Social Justice Literature

Coates is a stupid ape, we've known this.

In interested in reading the books that inform mainstream progressives even if I'm not exactly fond of the ideas themselves.

>reading derrick bell
>wondering how anyone could base a whole theory off of such a horrid string of tenuous arguments
>hurr durr cuz we made restaurants take down "no blacks allowed" signs that means the first amendment is less important than my race whinging

what do you mean by the "numbers problem" ?

>already
We're living in the Post-Reddit era.

Disproportionate education in their populations.
Like we should deny there's a inclination to crime in that circumstance. Most of it is dishonest but noble writing (perhaps selfishly so) that is written by people with a privilege they don't even fully know. It's kind of the trick of the thing.
When that gets addressed I'll be more concerned with making real action to help i guess.
Right now I think we're heading in that direction. It all starts with lip service.

It's pretty easy to understand once you realize the ideology of the contemporary zeitgeist is following the jewish "permanent revolution" model, wherein anything considered traditional or historically normal is inverted, deemed "progress" by the entrenched establishment, and socially enforced by the strict hand of institutions and talking heads that browbeat anyone opposed to these new policies as being "against progress" and therefore immoral and evil, because that's what you have to be if you're impeding what is, obviously, "progress," even though those policies are literally destroying western civilization.

If you're referring to The New Jim Crow, Michelle Alexander is a black woman. She is not writing from a position of privelege.

And in regards to "disproportionate education in their populations," I would argue that that is a direct result of institutional discrimination. Saying that we should not advocate for the marginalized because they lack education is absurd.

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I'm also interested in why you call the writing "dishonest." It is well research and supported by pages of citations.

Not all black women are made the same. She was likely very educated, which is kinda my point. Educated black people speaking for a black population that on the whole tends to not value education. We as white people have been doing our job to repair the institutional discrimination in giving a voice to these select few but it's not our responsibility to just give them things. It doesn't solve the problem.
Notice that their very own institutions do very little to help themselves. We need to be good examples not just a social-crutch.

It's all factual I'm sure but there is so much crucial bullshit that is ignored in these sorts of things.

You clearly have not read the book and have no more than a child's level of understanding of sociology

Aren't black women the most academically credentialed as a percentage of their demographic cohort in the US? That says more about our joke of an education system than anything else, and most of those black women are dying childless due to the criminality of their counterparts.

Anyway, it's never going to work. The gap is too big between blacks and whites, and whites have wasted trillions on blacks with little to no progress. A separation is needed.

What "crucial bullshit" is ignored?

You seem to be arguing that white people have done their part to help the minorities and so they need not do more. You fail to understand that "white people" as an institution is the reason that minorities (especially black males) are in such a terrible position in society. If you actually believe that "white people have been doing [their] job to repair the institutional discrimination" you are completely misinformed and ignorant

>it's the man's fault I commit crimes

lol you're trolling me. I'm out

I really wasn't, but all right.

>You fail to understand that "white people" as an institution
What does even mean?
I never anything to black people. I don't owe then a damn thing.

*did

"as an institution"

"I never did anything to black people"

There is a massive difference between the individual and the institution

I'm not saying you personally did anything

Read the book and you'll know what I mean. It's really a good book and worth reading, whether or not you agree with it (although you haven't read it yet so how could you know whether you agree with it)

It's on pirate bay so you don't even have to pay for it

what is her prescribed solution?

Look at this Vietnamese namefag, or whoever he is, trying to put the collective blame for things like slavery on whites. Do you know less than 3% of whites owned slaves and that jewish merchants had way more of a hand in bringing blacks to America than whites ever did? No, of course not. Lehman Brothers and the Monsanto family (both jewish) got their start as slavers, and now their descendants are pushing all the blame on whites. But this is merely one example of despicable jewish behavior.

>"white people" as an institution is the reason that minorities (especially black males) are in such a terrible position in society
It's a cultural problem. You need to aggressively impose white cultural values (not superficial shit like food and clothes, but things like goals in life, problem solving, responsibility, etc) on blacks for them to perform adequately in a society built on white cultural values. It's not like any amount of affirmative action will help if the whole society is tailored for people who think like whites. And changing society won't work either, because I've yet to see examples of highly organised black societies.

By the way, if it means anything to you, Noam Chomsky recommends the book as one that any and every American who takes any sort of interest in their cultural history needs to read. I sent him an email about it and he answered with a suggestion of a criticism to read.

"Seems to me generally convincing. There are some criticisms that seem worth considering, e.g., James Forman’s work on black community support for stern measure of policing and incarceration (not surprising, since they are often the victims of criminal activity)." - Noam

Since you have not read it, here is a very brief summary:

She explains that the current US criminal justice system, fueled by the War on Drugs, serves to oppress minorities - black men, especially - in a way similar to the old Jim Crow system. It is simply the latest evolution, she argues, of a system of racism and discrimination in the US which is constantly evolving against threats of social reform. The common belief in the US, as fortified by propaganda (see: high school), is to believe that racism and discrimination were resolved with the Civil Rights Movement. It is clear, however, that that is not the case, given, for example, the widespread support for the current administration, which is obviously racist. Alexander argues that because the criminal justice system is legally and constitutionally “colorblind,” it is difficult to notice, and almost impossible to prove, that it is essentially racist. However, if one looks closely, as she did, one discovers weak points that are being exploited to an astonishing degree to funnel minorities into the penal system and keep them locked, even after their release, in a system which limits their potential for employment, housing, and social services. It is a sneaky and dangerous continuation of the United States's tradition of racial oppression, and it is largely unnoticed.

