Who's the smartest person to have ever lived? My vote goes to this guy

gauss

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Why are Marxist theorists so fucking smart?

Leibniz, Wittgenstein, David Hilbert, John von Neumann.

The obvious answer is Tesla....

same

i know right

Either Leibniz or von Neumann

I wonder how many women their would be in this thread if they were allowed in academia back then. My bet is atleast 45%.

Have you seen how he triggers feminists? I bet he has IQ above 160

Mozart.

Good post neet

I'd like to add how many assholes are remembered by chance influence and that if you write for idiots ur guaranteed a large audience. Where popularity/influence, and actual worthiness intersect you will find what OP is asking for

Newton the stuff that he discovered/created was light years beyond the contemporary understandings.

It's either Aristotle or Aquinas. People say a lot about Aquinas but I don't think they appreciate the incredible memory he had. Around the time his family kidnapped him and tried to buy him a prostitute he found himself locked in his room with nothing to do so he decided to memorize the entire bible, and he did it. It's insane.

Tfw we know capitalism sucks the life force out of the poor and pumps it into the asses of degenerate egyptian slave runaways and people fetishize commodities because market psychology exploits our lovelocks, yet we live and act in the world according to it regardless of our staunch Marxism

#ideologyworks

Wow, a marxist that names the jew? That's something you don't see often nowadays.

Me, Im the smartest

hagiography

Euler desu

This, it's either Euler or maybe Newton.

me, desu

Newton literally copied most of his physics from existing academic work you twat

The Jew exists, except it's the Bourgeois and has little to nothing to do with Judaism

t. buttblasted Leibniz fan, probably a toothless continental European

My vote goes to Goethe. Some estimations place his IQ at a whopping 210 - I've seen others rank it higher. Many authorities believe he was the most intelligent human being to have ever lived. A polymath, wrote a story in 7 different languages when he was 10. Brilliance incarnate.
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Hugo Grotius or Euler

>egyptian
>slave
>runaways

Has it occurred to any of you that the actual person to hold this distinction might have eschewed fame altogether, or simply did not come into existence in a time where his or her achievements could have been recorded for posterity?

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>Hehe...I bet these guys don't realize this one flaw in the discussion they're having. Better point it out for some easy upvotes. This will be epic!

Who hasn't thought that? And who also hasn't thought it pointless to think it? Tree falling in the woods and all that.

I'll invoke Carlyle here and say the great man can't avoid being a great man.

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I thought of that. Could be some 20 year old in a year 200 village who died early of some disease.

But the person who is the smartest who have ever lived can never be objectively "the one", and this hypothetical village boy would only be the smartest depending on which definitions you choose for what smart means and how it's quantified. Raw processing power, capacity to make insightful abstractions, or achievements? This boy maybe because of his circumstances, while having great capacity, wasn't ever given the chance to achieve something truly great and be counted as the smartest. This boy could be the smartest in 2 out of 100 definitions you choose, unfortunate because of his circumstances, meanwhile Plato maybe is the smartest in 50 out of the same 100 different definitions you choose for what smart actually is.

*ends this entire thread*

Your explanation makes a lot of sense, actually.

Thank you, thank you. Maybe we all are the smartest in one or two of those different definitions, some type of mathematical formula some AI comes up with in the future that incorporates every factor and quality that goes into a minds greatness? Amount of neurons, divided by the formula for life achievement times the amount of influential people in ones upbringing... But a million times more complex.

It's a bit of a rabbit hole to think of everything you'd have to account for when making as optimal a way to quantify smartness as possible

I don't blame you. If I were retarded I'd be upset constantly, not just some days.

Let me explain why I'd recommend this book to everyone: Plato is stupid.

Seriously.

And it's important that you all understand that Western society is based on the fallacy-ridden ramblings of an idiot. Read this, understand that he is not joking, and understand that Plato is well and truly fucked in the head.

Every single one of his works goes like this:

SOCRATES: "Hello, I will now prove this theory!"
STRAWMAN: "Surely you are wrong!"
SOCRATES: "Nonsense. Listen, Strawman: can we agree to the following wildly presumptive statement that is at the core of my argument?" {Insert wildly presumptive statement here— this time, it's "There is such a thing as Perfect Justice" and "There is such a thing as Perfect Beauty", among others.}
STRAWMAN: "Yes, of course, that is obvious."
SOCRATES: "Good! Now that we have conveniently skipped over all of the logically-necessary debate, because my off-the-wall crazy ideas surely wouldn't stand up to any real scrutiny, let me tell you an intolerably long hypothetical story."
{Insert intolerably long hypothetical story.}
STRAWMAN: "My God, Socrates! You have completely won me over! That is brilliant! Your woefully simplistic theories should become the basis for future Western civilization! That would be great!"
SOCRATES: "Ha ha! My simple rhetorical device has duped them all! I will now go celebrate by drinking hemlock and scoring a cameo in Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure!"

The moral of the story is: Plato is stupid.

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Nietzsche

How do they estimate a persons IQ like that?

