What are some good books about skewering marxists?

What are some good books about skewering marxists?

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read marx's entire body of work and formulate your own critique, you lazy cock-smoker

Main Currents of Marxism, Leszek Kolakowski. Encapsulates nicely the history of Marxism, and discusses it and its flaws from a somewhat sympathetic perspective of a former marxist.

What's the story behind this photo

Nationalist youth BTFO'd the head of the Japanese Socialist Party.

>read marx's entire body of work
hahaha

why do that when marx's philosophy has produced literally 0(ZERO) successes?

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he did nothing wrong, a communist is the worst society has to offer: a filthy parasite whose only objective is to infiltrate our institutions in order to propagate a resentful narrative that only appeals to weak people
that's we ought to slay them

Never said he did anything wrong.

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a good system doesn't need everybody to embrace it in order to be successful
that's not the case of socialism lol

there's a difference between everyone embracing it and it being actively sabotaged by the most powerful country on Earth

Watch "The Act of Killing". It's a documentary about the heroes who saved Indonesia from the commies during the 1960s by eliminating hundreds of thousands of the bastards.

Being done by a Western libcuck, the documentary is made to make us feel bad about this killing, but if you're like me you're going to enjoy it nonetheless.

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I don't know. Read everything he ever wrote and extrapolate the inadequacies for yourself.
Why do you expect to have everything handed to you on a plate.

Why are you so lazy?

>millenials are so utterly backward that they can't even muster up the lateral think required to search for criticism of Marxism on Wikipedia and from there source books that "skewer" Marxism

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticisms_of_Marxism

Unfortunately for op most of the millenial marxists have never actually read anything by marx either...

>backward
stopped reading right there
your spooks are meaningless to me

spooks are a meemee

Something tells me that you probably didn't reach this sociopathic conclusion after an independent look at reality, but are really just parroting talking points that you read on the Internet.
Well, I hope you at least realize that much of the right also propagates resentful narratives that only appeal to weak people.

>there's a difference between everyone embracing it and it being actively sabotaged by the most powerful country on Earth

Except the photo user posted was of the results of a famine in the 1920s, well before the US became the most powerful country on earth. Far from "actively sabotaging" socialism the Americans were actually quite friendly the Soviet Union in those days.

Pic related, from a capitalist truck that (((somehow))) made its way to the worker's paradise.

>the Americans were actually quite friendly the Soviet Union in those days.
>supporting opposition to the Bolsheviks
>refusal to recognize the USSR until 1933
>Wilson considering intervention in Russia but avoiding it due to WWI
The US and the USSR were never friendly, except if you count being on the same side in WWII 'friendliness'

Literally, any book about Ungern-Sternberg. But if you're an anglo monoglot, try Vladimir Pozner's Bloody Baron/White Despot (PDF online). Pozner was a poncey marxist (the scummy type who preferred Hollywood to Moscow, no joke) and who sexed up the dossier against Ungern considerably, so plenty more skewering going on than is historically warranted in that very skewed but entertaining novel.

haha creative way to tell that that picture of a dead commie hurt your feelings

They actually had a lot of trade contacts, which overruled ideological concerns. Considering an invasion is not the same as invading, and delaying recognition was of little practical significance.

I mean if the Americans hated Russia so much, why did they export thousands of trucks, tractors, and cars to the USSR? Why did they buy Russian agricultural products? Moreover, why did the communists cooperate with the evil American capitalists?

American friendliness was pretty damn essential to Russia's collectivization programs. It's hard to a have a "scientifically managed" farm with no fucking tractors. And let's not even mention lend-lease.

The picture didn't hurt my feelings. However, the idea that it's ok to kill one's political opponents disturbs me. It's the sort of notion held by filth.

>the idea that it's ok to kill one's political opponents disturbs me
I agree but I don't pretend that self-defense is wrong when it's convenient for me

Can hardly wait for the day when we can free the oppressed proletariat from their retardation and slave masters.

You'll be free of the propaganda and ignorance, comrades.

>why did they export thousands of trucks, tractors, and cars to the USSR? Why did they buy Russian agricultural products? Moreover, why did the communists cooperate with the evil American capitalist

To stop Germany from dominating European politics and shutting the US out of the conversation. The USSR was a convenient lever at the moment to have close.

Self-defense means you give everything short of violence a reasonable try first. It doesn't mean the Pinochet-style rape and torture that so many /pol/tards support. Sometimes you have to fight your political opponents in self-defense. However, what is virtuous is to attempt decency even in the midst of violence, not to gleefully revel in violence.

everyone thinks americans are dumbass hillbillies controlled by the jews or the saudis or whoever, but sometimes you get this slight feeling there might be some sneaky wasps somewhere in the depths of the deep state steering this whole shit

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>The USSR was a convenient lever at the moment to have close.

