What do you think of Julius Evola?

nutjob

He was a spirutual racist. He believed that culture and spirit were more important than biological race. That's why he criticized Mussolini from the Right.

Ride The Tiger doesn't have anything racist in it , I'm indian and I enjoyed reading it.

read the tiger book. thought it was interesting - would like to read more of the esotericism stuff

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Where do I start with Evola? Revolt or Ride the Tiger?

>massive, massive balls
im not familiar with evola, what do you mean by this?

Ride The Tiger is a shorter read . I recommend you start with that. As Revolt is his Magnus Opus.

ride the tiger worked fine for me - one thing that won't work is his wiki article; complete garbage

You seem lost, reddit is the other way

t. came in january from the_donald

Do you really think this is a marxist/leftist board? I've been coming here since ~2009 and there have always been countless traditionalist, catholic, and fascist threads. Usually the marx fans get laughed at

Can be very racist at times (at least for different reasons then the usual), but still a interesting writer, albeit batshit insane, but not in a way that detracts to much from his works.

Ride the Tiger while not the opus, is the best book desu to get into his mind set. Plus his writings let you understand far-right movements from a interesting and somewhat more accurate place, which as a plus. Even if your not far-right/fascist/Traditionalist, still worth time to read to get the "enemies" ideas.

that's because only 1 volume of his Introduction to Magic has been translated into Engrish, monoglot.

Rightist revisionism.

>He believed that culture and spirit were more important than biological race

This is how you know all the white nationalist pseuds who lionise Evola have never actually read him. His idea that individual character matters more than race is anathema to them.

his books on mountaineering are poetry, and i believe he was a truly antique mind, but he has been forever tainted by nazi fetishists.

I've only read the Doctrine of Enlightment and part of Men Among the Ruins, and his position, even if it has its obvious motivations, is at least consistently argued and fresh. When put in counterposition to Stirner, sparks fly. Personally, however he strikes me as a loser--not as a pathetic wimp, but as someone who defines himself a lot by the fact that his side of the battle lost, and so the world should just be abandoned.

Definitely someone I want to read more of however.

You're an idiot. During Evola's lifetime no white nation had the problem or concern of potentially not being a white nation since that was just the way it was, and to the extent that he put less of a focus on race was determined by the era because it went without saying that the only relevant race was the white / Aryan race. Don't try to fit things that don't fit into your modern jewish narrative.

Good collection of Evola's writing below.

juliusevola.co/library/

i wish he wrote warhammer 40k fiction

>the extent that he put less of a focus on race was determined by the era because it went without saying that the only relevant race was the white / Aryan race
Lol
>Don't try to fit things that don't fit into your modern jewish narrative
I'm going by what he actually wrote, you're the one twisting things to fit a narrative.

Indeed. For him (and all of his ilk), the daemon (or the entity carrying genetic substance) is chaotic substance to be "rectified" by authentic traditions, rites, and institutions. It was only in very controlled and ordered societies as such the ethnic stock became a defined condition for a caste; those who were without rites were without a race. It was in that sense the plebeians lacked ancestors.

Though, this isn't to say Evola imagined all phylogenetic traits to be of equal merit: counter-currents.com/2015/10/negrified-america/

but a society oriented toward the race would be "chthonic" and collectivist.

Can you tell me more about the other two? Summaries or title of articles please? I am a monoglot and have been interested for a while after reading the first volume of magic and his book on hermeticism/alchemy.

Blacks are so dysfunctional they don't pose, and never have posed, even a minor threat to whites stake on power. Jews are the main problem in that regard and Evola's writings on them is worth reading.

As to your lol, you can lol all you want but white are still the only people capable of creating high functioning civilizations and are responsible for 97% of the world's scientific achievements. No one else is relevant. Your jewish narrative doesn't work anymore, buddy.

Interesting. So his position is actually the reverse of typical intellectual racism, then? Id est, culture does not spring from a genetic basis, but rather genes are only important when culture has given them a certain "path"?

Science? You mean that materialist discipline mostly dominated by Jews? Yeah, I'm sure Evola would be proud of it, it's not like he wanted a total overhaul of Western society as it currently is.

Hardly. I'd get into the whole jewish nepotism thing when it comes to giving each other awards for stuff, but I know your only interest here is defending your tribe from people like me who are exposing it.

I'm not the guy you were duelling with, my dear user. And I don't have one drop of Jewish blood in my veins either.

