If evangelion was a novel it would easily tower over that hack salingers catcher in the rye as the greatest coming of...

The Greatest coming of age novel is and alway will be Portrait tho

Well I based my original post on the assumption that the writer of Evangelion would take himself incredibly seriously, too seriously to bother slumming around with YA.

*blocks your path*

NGE is total trash. Watch, read, or whatever E7 instead

>NGE
"im pathetic because im pathetic and my mom is dead and im a fucking virgin!"
>E7
"i [was] pathetic because i allowed objects beyond my control to control me!"

Partial evidence:
>NGE
The world ends because he wouldn't get into the fucking robot and when he did he screwed up, but his mommy fixed that, but she didn't really.
>E7
The world ends and then is stopped by the female protagonist, then the male protagonist decides that is unacceptable. A (literal) deus ex machina takes their place because tragedy is the epitome of 'woe is me' writing (episode 51, a script based on the original planned final episode, has a 'tragic' ending and is absolute garbage fatalism)

Sure
Lain is a mess, HR does everything it did better and did even more somehow.

>HR
What's this? And I liked Lain even if it didn't feel that coherent. The whole thing looked really nice and took its weird techno-dystopia/conspiracy-soup plot in a completely different direction to what I was expecting which I think was ballsy of them. Has anybody ever pointed out that Lain's ending feels weirdly Christian or has reading too much Gene Wolfe addled my brain and made me start seeing Jesus everywhere?

Haibane Renmei, the adaptation one of ABe's projects. ABe is the character designer for Lain. He had some authority on Lain, but had much more control over HR.
It's like comparing Utena to Sailor Moon. Sailor Moon is great, but is an absolute mess. However, Sailor Moon is much longer than Utena and is simplified. Lain is the same length as HR but tries to do too much. If it was trying to be disorientating (it was), it did its job to some degree, I suppose.

The ending of Lain isn't Christian (HR undeniably is, throughout). Simply put, Lain becomes a maniac on the internet and gains a reputation from that. In the ending, she escapes that reputation.
The series is essentially about computer addiction and the effects that sort of disconnection has on one's personality. The ontology and info dumps were just an awkward way of expressing that.

>Haibane Renmei
That looks fun. I'll get to it eventually.

It's not fun. You should watch it now and then rewatch it later.

When I say it isn't fun, I mean it is literally the least fun series you will ever watch. I can't even explain it without spoiling it.

Now it sounds very fun. I'd start watching it right now if I weren't Australian. The memes about our internet are all true, gotta treasure every megabyte. Next month maybe. Or now if I find a really nice and convenient looking torrent.

>Salinger
>a hack
Shit b8 desu

He rapes his sister, Phoebe

>He rapes his sister, Phoebe
I smile every time.

.t "i don't understand EVA"

eureka 7 was a fun ride, but you're the definition of a brainlet

NGE is trash. Sorry, you're the brainlet. Enjoy your ironic otakubait!

Why don't the girls sleep in one bed and the guy in the other

More like LAME.

That's gay

This is genuinely an /a/ post. You're with the big dogs now. Buckle up and go read Adam Philips' The Freud Reader.

I've been on /a/ forever but have also probably been on Veeky Forums longer than you. I am the big dog, brother.

Freud is garbo psychobabble. NGE wasn't good 15 years ago when I first saw it and it isn't good now. E7 was excellent 12 years ago when I first saw it and it's improved every day since.
NGE is seriously a series for people that don't like anime. These people don't understand the medium or its genres and think a messy series about 'muh momma' has any merit.

How is Lain a mess? The plot is very coherent, it's just told in a confusing way, but everything makes sense, or, everything is connected.

I honestly think Lain is one of the best anime ever made and much better than Evangelion in general, its themes, characters, critics, dialogues, are all top notch.

Fetch me some sauce. I am doing some research.

Sauce please.

frash

Bumping for sauce

You like Lain because you don't actually understand anime.

You don't see how it's an absolute mess: that is the first clue.

That is the beauty of Japanese perversion.
Most if these scenario don't need to happen.
Most will never happen.
But you can jerk off to it, so everything is fine.

This is why I can't take /a/ seriously when they say X anime is good. How the fuck do you even know what 'good' is if all you've ever consumed is anime? Ever since I started reading I've been dismissive of the entire anime medium because it has literally no shows that come close to e.g. The Stranger. Evangelion comes close to being good but even that's not as great as most novels.

You need to ramp up that cognitive dissonance.

what?

>most novels
Most novels are trash, and you know it.
Same with anime, movies, comics and albums.

Also, comparing mediums is pretty dumb.

There are far more excellent novels than excellent anime, though, so there's at least a firmer base to judge works on.

Being a raging weeb and a connaisseur of fine literature simultaneously without acknowledging the disconnect.

This.

this

>being retarded

>not having'st'd watched utena

Can you hear it?

>raging weeb
Where did you get that idea from? I've seen a lot of anime, but I haven't watched anything at all for three years now.

>not having'st'd watched utena
Why is it good?

my soul has not given up

>is it good?
yes

WHERE IS THE

S A U C E ?
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Fooly Cooly is better, desu

>le xd so random anima

You wanna know what FLCL is about? It's about coolness. Maturity. Machines in domestic life in an increasingly mechanized world. The media and its impact on reality, particularly how stupid it makes you. Alienation. Potential/creativity. Western influence creating the sense of an exciting expansive world. It ties all these themes together.

L O V E is the big one tho.

