Afterlife:

What's your favorite portrayal of afterlife. Not the one you want to live in, but your favorite to read/think about? Mine is pic-related.

The one presented by Plato in Phaedrus.

Boy love is the purest form of love and the path to paradise

The Muslim one with all the virgin Arab hoes who'll willingly rim me while jerking me off

>Helen of Egypt
>cover is a late-Etruscan period painting from tomb of Orcus, itself based on Praxitelean type
Why though?

The one that doesn't exist, desu

Bullshit asshole, the pic is period correct.

It's literally an Etruscan tomb painting, I think 5th c. from the tomb of Velcha (Orchus). Google it. jackass. The painting is well known. Unless the book is about an Etruscan woman in the middle of the 400s BC, it's hilarious.

t. Mediterranean Archaeology Ph.D. Student

This is the strangest way one of my threads has be derailed.

>Unless the book is about an Etruscan woman in the middle of the 400s BC, it's hilarious

it's more one of those archetypal works, than about a specific person (although Helen is the template, her identity is explicitly muddled in the text)

I'm always doubtful of a man's argument when he throws around a title.

>Mediterranean Archaeology Ph.D. Student

Are the Etruscans from Anatolia or not?

Was Alba Longa a ritual site or a city?

Do we have anything cool from the Celtiberians?

Do people write the histories of non-Roman mediterranean polities, like Massalia, or Sicilian ones, or Carthage, or Rhodes? Do we have mostly archaeological knowledge of those places?

Do we have any real records of the Punic colonisation period? What about Mediterranean "life" in general, not just political narrative? In a kind of Braudelian way? Does Abulafia talk about the ancient Mediterranean at all?

>I am always an incorrigible lout
Ctrl+t, google dot com, type any of the shit I posted about the painting, and level up user. Maybe I'm wrong and you can be reassured that doing more than shitposting with your life is just a meme, but I doubt it.

We aren't talking about where the Villanovans' ancestors emigrated from, faggot we're talking about whether the painting on the cover of the book has anything to do with the content of the book. It doesn't. I thought that was funny. Some faggot said I was incorrect. He is mistaken. The rest of your pseudo-intellectual posturing can consider itself unread.

Also this post applies to you as well:

I was asking you real questions because I was interested.

Way to deflect away from the question, kiddo.

I Googled it, the results were inconclusive at best. You don't have a clue of what you're talking about do you?

Alright. I should say--my background is architectural design, and while my degree title will be med arch I primarily work in Greece and specialize in Greek Architecture. Most of this is outside my area of study. As a phd srudent, I don't get a lot of time to read outside my area of study, and Imtry to reserve that for Veeky Forumsshit to round myself off. I spent a lot of time studying Etruscan tombs specifically last year with a professor, and art/Architecture are often in bed which is why I recognized the shit.
>Are the Etruscans from Anatolia or not
The peoples in Etruria prior to the Etruscan civilization are generally collected into the group called villanovans. Before that we're talking about deep dark ages, and I don't study that. I'd be googling shit or suggesting authors off my shelf that I haven't read yet.
>Was Alba Longa a ritual tie or a city
City is a strong word, but the differentiation between city as you out it and ritual site is likely two different phases of the areas development. Also, this is not something I know much about.
>Do we have anything cool from the Celtibereans
No idea
>Do people write histories of non-Roman Mediterranean politics like Massaloa, or Sicilian ones, or Carthage, or Rhodes? Do we have mostly archaeological knowledge of those places?
Mostly archaeological, archaeo,ethic, and iconographic evidence to my knowledge. The textual evidence is incredibly sparse--again not my particular area of interest. There was a shipwreck recentl found that was determined to be based in Rhodes, and the cargo gave us a lot of evidence about the trade routes through the eastern Mediterranean--shit like that.
>"life"
This is a fun one. There's a huge contentious debate in the field right now that's centered on how "privileged" the surviving literary evidence is, as it was mostly written down by and saved by elites. To ask what average life was like is more an anthropological theory that specifically eschews the classics and the literature on the grounds that it's a skewed image of the averag homie. I am paraphrasing a lot of people's passions though, don't take my word for it.

Which part was inconclusive, m8?

Wow, uh, thanks, I guess for trying to answer my questions.