>dat franco-germanic master race
>dat enlightened savage italian is c&a
>dat scandinavians really are dumb and thats what the blonde jokes were actually about

Here is a good read about what he meant.
toqonline.com/blog/julius-evolas-concept-of-race-a-racism-of-three-degrees/

White nationalists are generally lower class and Evola would have mocked them for not being aristocrats.

I wasn't assuming you were the same guy. And while I did assume you were jewish, I was just playing the odds. Instead you turned out to be a shabbos goy. Do you know what that is?

All knowledge of common anthropology is reconcilable with Evola's works and he acknowledged the superiority of the Nordic-Aryan race. He just didn't limit the Nordic race to mere anthropology and applied it to deeper levels of being. Even in the paper I linked above, he acknowledged a particular "aquiline" quality in the Native Americans and considered them to be, perhaps, superior to the "melting-pot" of contemporary Americans.

It's best not to see Evola as supporting a mere cultural orientation. In a nutshell, the goal of Tradition is to provide the necessary "channels" or conduits for chaotic forces of a civilization; and there are normative claims in this (despite his pseudo-Nietzscheanism) which you can refer to his Revolt to get an exhaustive view. As initiatory procedures are employed for a person to sublimate elemental forces like eros toward God, so the manifest order of society is to sublimate chaotic forces, some divine, others material. Often times, the warriors and heroes who succeeded at this proceeded with such a degree of respect and authority that their stocks later became defined races in themselves. A fortiori, abolishing the aristocracy is abolishing the homogeneity of those breeds of men. Hence, Evola's reactionary view has racist implications.

>Whites have higher IQs than blacks
"HAHAHA STUPID NIGGERS WE'RE THE BEST"
>Jews have higher IQs than whites
"I-It's n-nepotism and Jewish tricks, (((IQ))) doesn't matter anyway"

I could google it if I gave a damn, so please don't answer your own question. I'd rather preffer you to share something that indicates the writer we're discussing actually agrees with what you have to say about science.

You're making yourself look foolish. Jews do have higher average IQs than whites and I never said otherwise. However, there are numerically more high IQ whites than high IQ jews. Jews are also extremely tribal, hence their extreme nepotism, and jews are also semites who do very poor in spatial IQ studies, which contributes to their inability to think abstractly and creatively, and therefore innovatively.

I initially corrected the poster who tried to equate white nationalists' appreciation of Evola with the idea that Evola wouldn't agree with them by pointing out how the issues current white nationalists are concerned with weren't issues when Evola was alive. I also posted the link to Evola's library here: and there, and elsewhere, one will see that there is plenty white nationalists can relate to with Evola.

You're still evading the question.

Why are you trying to put out hoops for me to jump through with regard to a matter I didn't make a claim for or even bring up?

google translated summary, vol 2:

General index:

Doctrine:

The initiatory consciousness in the post-mortem
Overcoming Providence
Philosophers on the art of Hermes
Metaphysics of pain and illness
The 'wisdom' and the '' heroic 'and the Western Tradition
The woman and the initiation mode
The logic of the underground

Practice:
Chain Instructions
Magic Ritual
Solutions of pace and liberation
Magic of Creation
Magic of the junctions
Notes for the animation of the Centers
On "Water Corrosive"
Opus Magicum: The "diaphanous"
Magic of Statuettes
Notes on the occult morphology and spiritual corporeality

Experiences:
The Double and solar consciousness
Opposition contingent to spiritual development
Some effects of the magical discipline 'the dissociation of the mixed "

criticism:

Of the Western Tradition. On the 'Fedeli d'Amore secret language "
Tradition and Creation
Noterelle asceticism and sull'Antieuropa
The esotericism and the overcoming of morality
On the Nordic-Atlantic tradition
Position and the conflict between natural science and magic
Idealism and metaphysics

Texts:
The Golden Verses (trans. By Tikaipos)
Three songs (trad. Resnevic and Je)
Turba Philosophorum
Perspectives (trad. Vendis)
A magical conjure pay

Misc:

A Solar will (poem)
Soil Song (poem)
Kirilloff and initiation
The Names of Virtues.
Glosses
The Magic, Master and Singing
Desire and Magic / Sense of Rite / Feelings and realization / Advances physical Alchemy
Natural Science and Magic / Organize knowledge / On Mortification
Prodigies and Past / Lunar Initiation and hierarchy

The thread is about Evola, user. Whatever claims you want to make or defend, are by default oriented to him; otherwise you're simply being off-topic.