It was an amicable and mutually profitable relationship. You have to look past the decades' worth of anti-American propaganda that Russia churned out after the relationship went sour.

Be a good materialist and be objective about the past.

turns out it's an ancient mayan from the era of methuselah jerking off a miniature whale, measuring the sperm like tea leaves, and directing an army of cicadas to influence geopolitics.
next time you meet a politician, offer him a wallet made from duct tape. all will become far too clear.

I used to work as a forensic anthropologist before I got burnt out and changed careers. I used to excavate mass clandestine burials in a South or Central American country that I would rather not disclose. The government there had fought a brutal civil war some decades ago, started by Soviet-backed Marxist guerrillas, and won. The military and paramilitaries had killed many Communist revolutionaries and their sympathizers, as well as innocent civilians caught in the middle. I was part of a project to catalogue the government's crimes and recover the bodies of their victims. I worked on dozens of sites and personally unearthed several hundred individuals. I scientifically examined their remains, determined or estimated their identifying features, and documented how they were killed. You cannot imagine the stench of a mass grave, especially one with several dozen corpses buried in wet soil. The sickeningly saccharine smell is unearthly in its intensity. I used to throw out my clothes in a sealed bag, shower every day for three hours, and clean my finger and toe nails with a wire brush, and I could still smell those corpses on me for weeks. I uncovered men, women, children, infants, and the unborn. These people had been tortured, maimed, and mutilated to death in ways I cannot even put into words, at least not without going over the character limit. And you know what? Every time, when I finished an investigation, and sent the bodies I'd managed to ID away to their families' villages for Christian burial, and sealed the earth back up, I would stand over the mound, and say a silent prayer to God for Him to wipe Marxism from the face of the earth for good, by these or any other means He sees fit, simply because there was less work for me this way than if the Marxists had won and the killing had never stopped. I then went to the local bar to drink a toast with the retired soldiers who had done the killing as young men: "Fuck Communism."

>Socialism would work if capitalists helped us!
If socialist revolutionaries want to overthrow capitalism why do they get so mad when capitalist countries don't want to play ball? It should not be common sense that they will oppose them? That's what I don't get about revolutions. They know very well what will happen yet they still do it.

Try and find Levinson's cutting analysis of this bizarre relationship, "Vodka-Cola."

meh. people will abuse any ideology to justify atrocities and power grabs

The government's response was justified, though.

>implying mass graves from a civil war a generation ago would still smell
>implying forensic anthropologists don't know how to use paragraphs

I dunno.

I didn't read the whole post

In the absence of taphonomic agents such as animals (these were deep burials), decomposition is greatly slowed by wet conditions such as those found in mud, to the point where water can act in the same way as extreme dryness or freezing. A mass grave has an enormous amount of meat. Bury that many bodies packed tightly together in mud under the water table (at least most of the year) where animals can't get to them and decomposition will take decades. I dealt with fully skeletonized remains, but the mass graves were beyond stinky.

no, it's impossible. The world is intertwined, countries are less and less relevant.

>I don't want to play basketball
This is fine
>puncturing the other person's basketball so THEY can't play it either
This is not fine

For Whom the Bell Tolls
A Troskyist gets pwned in it.

You should. I gave it a twist ending.

I'm not saying is fine. I'm saying they know what is going to happen yet they still do it, which to me just seems self-righteousness.

>saving Indonesia from commies
and now they have sharia law, good going

should have just killed them all and made it a white country like some sort of second australia

Marxist theory revolutionized our understanding of history, economics, and social science. His interpretations formed the backbone of academia and the philosophic backdrop of the global intellectual class to this day. I would say his philosophy is very, very successful; it just gets too often misconstrued as the Leninist/Stalinist/Maoist attempts at violent application of his political though, or with "muh SJW boogeymen", by mouth-breathers on this site.

youtu.be/2cMYfxOFBBM
Everything you believe is shit. You should kill yourself.

>whites are the master race
Jews control everything
>Marx's philosophy has produced literally zero successes
Has successfully infiltrated the thought of almost all publicly educated students in the West.

>THE PHILOSOPHERS HAVE ONLY INTERPRETED THE WORLD IN VARIOUS WAYS; THE POINT IS TO CHANGE IT
By his own standard carved into his tombstone he failed utterly.

are you brain damaged? the USSR had nigh-unlimited resources, and coud trade with vietnam, cuba and china, another resource rich sub-continent, and yet it collapsed- what does this tell you?