Potential solutions are prison reform and addressing the deeper issues that underlie criminal activity (e.g. education, child rearing, home life, etc)

>which is obviously racist.
No?

Do you have a source? Or are you just vomiting racist rhetoric?

And are jews not white?

spongebob

Not even debatable

>are jews not white
They are white when it suits them, and minorities when it suits them.

>(((chomsky)))
>(((froman)))
Listen up, Charlie. There are already enough jews trying to push anti-white jewish propaganda on here. We don't need slopes jumping in and trying to do the same. Got it?

prison reform I'll agree with to some extent. I believe in a more rehabilitative process.
The other shit, as i've been saying since the beginning is compounded with a bunch of "crucial bullshit" in their culture that is just as easy to ignore as our so-called institutional racism. Truth is, life isn't fair and has some very ugly undercurrents and you just gotta deal with it.
There are a lot of myths about slavery as well. The real root problem probably began more than 1000 years ago.

"Just gotta deal with it" Easy to say when you're fucking white. I feel like I'm arguing with a 14 year old

Of course the problem began a long time ago. How does that make any of this better?

Name one anti-black thing Trump has done.

"Racism" is a fake word used to browbeat whites. You need to check yourself, Hanoi Bob, and stop regurgitating jewish propaganda here.

lol but the jews have been continually persecuted since the beginning of civilization. I have a hard time blaming them for anything

It's not like you really have a choice.
There is actually a lot of wisdom in basic teenage revelations. Especially when it comes to issues that are way out of our control.
From the beginning i've said, let them figure it out. We'll be here listening but don't expect us to bend over backwards.

b8

Go home everybody, he gave himself away.

Watch spongebob retard

oh my god you are 14. fuck off

There's a reason why jews have been kicked out of 100+ countries, and it's because of their behavior, not because other people have persecuted them.

the paradox of this post made my head hurt.
I love the jews and consider many to be heroes but you gotta understand they're not necessarily any better than anyone else. They have their own issues stemming from their religion just like all the others.

Granted, they have been acting like cunts recently. But the fact is that they have been the victims for most of history. Which makes it all the more ironic

>I love the jews and consider many to be heroes
wew my good lad

I'm 14 because I'm realistic and believe in self-reliance and practical utilitarianism. Okay.

Where did I say they were better than anyone else?

LOL
you are a child right?
nothing fucking changed you moron.

you said you had a hard time blaming them for anything.
I'd blame them for just about everything bad you can say about capitalism. They essentially created it.
smart people, dont get me wrong but they play a large role in all of this.

Your entire philosophy is "pick yourself up by your bootstraps," a belief system has been the butt of the joke for the last 50 years

>I love the jews and consider many to be heroes
Stop being a cuck. Jews hate you and view you as a member of their cattle. You're what they call a "shabbos goy." Wise up to the JQ, bud.

It's nothing recent, Ho Chi Minh. They've been doing the same shit since Egyptian times.

watch spongebob retard

there are degrees to it but I think this blanket lie has some truth in it has led to some of our country's great successes over the years, the same successes that even enable you to give a shit about these sorts of things youre concerned with

The exception that proves the rule. Please educate yourself

I know a lot of good jewish people. I know a lot of good black people too.
Am I going to say I don't see the problems with their populations in society? No, but i dont blame them all for it.
Dumb kids like OP have probably never met an authentic "hood" citizen and are just kinda naive to the issue.

you're naive bud.
Your whole stance is paradoxical by that same logic. It's kinda why I stand where I do. Youre fighting an endless fight.

OP here. I work daily with "hood" citizens. I am not arguing that the individual is not responsible to a degree - if I did blame all their problems on society I would be robbing them of their agency as human beings. I am arguing that there are social issues at the root of criminal activity and that we need to address those issues for the sake of society as a whole. It is in all and each of our best interests

Explain

Your lens to reality is skewed because you're a European man who views people individually, and assume they think the same as you, when they don't. Jews are known as "the tribe." They are semites and their actions are determined solely by what's best for their tribe. Read the Culture of Critique before you rush to defend jews online please. It's a very important book that will assist you in understanding the issue here.

ugh then youre only into this for some ego career shit.
fuck off you predatory love-seeking leech.

What do you do for work? Best Buy?

book is garbage, people in the african-american community asked for those harsh sentences on drug dealers, then when it back fired they blamed it all on whitey

I actually read the book in high school and thought it was interesting but didnt understand parts of it at the time.
But no, I am european but i have some jewish characteristics and know some very powerful jewish people who just dont fit into the stereotype (they are rich but culturally progressive anti-zionists)

I'm a lawyer.

it's funny how jews can be both blamed for communism and capitalism at the same time.