So if you claim that race relations weren't a problem during his time, and that's why the other guy's point doesn't apply, but then talk about how whites are the best because of science, even though in my limited knowledge science was to Evola far from completely good, and you put Western as in danger of some degeneration, despite the degeneration being of those parts the author didn't think worth saving anyway, then who the hell are you talking about? You're just proving the other guy right. All your doing is using Evola's name to further your own narrative, even when it doesn't apply at all.

vol 1, (since the English version does not follow the originals)

General index
Doctrine:

aristocracy meaning
The Aurora West
II Mechanism of consciousness
What it is "Reality metaphysics"
heroic and sports Symbols
L '' Origin of Species' according esotericism
The noise
Catholicism and esotericism
spiritual and temporal power authority
The Hermetic Tradition
The Tree Serpent and the Titans
The Lord of the vortex and the absolute Individual
The four bodies in Man

Practice:
The cloud and stone
modern and oriental initiation Initiation
On "Law Bodies'
human and cosmic rhythms Rhythms
Human Transmutation and metals
The Magic Victory
Starting Magic according to G. Kremmerz
sacrificial action Knowledge
Notes on the action in the passions

Experiences:
Experiences: The Crown of Light
Experiences
Experiences chain
Awakening
First Ascent
The scene and the scenes

Esoteric Culture:
Poetry and Realization
On an arithmetic oracle and the consciousness behind the scenes
On the northern-Atlantic symbolism of '' year '
On the Magic role in Hindu speculation
magical phenomena and psychic phenomena
The "Feathered Serpent"
The "primitive cultures" and the magical science

lyrics:
Song of Fire
flowering
From "Song of the time and seed»

Texts:
From Clavis Philosophiae Chemisticae Dorn
Human Dignity (Pico della Mirandola)
pagan wisdom Maxims (Plotinus)

Various Glosses:
Difficult to believe / Who saw the "gods" / Men and gods
Glosses various
On immoralists, the blacks and white-blacks wizards, the "Red Cross", the pacts, fear and more
See not want to see / Ways to Vacuum / The Master and eye / Evasion and Krishnamurti / Fascism and collective influences / Posthumous

he was right about literally everything

haven't got the table of contents for the 3rd volume online, but it contains much the same mix of stuff; alchemical texts; Hindu alchemy; initiation, magic, the Grail, symbolism, on poetry, consciousness, paganism, the Roman tradition, comparative mythology, etc , magic according to Crowley, Kremmerz, that kind of thing.

send Inner Traditions a load of emails and pester them to translate and publish the rest. it might just work.

>being """racist""" invalidates an author
are there people here who actually think this?

Evola was one of the last great 19th century dabblers who tried to subject all religions to his/her own pet esoteric Theory of Everything. His ideas are a mutation of Theosophy, with a little more rigour and philosophical texture.

His interpretation of Buddhism in "Doctrine of Awakening" is bullshit, he was clearly a dilettante who didn't know what he was talking about. He presents a conspiracy theory that the No-Self doctrine (one of the 3 characteristics of reality in all schools of Buddhism) is a perversion of the Buddha's true teaching, which was something more like the Hindu Atman. Totally baseless, perverse and self-serving argument to spread obfuscatory nonsense.

>His interpretation of Buddhism in "Doctrine of Awakening" is bullshit, he was clearly a dilettante who didn't know what he was talking about.

untrue.

and let me tell you this, even when Evola was manifestly incorrect about one aspect or other of Buddhism, his critiques are still highly interesting.

you've got the anatta thing arseways too.

plus his work has a practical value of its own, or perhaps you hadn't noticed.

pic related: review of his Doctrine from one of the foremost specialists of the day (IB Horner)

Hopefully these volumes are translated and released for us in the future.

You may dislike him personally, but to claim he was a dilettante or was a mere dabbler in esoterism or doctrines of the East is totally baseless. Despite the controversial aspects of his character, his Doctrine of Awakening has been immensely praised for how rigorous and true to the doctrines it is. Lest you put forth your own works that you deem "authentic"?

>Hopefully these volumes are translated and released for us in the future.

>send Inner Traditions a load of emails and pester them to translate and publish the rest. it might just work.

this

the ability to be able to accept that someone else has racist views *and you can deal with that* is what makes you infinitely more anti-racist than getting massively triggered and being paranoid about everything

giving a fuck about racism is what feeds something that can begin to die yesterday

Consider it done.

