How can you treat Marxism as some shallow childish fantasy if you aren't even aware of how much he and Engels wrote on the subject? Do you really think he wrote all this and had nothing to say, or do you just need some way to validate clutching your pearls?
About a third of it is just letters and correspondence that they wrote.
You can get a lot of shitposting done without a TV or internet to distract you. Volume, in and of itself, only impresses by dint of its size, for simply being what it is. You are also in a much better position to have all of your shitposting enter the historical record when you have the good fortune to have written in a recent century.
Another point worth making is that this corpse (corpus?) is the life's work of two men, not one. So take the fifty volumes and cut them in half (or maybe weight it 60/40 in favor of Marx, whatever's appropriate). In each case, chuck out maybe 5-6 volumes and you realize that each guy effectively wrote maybe about 15-20 books' worth of material over the course of his life (including each individual's contributions to the joint stuff), much of which is just articles and such. Suddenly it doens't look so daunting.
David Roberts
>the collected shitposts of user
Josiah Wilson
The Labor Theory of Value is outdated and no longer valid. Marginalism is objectively better at explaining and predicting phenomenon. Marxism is outdated pseudoscience akin to Astrology, Phrenology, and the Odic Force.
Cooper Mitchell
lenin's collected works is about the same size and he actually had to do revolutionary things like lead the bolshevik revolution rather than sitting in a british library writing speculative fiction, oh, and some anarchist shitlord killed him early so if he had lived as long as marx he would have wrote more
Levi Sanchez
Veeky Forums is like all of Veeky Forums completely dominated by /pol/, they rather base their worldview on infographs and youtube videos instead of actually reading books
Jaxon Martin
Veeky Forums and Veeky Forums is where /pol/'s infographs and meme ideology come to die
Carson Diaz
>authority fallacy No this board is dominated by brainlet liberals. And this buffoon here is another example thinking he is some kind of a nazi killer when in reality he can't even defend his own ideology
Christian Johnson
/pol/ fought liberal autism so hard and gazed into the void so long that it became autistic itself. Neither ideological shitposter is really better than the other, but at least the "liberal brainlets" aren't feeding cronies and being persuaded against their best interest
Joseph Peterson
>against their best interest Which, of course, would be?
Brayden Adams
Being resentful Veeky Forums and reddit browsing wrecks that don't interact with society in a meaningful way despite picturing themselves as the path of the practical future. From this post compared to this one you can see how you immediately identify with whatever vague entity is against the liberal brainlets mentioned in the last post. People like you are void of all content and only know how to react.
Grayson Hall
>How can you treat Marxism as some shallow childish fantasy By being a brainwashed american
Adam King
Marx and his followers are suicidal betas who are so angry at god for their existence they want to die and take all of humanity along with them.
Jackson Sanders
>became autistic itself. nigger where do you think we are. every board is autism incarnated.
Joseph Parker
All those books and the best they could do is kill peasant farmers
Austin Thompson
After reading the main works, seeing the results and meditating over the premise/hopes of marxism I just hate it.
In my eyes its not a shallow, childish fantasy. It's a subtle nightmare that leaves you feel a feel of uneasiness.
Luke Turner
OY vey muh 90 gazillion
Oliver Hall
not an argument
Aaron Martinez
Most of marxists i've met IRL have barely read the Manifesto, let alone other philosophers such as Gramsci, Lukacs or Althusser.
Justin Peterson
When I went to Monticello they were selling the collected works of Thomas Jefferson which consisted of like over 40 similarly-sized volumes. These people just had a lot of time on their hands. I'm sure that if you collected all of my emails, papers, and online posts at the end of my life it would also take up thousands of pages.
Parker Moore
Source behind this pic?
Landon Myers
>Gramsci, Lukacs or Althusser
that's because cultural marxism is a trick by zionists, real marxists read lenin and mao
Henry Diaz
>This food tastes like shit. >But the portions are so generous!
Zachary Rodriguez
Capitalism in a nutshell.
Anthony Ward
At least there's food in capitalism
Brody Allen
Reminder that state mandated child rape is the logical conclusion to Marxism. Marxists believe family, gender, morality, culture, the rape of children being bad and rationality are all evil white social constructs standing in the way of their liberated communist utopia.Deviant sexuality is pretty much the only thing Marxists will admit is good liberated and not 'socially constructed'.This is why leftists have always been so obsessed with promoting all forms of perversion, such as homosexuality, transgenderism, incest and sadomasochism. all of course leading up to the normalisation of pedophilia which has been a leftist goal for decades. 1968 was a failed violent takeover attempt, after which the left decided to pursue its aims through gramsascian cultural subversion.
>Germany's left has its own tales of abuse. One of the goals of the German 1968 movement was the sexual liberation of children. For some, this meant overcoming all sexual inhibitions, creating a climate in which even pedophilia was considered progressive.
Pic is the collected works of Martin Luther. The full edition is 121 volumes, around 80,000 pages. Took 126 years to assemble.