You realize most of these questions are better asked of books, and that I am mobileposting from my ipad so I can enjoy my coffee outside right now because Veeky Forums posts aren't my students, right? You're asking massively general questions, and I only came here to laugh at a shitty cover design. Sorry, user. I do Architecture in Greece, not Celtibereans or Bronze Age emigration patterns.

:^(

Google indicated that these types of paintings were not of the Estruscans, however, that they were likely part of the Roman Republic before the Estruscans were assimilated into the Republic.

Thanks. It's pretty interesting to hear that there's "passion" about not leaning primarily on the literary evidence.

Do you use Strabo for your work at all? There's an interesting passage in the first bit of Spengler's Decline of the West where he describes Goethe on his grand tour, being awed by Roman architecture because he identified it with the "spirit of ancient Rome," and passing over the dinkier temples. Spengler says, we now know that Goethe was passing over the truly authentic Roman temples of the Republican period, and only focusing on gaudy, derivative, spiritless late imperial stuff. That always stuck with me for some reason.

That wasn't me.

I guess Archaeology is pretty specialised and technically focused, right? It's interesting, slightly different from History or Classics proper.

I like how the Duat from the Ancient Egyptian Book of the Dead

Aeneid book VI

M8, there are depictions of Tuchulcha all over the tomb. That's not Roman, that's an Etruscan deity. You also recognize that the script in the paintings are Etruscan as well, don't you? The Romans didn't label Hades "Aita" in bastardized Greek and it's written on the fuckin wall. Her proportions, orientation, the way her lips are depicted, the elongated neck, the pupil of the eye breaking the profile line--these are all imported stylistic changes from Greece, which was standard operating procedure for the Etruscans. This painting is not Republican Roman. Link me what you're reading.

I recently both this and am looking forward to reading it (its supposed to be a huge influence on Helen in Egypt). What about it struck a chord with you?

I don't know why I've been dragging my feet on reading the Aeneid. I need to start it soon. What translation have you read/is your favorite?

>What translation have you read/is your favorite?
No English ones

This has gone on long enough my helpful friend. I was shitposting from the start. Never did I doubt that you were correct about the painting. However, I did learn a little bit about the Etruscans, so it was worthwhile for me. Cheers, user.

I haven't read Strabo. I did a lot of work with Piranesi though, which your anecdote brings to mind: Goethe once remarked that Piranesis Veduta Di Roma series had made such a grand image in his mind that the first time he visited Rome he was incredibly disappointed. I always found that funny. When he says "spirit of Ancient Rome", I believe Goethe was directly referencing Piranesi's own words--"in the manner of the ancient Romans."

Archaeology is often very technically focused. There is a big schism between Anthropology and Classical archaeology at some American schools right now. Anthropology is like 100% social theory based on pseudo-analytical data. Classical archaeology carries the reputation amongst anthropologists of being all stuffy literature focused grand tour gallivanting by elites who don't care about every day life. It's always struck me as dumb. I think of anropologusts like postmodernists in a lot of ways.

shoot. I'm probably gonna go Fagles, but apparently Mandelbaum also has one and his Metamorphoses translation is my favorite.

>What translation have you read/is your favorite?
The Spark Notes version.

Would recommend this book, a series of short stories each describing a different conception of the afterlife, Eaglenman is a cool guy, a neuroscientist. Its seriously good.

Well fuck me, good show user. Look up Praxiteles and Polykleitos (paramikron) if you want to dig into the artistic refinements being shipped in from Greece that spurred the development of Etruscan paintings. I'm happy to keep rambling; what do you do? Teach me shit

Fitzgerald is my favorite and seems to be a favorite on Veeky Forums, because of a website comparing translations of Homer that marked him out as the best. The nice thing about Fitzgerald is that you can read the Iliad, Odyssey, and Aeneid in his voice, because he did all three.

dude eagleman is fucing crazy don't listen to this guy
literally an insane person but not in an interesting way. He's like the shamwow guy of transcendental philosophy preacher-types

guy has just clearly done a lot of acid. doesn't stop it being a good book

I got it on my list, now.
>the shamwow guy of transcendental philosophy preacher-types
that sounds neat.

>mind no longer bounded by universal properties
>choose to be born within a universe of your own conception
>tortured and loved by new entities who you, in your godhood, have created

Klossowski's Baphomet