So you are a poor reader, a hypocrite, and an online tone policeman? My, that's some combo.

If you actually had an interest in *not* taking the conversation off-topic then you wouldn't be doing exactly that by misreading my statements, failing to acknowledge you did so, then attempting to scold me about what you yourself have now done twice.

And you have the nerve to ask me what I'm talking about? Is this some postmodern rhetorical technique you're trying out or are you really this unaware of your own bullshit?

this. I read him during my far right phase, still love him.

those interested in Evola's racialist works can find many articles here on same, among other things:
evolaasheis.wordpress.com/

also, if you want more translations of his more controversial stuff (which jewish-owned Inner Traditions won't touch) then put your money where your mouth is and support independent translators & publishers who do. (previous link; Arktos, etc)

more articles on this old site, circa 2014: web.archive.org/web/*/thompkins_cariou.tripod.com

Unless this is some formally-declared "sub-board" of leftypol, then no. We have Marxists, we have Fascists, we have libertarians, and so forth. There is no specific political inclination of this board, so fuck off. I could respect you Marxists and your place here on Veeky Forums if you showed threads that oppose your ideology somehow similar respect

I wouldn't be "misreading" your statements, if your "statements" were something beside insults and accusations against a perceived Other, had citations, and actually had something to do with the topic of the thread and not your hurt sensibilities.

All you had to do was answer one question on the author, prove your authority with even the smallest source, and poof, I wouldn't even mind admitting you're right. But instead you keep spouting /pol/-ish lingo, which only makes it harder to take you seriously.

You're really digging yourself a hole, buddy. And I've never posted on pol so we'll go ahead and add that statement to your growing list of goofs in this thread.

I'm not going to do what you're trying to get me to do because it again has nothing to do with the statements I made, the points I addressed, and the individual(s) I was addressing them to. And since you weren't one of those individuals, what the fuck are even doing, man?

You're literally a third party who inserted himself into a conversation he wasn't involved with then started asking for proof about points that were never made within that conversation, which, again, you had nothing to do with.

Are you insane?

>perceived Other

>I've never posted on pol so we'll go ahead and add that statement to your growing list of goofs in this thread.
Fine, do so, since you're the one keeping the records here. I don't care who did what, I'm here because Evola is someone I'm interested in.

>it again has nothing to do with the statements I made, the points I addressed, and the individual(s) I was addressing them to.
Perfect, but all those things have almost nothing to do with the thread topic so please take it somewhere else.

>You're literally a third party who inserted himself into a conversation he wasn't involved with then
Oh I'm sorry, I didn't know this was a private anonymous imageboard. I thought it was fine for anyone to chip on the usual conversation on the Jewish conspiracy against the white race.

>Are you insane?
Why would it matter?

There's a quote of his that says a white might be spiritually a jew, and a jew spiritually a white.
You wanna be white nationalist/natsoc, so be it. But don't rationalize things which disagree with your claims. Your (never happening cuz it's impractical and historically and spiritually inaccurate) wn society will fail if you ignore errors in your thinking.

Wat wat

>spiritually inaccurate
hmmm

Veeky Forums is a literature board, we discuss things here instead of creating an echo chamber of mutual masturbation.

You are a pathetic individual, I just want you to know that before I help you further your education.

>all those things have almost nothing to do with the thread topic
If you spent less time bickering with people about topics you claim to have an interest in you might realize that they have a lot to do with the thread topic. For instance:

>the usual conversation on the Jewish conspiracy
First of all, there's no conspiracy because the information is all out in the open, but this topic and the others are ones Evola wrote a good deal on:

>Evola focuses on the bourgeoisie as the chief source of the democratic degeneration of modern Europe just as his discussion of the “occult” dimensions of the ongoing subversion helps one to concentrate on the international Jewry as the principal agents of subversion

counter-currents.com/2014/12/kuehnelt-leddihn-and-evola/

Here's an entire 5000 word essay on Evola and the jewish question:

counter-currents.com/2015/07/the-jewish-question-in-the-spiritual-world/

Have you read it? I have.

Evola on racism and antisemitism:

counter-currents.com/2015/07/racism-and-anti-semitism/

More:

counter-currents.com/2013/10/races-of-the-soul-spirit-in-judaism/

counter-currents.com/2010/10/the-relationship-between-judaism-and-freemasonry/

Now shut up.