Lincoln Mitchell
yeah sure communism works in theory, but in practice you'll slave away your life at the communal farm, growing sickly and emaciated from your meagre soy rations while an obese blue haired kommissar of indeterminate gender shrieks WHITE MALEEEEE! in your face for all eternity. of course all art and western achievements would have to go, as they offend victimised lgbts and islamic pocwocs, by serving as reminders of the superiority of the white man. that's because leftism is at its core slave morality, rejection of all that is great and good in man, for all that is weak.
Adrian Murphy
this is a false flag thread used to trick Veeky Forums users into thinking anti-communists are underage retards
Zachary Gomez
I wonder if Jefferson wrote any saucy bits about all those slave wenches he raped
Levi Garcia
how can you be stuck in the politics of the 1970's and not be retarded?
Evan Reyes
Communists are taking over American colleges and have been for decades.
Hunter Rogers
I don't know, but after making that post the thread went from a post every minute to dead silence.
Julian Thompson
Maybe you are a marxist using meta subversion tactics in order to shut down thoughtcrime.
William Clark
>about all those slave wenches he raped You mean his 1/8 black sister-in-law who looked like his dead wife and who traveled with him to Europe where she could have escaped but instead chose to stay with him on the condition that the kids they had together would all be considered free whites?
Easton Sanders
>setting up your own argument to defend something that is inherently flawed. That's why. People like you who get into Marxism are childish niggers. Also, gas the kikes.
Owen Wright
I go to one of the more liberal colleges in America and this isn't true. Ever even been on a college campus?
David Rodriguez
The problem with rejecting Marxism outright is that this requires you to also reject class-based analysis of society, because that's literally all that matters in Marxism: if there is some amount of class-focused analysis, there is some element of Marxism. The subversive/revolutionary elements are secondary, political/practical concerns that exist only accidentally in relation to the man named "Marx" who was also the theorist of capitalism. Even Nick Land owes a debt to Marxism: accelerationism focuses its eye on the capitalist class and a proletariat as much as Marxism does, though it asks different questions and has different aims. The tools are literally identical: capital is capital is capital, whether you read Fanged Noumena or Das Kapital.
Justin Scott
this is the spookiest thing I've ever read. log off the internet.
Henry Sanders
The only people who don't like communists are shitheads who belong in the gulag or retarded Americans (redundant) too deluded by shitty propaganda to see how beneficial it would be.
Adrian Morgan
Why did you go to Monticello, and what did you think of it? Also, have you been to Mount Vernon?
William Williams
Tons of kike-hating gold on that shelf, let me tell ya.
Brody Sanchez
An average shitposter's life work
William Jenkins
I agree that Marx's materialist conception of history is a useful tool for historiographers to use, but a class interpretation of history promotes certain political views in and of itself. Same way that feminist interpretations of history instills a particular view of gender on its readers (primarily that social conditions, not biological differences are what account for women's behavior).
Could you imagine biological interpretations of history being a thing? Yet it's as valid a tool for interpreting history as class and gender are.
Jose Wilson
Gender, heterosexuality, science, the White race, and western civilisation are all spooks you see kids. But don't you dare ever 'misgender' a tranny post factual info graphics or bring up the factz about disproportionate Jewish involvement in leftist movements. Like wow just wow.
Ian Lee
I've been to DC a bunch of times. I have a brother who worked for the government there. Mount Vernon is okay, but very touristy with its series of gift shops. The view of the Potomac behind Washington's house was pretty sick though. Monticello is cool because Jefferson was an amateur botanist, and they resowed and maintained everything he ever planted. Literally hundreds of different plants stretching out for acres.
But if you ever go to DC, pic related is your first stop. Seeing the Magna Carta, US Constitution, Bill of Rights, Deceleration of Independence in person was nothing compared to being face-to-face with a Shakespeare First Folio.
Oliver Roberts
>but a class interpretation of history promotes certain political views in and of itself. This is not important at all--political facts do not affect the validity of an argument form or the soundness of an argument. If an analysis is correct, then that is the end of the story; if a fact is true, it is true regardless of the existence of a political party acknowledging its truth. This is not complicated. >Could you imagine biological interpretations of history being a thing? Hoo boy.
Aaron Reyes
Are you a spook of some sort? is that why everything you say sounds like it's been approved by a committee of neocon deep state interests? I'm sure the pentagon/mossad plants you people in forums to control public opinion and shut down criticism of zionism
Leo Harris
This is a naive view of how history as a subject works. The interpretive lens you apply to your work is often one of a multitude of different lenses one could just as easily apply; and if the reader isn't critical (as most aren't), she can be under the assumption that the particular interpretive lens that the historian she's reading chose to apply to his work isn't just a myopic, single-dimensional prism through which to view those events. The reader assumes that that lens is the only way to interpret the those facts. So if a student only reads Marxist interpretations of history, she herself will interpret events in the real world exclusively through a Marxist lens.
This is what you see with feminists who see patriarchy under every stone. They get trained to think that way by what they're assigned to read.
Jack Smith
If the government wants to pay me to be a deep state propagandist, i'd do it in a heartbeat. I have a huge boner for my country
Hunter Miller
Stop being such a faggot
Zachary Smith
>I have a huge boner for my country you mean, Israel?
