didn't have a mathematical description of it, or mistaken ones.

Emberfire
Emberfire

humanity really is fucked if we don't properly cultivate geniuses
Unless superintelligent AI is successfully built

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Firespawn
Firespawn

Spacetime seems like the much more obvious bullshit-theory.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

But we're not heavily invested in string theory currently. It's not the prevailing theory.

whereismyname
whereismyname

They thought force was proportional to velocity, not acceleration, an idea going back to Aristotle. It makes sense if you forget that friction is also a force. Newton's insight was to realise that forces in the cosmos were the same as those on earth, which could only be realised post-kepler once goofiness like epicycles had been removed from the astronomy of Ptolemy, Copernicus etc

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

Force and momentum are still related to each other, and people to this day still confuse them

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

Medieval mechanics were pretty sophisticated, and they made some sophisticated mills that functioned on water and animal power. Not to mention siege machines, locks, doors, elevators. So if you count kinematics as mechanical motion, a lot of research was done. They were just lacking the kinetics.

5mileys
5mileys

There was a valid explanation, Aristotles just believed there was no real vaccum in physical reality, which is true anyway.

It's ridiculous to see people thinking ancient cities could build ships and cars, and not know about friction and drag.

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

brainlet detected

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

Geniuses are usually white cis men, so cultivating geniuses is just a codeword for granting white people more privileges. We should focus on troubled minorities who have hard time finishing school and have to struggle with algebra or geometry (which were proven racist and not inclusive enough), and not some wealthy white pricks doing their elitist inventions

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

Force is the derivate of momentum.
Momentum changes by a rate of its force, so they're a little more than "related" I would say.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

gravity doesn't even exist

StonedTime
StonedTime

What do you call the attractive force between masses?

JunkTop
JunkTop

fat acceptance progressing towards it's logical conclusion.

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

Aristotle wasn't that dense, it all came to a geocentric model, were the earth was some sort of vacuum that pulled shit to it's core.

FastChef
FastChef

tl;dr inheritance of ideas and thoughts
Oh wow gollee gee it sure is amazing that humans are born with ideas and thoughts about the function of the world before they even experience it.
My goodness if only we inherited language skills

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

If it wasn't Newton it would have been someone else who discovered these laws.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

what is Galileo's inclined plane
what is Descartes' principle of conservation of motion
"If I have seen further it is by standing on ye sholders of Giants."

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

Everyone in the past said the same thing as you

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

why were people so dumb hundreds of years ago
if i was born then, I would have figured all this stuff out easily

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

there was aristotelic physics i think. If im not mestaken the greek thought that to keep an object in motion it should have some force applied all the time.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

rocks are sentient. newton didnt know what gravity is, just the effect

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

ebony magazine is at a different url

Emberburn
Emberburn

isn't everything we observe just an effect?

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

People didn't think that rocks intelligently moved around, they knew forces were involved, they just didn't understand them. They were still throwing rocks to hunt and fight.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

I don't think so. Medieval engineers used algebra and predict the trajectories of catapults and other siege weapons.

People knew practical physics and understood concepts like gravity, momentum, ect they just didn't have a unified theory.

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

This. The closest thing to what OP alludes to is varying forms of animism. Which were definitely present thousands of years ago, often alongside polytheism. But this was a matter of worldview, of the essence and meaning of things in the world, they didn't think they were sentient.

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

Everything that is moving is not really moving

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

if i wave my hand back and forth and flex my bicep, are they not moving? my muscles move, the blood in my veins move, but for some reason people didn't understand why for thousands of years. was energy not mathematically defined then?

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

It moves based on your point of reference but the world is in fact frozen and the localized phenomenon you described is void from a cosmic or quantum point of reference

farquit
farquit

people literally thought that rocks were sentient and got tired over time as they stopped rolling down a hill
That's not what they thought, ye brainlet.

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