Only took 66 replies to get the correct one. I daresay Veeky Forums is improving.

Oh, you read a quote, huh? And you think that encapsulates Evola's perspective on jews, don't you?

See:

I don't think you understood the meaning behind that quote tbqhwy: while this scenario is theoretically possible, for the sake of argument, it is practically impossible, since by definition the higher cannot be derived from the lower.

you need to do more than read meme-quotes and crapola from middle-of-the-road Evola apologists (like HT Hakl and co.)

you seem like a well-read young lad, do yourself a favour and check the 2 links I posted above. more of the same stuff, plus you can get a better translation of 3 Aspects in book form too.

here's the first one again, the introduction is much more thorough than Hakl's whitewash job for Men Among the Ruins. evolaasheis.wordpress.com/

Thanks for the articles user, I'll read them tomorrow. Also, the last one is broken.

I still want my question on science to be answered though.

Face it, guy. You're an under educated pleb who came in here asking to have your hand held and made a series of demands because you didn't like what you were hearing about groups like the jews. You forced me through your childish behavior to spam you with a bunch of information you were too lazy or afraid to seek out yourself.

That's fine. I'm happy to if it gives white people an incentive to look into the jewish problem because that's all I ultimately care about. All I will ask is that in the future you not counter-signal like you did in this thread those who speak out against or spread information about the jewish problem.

I appreciate it, and will. I haven't had time to delve deeper into some of the esoteric stuff even though that's what I'm most interested in these days.

Here's a link to all of them and more that counter currents put out last month:

counter-currents.com/2017/05/remembering-julius-evola-6/

vocaroo.com/i/s1RC5i1mnK1x

Ach, user, all I wanted was for you to answer one simple question. I apologise if I was obtuse, because that's just bad manners, but you have to admit you're pretty fixated yourself; that's only going to get you in trouble, by being on it at all times all you're doing is wasting energy. Have the patience to wait for the right moment to strike.

What do you guys think of pic related?

It recommends to start with Hermetic Tradition for the path I'm taking. Has anyone read it? I am about 25 pages in, and I feel like it is really interesting so far, but I genuinely feel like I am not capable of understanding most of what he's writing.

It seems like I genuinely might simply not be smart enough to understand some of it, and I find myself progressing through it very slowly. Should I just keep reading it? Is there anyone else that read it that help give me an explanation of what I need to get everything out of it?

maybe give that a miss unless you're interested in alchemy.

read some essays and articles online to get a flavour, then Meditations on the Peaks, Metaphysics of War (shorter essays) and you'll begin to get a taste for the bigger picture.

I don't think about him at all

Maybe I will skip it, but the person in the pic made it clear that he thinks it's the most important book to read...

I've never read the greeks, is that why I'm a brainlet?

Best Italian philosopher of the last century.
Underrated because 'fascism is bad' meme. Was abandoned both by young fascists and academic culture.
Possibly the loneliest man on earth.
Still asked to be raised from his deathbed so that he could die standing.
He did.

that's a recommendation, nothing more, nothing less.

up to you dude

I appreciate it but I'm left with two conflicting opinions

can a third person please make the final decision for me thanks

>not cut out to be an evolian, or non-manlet non-brainlet for that matter

I am a brainlet and a manlet, what is evolas opinion on suicide? Would he recommend I kill myself if not cut out to be an evolian?

Would reading the Greeks cure me?

i doubt you qualify: counter-currents.com/2013/05/the-right-to-ones-own-life-in-east-andwest/

read the Greeks (and the Romans - the Stoics, Cato, Cicero), read Evola, they complement each other.

ok thanks

He would likely recommend monklike self-discipline and obedience to a higher cause. You don't need to be a hotshot at anything for that.

>He would likely recommend monklike self-discipline and obedience to a higher cause.

Can you expand on how to do this? I have little self discipline and no higher cause

keep reading him, user. esp. Ride The Tiger and the Doctrine of Awakening.

Here's a problem. Should we allow lies amidst us? Lies that detract from conversation and thread subject, claims that remain and are repeated no matter the objection? Or should we show to the poor readers and lurkers that they can't show this type of behavior here?

maybe he's referring to him taking walks during bombing raids because he liked the atmosphere

>Usually the marx fans get laughed at
this never happened before 2016 actually

>best italian philosopher of the last century
giorgio agamben would like to have a word with you