An addendum. It's also the defining artwork of the 21st century, where images have come to supersede reality. If you watch FLCL then you'll learn how to overcome them and become your authentic self.

Yeah but I like epics like Nibelungenlied or the legends of King Arthur or even The Odyssey better. People don't traditionally consider those coming of age stories but they are. They're more mature than Evangelion.

>There are far more excellent novels than excellent anime
that's because people have been writing for the past 7000 years while anime as a medium is just around 60 years old

surprisingly Utena is less cluttered and easier to understand but it would be a point counted against it

Does not even have an anime, noise please

>Why is it good?
because its a drama about possessive kids having sex in high school. Think Degrassi

Doesn't really matter. As a visual medium it has the entire history of painting and also cinema to rely on or to be inspired by. Also, all in all, anime is just animated stage plays with voice actors, and stage plays have been around forever too.
Cinema is young as well, yet there are a lot of films that I think can rival literature (Melancholia being an example of one such film). Why isn't it the same for anime? Because I think the real problem is that "deep" stories aren't comercially viable and thus don't get produced.
Then again, that's all just narrative stuff. Visually, I think a lot of anime are great and very complex. The recent Kizumonogatari is a good example for that. You'd be surprised at how many times a frame is laid out according to the golden ratio in that film.

>People don't traditionally consider those coming of age stories but they are.

I don't see how The Odyssey is a coming of age story. Telemachus doesn't grow up.

Gainax peaked with Royal Space Force.

Odysseus does in a generally transformative sense. That is another thing, people think that growth is at its peak during adolescence and coming of age can only refer to this period, but there are other cycles of maturing transformation in a person's life. That's why people refer to Fight Club as a "second coming of age" story.

You know absolutely nothing about cinema or animation. Using "Melancholia" as an example of a film that can "rival" literature? You think visual art needs to even "rival" literature in the first place and have "deep" stories"? Are you a fucking mongoloid? Von Trier is an assured charlatan and his works are the equivalent of cinematic diarrhea. Your terrible taste and complete ignorance to what you're talking about is almost pornographic in it's unconditional retardation. Go off yourself before posting another comment like this you DILETTANTE. In a better world people like you would be illiterate and tilling the fields.

>Are you a fucking mongoloid?
Are you? Where did I say anything about cinema needing to rival literature? If you want to fly off the handle like an autist whenever you find someone you deem a dilettante that's fine by me, but if you don't want to look like a retard at least post and example of what YOU consider good instead of delivering a vacuous tirade you dumb faggot.

Watch Yearning by Mikio Naruse if you want to learn a little about cinema but I know you're too much of a mouth-breather to appreciate it. Now never post on this board again, pseuds like you should be discussing Clifford the Big Red Dog and leave literature to the big boys.

meant to quote this cuckslave

>not peter gay's freud reader
true brainlet detected

NGE is best when you take Shinji and the rest of the dipshits out of the equation entirely and focus on the philosophy and psychology behind the whole Instrumentality thing.

I don't understand this, i never felt that there's actually a big gap or something in the arts. But i do think that film is the shittiest one.

Other user is right, E7 was fun as fuck but don't think it even scratches the depth of Eva.

You haven't watched enough films.

I don't want to buy that because is has Gay in big letters on the cover.

I hate faggots

I have watched almost all the classics and i don't think it has any value at all, and if it didn't exist the world would actually be a better place.

The problem is that the beauty of cinema lies within the creation of both the story and spectacle. If you're looking to just find a good story in a film, it's completely bonkers. It's like saying you only enjoy music and therefore would rather walk the world blind because the visuals the world can offer you have no value.

I don't like it because of the limited aesthetics, nothing to do with story. Although the limited aesthetic also puts a limit in the "story".

Limited how? Because it can't be limitless like imagination? I'm sure you'd be happy to live in a vr matrix world that's not bounded by the darned physical constraints of this universe. Film has on the most crafted and vertically integrated ways of creating a true experience, I don't know what you're on about.

I came to post this. Best (audio)visual coming of age story I've ever seen.

How many times have you seen Miami Vice? This is important.

evangelion was kind of bad though. it's about as pseudo-intellectual as it gets desu.

Someone hurry up and find the damn sauce already.

It's actually... the opposite.

Anime as a medium is at least a 90-100 years old.
That is, if we count the first animations made in Japan as anime.

>high school
utena is in middle school

>E7
you again... feel free to kys any time

Why do you think it's pseudo-intellectual?

Catcher in the rye was considered one of the best coming of age stories due to how relatable and simple it was. Holden was a teenage kid who was tired of dealing with ordinary life. Evangelion on the other hand, has a coming of age story, but is so much more than that. Even if it was a far better book, I doubt it could take the throne of best coming of age story.

ZETTAI

UNMEI

>people saying an anime is good when it doesn't even have good animation

This is like saying a book is good when it's written poorly

Sauce please?

sadly underrated

not really, it was a pleb-tier comment.

By tv standards Eva had some pretty great animation. The designs were excellent and a lot of the action scenes were well done.

that is like saying that something is badly written because is printed in shitty paper.
faggot

Animation is a visual medium, animation is more important than paper quality. Paper quality would be more like watching it in black and white or on an iphone. An animated series with shitty animation (I think Eva's is actually quite good for tv) that rides on story, designs and concepts is probably more like a novel that's written in mediocre prose but handles lots of neat ideas interestingly. Maybe one of Isaac Asimov's better stories would be a better comparison.

I want to lick Asuka's butthole.