Liam Bennett
Neocons don't have all have a blank check view of Israel. They're mostly an ally we use to prevent Iranian Middle Eastern hegemony.
Adam Sanchez
> I have a huge boner for my country
nice psychosexual implications dude
Hunter Kelly
Erich Fromm seemed to think his ideas entirely worthwhile, and I love that guy, so I'm inclined to believe the value or Marx's thought, though,...
only prototypically each new passing decade has the capacity to invalidate certain aspects of old ideologies, and not in the sense that new technologies outstrip the principles espoused, but rather a calcinating fire burning off the dross of our prolonged attempt at a systematic approach to human nature as if it were finally capable of being "reigned in" if only we could find a sufficiently elaborate systematic control over ourselves, or lack of control through systematic means. Anarchy is the one true religion, friends.
Although narrowly, as a critique of capitalism, it is proper and thorough.
Leo Powell
volume=/=quality. You'd know that if you read every now and then.
Caleb Nelson
>being persuaded against their best interest Not only yours but of the whole worlds, your tiny brains can't comprehend that your actions do have consequences, but don't worry you will be the first to go and not in a easy way too.
James Torres
It doesn't matter how much you write if it's all shit.
Owen White
do they serve 'cheese pizza' at bohemian groove?
Gavin Wilson
nothing not white, i dont care about your basic bitch problems
Parker Ross
Sad! Your life is going to get worse and worse for you, bucko. How old are you already?
Ryan Torres
I want these toys!
Bentley Martinez
no children that is for sure, fucking useless little shits.
Oliver Myers
Let me guess, a plan for your own suicide once you get to a certain age because "life is shit then anyway"?
Carson Perez
J.K Rolling wrote a lot too for her lame fantasy world
Robert Cox
I, for one, once considered myself a marxist, and I got a lot of reading done in that period. I would hazard a guess that many people here had a similar phase.
Noah Gray
I wish I had the time to dive into the life works of an individual thinker
Adrian Carter
How does one salvage Marxism after the death of the labor theory of value, which leads to the death of the myth of capitalist exploitation? Marxist historiography looks pretty goofy by modern standards of scholarship as well.
I'm skeptical about class itself being enough of a basis for it.
Blake Williams
I don't understand how Marxism has anything to do with the working class when its adherents are all university students and professors. I know it sounds dumb but it's just so obvious that the working class is more economically right-wing
Caleb Jones
The great disappointment of the 20th century for Marxists was discovering that proletarians like reactionary things such as their countries, their families, and eating food, so the whole thing shifted over to the intellectuals, who, presumably, have greater revolutionary potential.
Michael Stewart
L Ron Hubbard wrote a metric shit ton too, I don't know what point you're trying to make with all this and I like Marx
Carson King
legit the most retarded thing i've read in a really long time, please kill yourself
Jack Nelson
>their families What's the Marxist explanation for this? Isn't an attachment to one's kin one of the most fundamental facts of nature? Do they not believe that human beings are evolved organisms?
Gavin Cox
There are MLP fanfics longer than what Marx wrote, does that mean we should take it seriously?
Easton Moore
It's totally not and a good portion of "communists" are actually liberals who are retarded to the degree they believe they are communists.
Luis Morgan
Because they're literally autistic, everything else must be demolished if it doesn't fit in neatly with their theory
Luke Butler
>advanced >works only with unlimited resources
Angel Mitchell
Post-scarcity doesn't mean unlimited, it just means no one is going to die if everyone got an even slice
Blake Ramirez
Why can't Marxists just voluntarily socialise? Why can't capitalism and socialism coexist?
Caleb Wilson
Because Capitalism is better obviously
Ethan Baker
Sweet
Justin Wood
No because its a fanfic. Why would anyone take a fanfic seriously in the way someone would take a social theory seriously? They're different categories.
Adam Sanders
Marx is basically just Hegel fanfiction
Isaiah Wilson
I don't even know the difference between Marxists, sjws,BLM, liberals, lgbts, communists and transgenderists anymore it all seems like one indistinct shrieking mass of Marxism and victimhood
When will you people admit that Cultural Marxism has absolutely nothing to do with Marxism
Mason Anderson
Actually read some fucking Marx, nothing he said has anything to do with this SJW bullshit.
Brayden King
Never. They get their information strictly from youtube, infographs, and memes.
Thomas Ramirez
Uhh Marxism is about banding together and rising up against the oppressors, not being a special snowflake and using your victim status to have things handed to you. The primary aspect that nobody on here seems to consider is the means of production are seized and owned by the workers who are doing the producing.
James Jackson
Darwin wrote a lot too, his understanding of biology was incredibly simple and wrong compared against what we know now. Both are products of a less advanced time, why the fuck would anyone pour over massive tomes with dated and wildly incorrect information? You might as well be reading about the fucking four humors of Hippocrates in med school. The general idea is enough, and it's clearly wrong.
Adam Gonzalez
Sometimes I wonder if it's just bait from the federales, and if anyone displays too much knowledge about the subject, they get monitored and v&.
Christopher Torres
Man usually believes, if only words he hears, That also with them goes material for thinking!
Jace Wright
Everyone else is fucked up but I like how this guys' great offence is starting to grow an afro