What kind of lawyer

>70 / 1 / 15 / 1
lmfao

why are you talking to yourself

well it's true.
Jews are smart and were frequently associated with money and politics.

you're like a black guy who blames everything on the whites

if i said criminal defense would you be triggered?

>a belief system has been the butt of the joke for the last 50 years
Ah, I now see what's the key problem of our culture of the last 50 years. Seriously, relying on oneself first and foremost, and taking responsibility for one's life, is what being an adult is about.

I'm not blaming them. I'm just stating the facts.
they're both good ideas that can easily go wrong. It's not a coincidence the jews are involved is all I'm saying,

>muh boostraps

but what about da jooz? they keepin a strong white brotha down!

Feeling the personal responsibility for your life is a prerequisite for opposing the jews. Same applies for the black-white relationship, in fact.

Jewish characteristics? Meaning jewish blood?

I'm impressed that you tried to read it in high school, I really am. You should give it another go and try to understand that this is not about anecdotes from your personal life or individual jews you know; if that's how you perceive reality you'll never understand much of anything. The debate about the JQ regards group dynamics and strategy. Jews are so successful because they utilize a group strategy, but this comes at the expense of whites who think individualistically and are therefore unable to comprehend that jews are using that group strategy against them, against us. Jews are actively opposed to your interests. Try not to allow the nice jew down the street to blind you from seeing this.

Does anyone else really hate books about and by niggers and women?

I just look kinda jewy I guess. No Jewish blood as far as i'm aware. I am good with money however.
And yeah i read it based on an r9k recommendation way back in like 2008 in a similar thread.
I don't knock their social strategy, I actually think it's what the blacks should do, it works and I could see how it could be mutually beneficial if approached properly (an inevitability i think).

>he didn't feel anything for the cops and firefighters who died on 9/11.

Well I guess he'll understand if I feel nothing when random black criminals get shot dead by the police.

you think italians don't do the same shit? italians are another tribal people who wage war on everyone else. deal with it.

Italians are like more wholesome and human Jews, I like them
Sicilians are Moorish nigger mongrels though

That's not what the expression means. Because you obviously don't understand it, "Pulling yourself up by your bootstraps" is ironic because it's physically impossible to bend down and lift on your bootstraps and lift yourself off the ground. It's a metaphor.

they just seem greasy and obnoxious

>(they are rich but culturally progressive anti-zionists)
What does their anti-zionism boil down to?
Do they give money to Palestinian charities, for example?
Does their cultural progressiveness include marrying non-Jewish women or encouraging Jewish women to marry men of a dark complexion?

It's funny how arguments can pass through one ear and out the other, producing a tickling sensation.

They work behind desks and maintain solidarity behind closed doors. That's all it boils down to. No master plan, just a general scramble to get to positions of authority and to assist their kin in the same. They'll support anything that lets them get a leg up.

The naivety of the whole "hurr both capitalism and communism" argument is almost touching. People who make it literally cannot imagine being habitually insincere and two-faced.

>subscribing holistically to a loose-fitting metaphor/analogy to discredit a totally rational opinion
ok.

I think you should delve back into understanding the jewish problem. There's a lot more too it than I'm inclined to believe you think there is, and a lot of work has been done on it since the CofC came out, which was actually a long time ago. Kevin Macdonald, the author, runs the website theoccidentalobserver.net , that's a good source of information.

It's quite a bit different. Italians are Europeans, and they aren't running our banks, NGOs, major govt lobbying groups, our media, Hollywood, and the porn industry, etc., and using those things to subvert western society.

That's exactly what you are doing

get the fuck out of my board you stupid namefag cunt.

If anything my jewish associates have euro-fetishes. They love beautiful white women and make sensitive, self-aware and biting racial jokes at blacks and their own expenses.
They dont give to palestinians in order to maintain complete neutrality (btw the palestinians take it as an insult.
They just avoid zionist pressures from their peers I guess. They dont actively support that country in any way.

Read some books, volunteer, graduate high school. Your opinions will change, I guarantee it. For now, take comfort in the fact that you don't have to pay rent or work to survive

>Italians are Europeans, and they aren't running our banks, NGOs, major govt lobbying groups, our media, Hollywood, and the porn industry, etc., and using those things to subvert western society.

white people would argue they are "Mediterraneans" who are undermining free countries with their authoritarian ideology of "catholicism" which is more oriental than european, also italians control many industries like construction, waste management, shipping, etc. there's a reason every city with a critical mass of italians is corrupt as all hell

actually the opposite happened.
My friend is black and super poor and he pays 50 dollars for his rent and practically gets his education for free from the city college.

He's still in school I graduated in half the time using my middle-class advantage and am now living comfortably and fully employed in a meaningful profession. I'm sure he'll catch up but in a way I kinda see how it evens out.