They make it up
Because he is a polymath they assume the IQ was very high

Plato is impossible to understand if you're autistic. Certain people just can't understand the dialogue format so things genuinely do look like "strawmans." I see a hint of this in Vox Day when he talks about how he doesn't like Plato and accuses him of "cheating," whatever that's supposed to mean.

I don't understand why people think like this. Plato generally isn't trying to portray the arguments of other people but is portraying his own views and the process that he took to formulate them. An additional purpose of the dialogue is to educate and instruct the laymen. All we currently have of Plato is the dialogues but that isn't all he wrote, there were all sorts of lectures that were lost. Aristotle is the opposite, all we have are his lectures and stuff like that while his dialogues were lost to time.

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Solid post

You don't have to be a Marxist to know this.

Jesus. He knew the unknowable.

This
Am also very fond of Francis Burton & Nabokov

I'm naive enough to believe that if a person has an important purpose then it will be fulfilled.

>pumps it into the asses of degenerate egyptian slave runaways
Those things don't have life force either. They abort nearly all of their unborn.

Once you realize that the NPCs are "strawmen", it all makes sense.

No he didn't, God knows the unknowable, but Jesus isn't God

>any of the greeks
>smartest

They literally just got the low hanging fruits of the fields they were interested in. Just because they were at the start, doesn't make them smart

Jesus is God. Are you Jewish?

If he's God, why is he referred to as being God's son?

This is the only answer

So you've never heard of the Trinity? Jesus is God but not the Father, and the Father is God but not the Son, and so on.

This guy, Newton, Von Neumann, Goethe always get my vote

No one even took this bait.

The Trinity is wrong

Not insane, it's actually pretty common in history for learned men to memorize entire texts, like the Koran or some epic.

You could add the Koran, the Iliad, and the Odyssey into one book and it still wouldn't be as long as the 73 book bible that Aquinas would have been using.

Hitler.

Came from nothing. Minimally educated. Born outside his nation. Wrote blueprint to turn his shitty nation around while utterly defeated in prison. Moves to his highly regimented, aristocratic nation and seizes power as a fucking nobody peasant. Nearly conquers the world and is only stopped by the most powerful nations on earth teaming up to defeat him.

Humanity lost when Hitler was defeated.

This

Just an example of multiple intelligence theory.

An incompetent in almost everything except interpersonal relationships.

>except interpersonal relationships

Someone hasn't read about Stefanie

I am perfectly aware of that instance. It does not cancel out Rohm praising him with his last breath, to which Hitler probably rolled his eyes.

Plato, St. John the Apostle, St. Thomas Aquinas, Descartes, Goethe

That's Plato idiot

>Nearly conquers the world and is only stopped by the most powerful nations on earth teaming up to defeat him.
He could have been assassinated multiple times but the allies knew that he'd have been replaced by someone who wasn't incompetent.

>Just because they were at the start, doesn't make them smart

>modern philosophy is still playing catch up with Plato

It is my understanding that Hitler became Reichskanzler because

1. At the time, Nationalism was widespread through the work of other parties that were not the NSDAP, but similar.

2. The doctrine of Fascism, which was adopted by the NSDAP.

3. The NSDAP appealed to the unemployed, who could easily become members of the SA. Indeed, the first members of the SA were the militia left over from the German army after the downsizing of said army, leaving several unemployed Freikorps soldiers, who eventually joined the SA under Ernst Roehm.

This is despite him never completing his Realschulabschluss. Indeed, if he had, he may have been an assistant to an architect or have worked in architecture somehow, only seeing Albert Speer from a distance. He was, however, an avid reader and because of this I must assume that he must have had reasonably exceptional cognitive ability.

I do not think Mein Kampf added much to the emergence of Fascism or a Fascist off spring such as National Socialism in Germany at the time. There was always going to be a Nationalist/ Fascist Il Duce in Germany, it just happened to be the leader of the NSDAP.

Gauss, Von Neumann, Newton, Knee-che and Aristotele.

All Jewish lies.

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I don't want to be LE STEM guy, but Gauss and Euler were clearly the smartest men who ever lived, so much that their career is borderline uncomprehensible even for the most talented mathematicians of our time: how the fuck is it possible that Gauss actually lived and walked on this Earth, doing what he did?

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This desu

This, among a few other Mathematical geniuses. There's really no comparison once you reach a certain level, but math is the foundation on which all the giants stand

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This guy.

Newton, Wagner, Shakespeare, Spinoza, Aquinas, Aristotle

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What mathematician inspired millions to take up arms and kill and die for his vision of a better world? That is the greatest test of genius, everything else is a quaint hobby to pass the time while waiting to die in obscurity.

I think the American post-modernists are honestly some of the most intelligent and most talented people who've ever lived: Gass, Gaddis, McElroy, etc

I'd argue it's impossible define a single person as the smartest ever. Point being, several thousand years of human existence means that intelligence could only be gauged by standards relative to the particular time. For example, the Ancient Greeks could only comprehend things from learned from history up to what was being spoken about in their own cities, or time period.

Plato himself spoke about this. So I'll say that he wields the greatest influence over history from after his death to present day.

Me, because only I exist.