>when your system needs a bubble to work
>a bubble you literally can't create
>it works tho

>violent application of his political(theory)
Pray tell, what peaceful examples of his political theory being actualized in a government are there?

Otoya is a hero, it's such an impressive event. His young age, his resolve, his commitment to tradition is sublime. What did Mishima think of him?

this is the problem with right wingers, they never actually engage with marx's writings (which takes more time than skimming through one essay on marxists.org btw) and then, after that, make up their own conclusions... instead they just want to collect some ad homs and strawman dismissals they can use to justify their existing biases

the funniest criticism of marx i often see is the fact that he relied on the patronage of his supporters in order to continue his writing... imagine that...

it's a weird insecurity i often notice in conservatives, the specter of marx seems to terrify them. i mean, i've never read Kant but i don't suffer an inferiority complex because of it, nor do i try to arrogantly dismiss his entire thought/output based on some shit i read on an infographic. i'll get to him one day, but until then it's easy enough to refrain from making assertions about his work on messageboards

You're retarded. Just because labor unions have largely become a corrupt enterprise you can't pretend that they were not directly influenced by Marx as have made beneficial changes in the world. And that's just one example.

Poor people should be poor and implying low iq workers are equal and should share the means of production with high iq business owners is some faggot leftist nonsense

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>puncturing the other person's basketball so THEY can't play it either

That's what communism literally is about. Stop whining

communism is shit but so is capitalism

>1917+100
>ACTUALLY not being a historical materialist

What is wrong with you?

You talk about as if that revolution which lead to increased progressivism and cultural marxism was good.

Now people are actively destroying western culture and people are confused about which bath room to use.

Sure was a revolution.

An ultranationalist assassinates a communist then commits suicide. Both are dead due to pure ideology and neither side achieves their goals.

Reminder that north Europe's social democratic states stole their post-war model from Nazi Germany.

This guy gets it. You don't have to be a Communist to use Marxist theory, which has ultimately changed academia for the better.
Most people who hate Marxist theory haven't read any Marxist theory. It just makes sense.

>achieves their goals.
Sure looks like the nationalist stopped communism from taking base in Japan .

>neither side achieves their goals.
It's pretty clear that the nationalists achieved their goal, I think you'll find.

Yeah labor unions destroyed the Western proletariat and outsourced manufacturing to China. That's exactly what Marx had in mind.

lmao is this supposed to be a critique? you cant think

not really, the socialist vote was growing rapidly at that time, but Yamaguchi's assassination of the party leader led to internal division and a loss of electoral support followed

>tfw Japan could've become communist
>tfw there aren't any more leftist student protests in Japan

>as have made beneficial changes in the worl
Beneficial short term, destructive long term.

"The Case of Comrade Tulayev" by Victor Serge. Trust me.

Imagine being so retarded as an economist and philosopher you blurt out "all work is productive" and have your entire philosophy of work dismantled by kindergarten examples.

Good feel. Things like anime and metal gear solid could never have been created in communist japan

Who was that?

gas this fucking board

Except almost all academic Marxism is a retarded liberal distortion of his theory, which gets applied to racial/gender/national conflicts because that's more convenient than acknowledging socioeconomic class and fundamental contradictions in capitalist relations.
Marxism died when political economy was taken out of it. Social conflicts reflect the underlying economic relations in the process of production and cannot be analysed or abolished apart from those relations.

Read "Retreat From Class" by Ellen Meiksins Wood for a concise critique of this kind of post-Marxism.

when you say "all work" you mean "socially necessary work", don't you?

Larö Marx.

oh you mean the guy whose specific contribution to the labor theory of value was that only socially necessary labor is valuable? please "demolish" that one with a "kindergarten example"

>almost entire theorem is based on the idea that capitalism will crumble
>it doesn't

and then this is when the marxists reply "not yet", rinse and repeat for all of eternity

Yeah, this board is shockingly leftist now. You would think that they would at least know what they're talking about, but they don't. Traditional Veeky Forumsizens and posters who actually read are a dying breed now.

Marx built upon productive and unproductive labour which he got from Adam Smith. And also socially necessary labour.

Idiots hacking stone 12 hours a day is not productive. Marx destroyed by a six year old.

> only socially necessary labor is valuable
That's not what the definition says you fucking retard

>a theory of value that argues that the economic value of a good or service is determined by the total amount of socially necessary labor required to produce it, rather than by the use or pleasure its owner gets from it

It literally says that any value of good or service (that doesn't have to be socially necessary) is determined by the total amount of SOCIALLY NECESSARY LABOR REQUIRED TO PRODUCE IT.

Learn to fucking read you fucking marxist shitbag.

Your cult leader was fucking dead wrong.

>capitalism has to last for all of eternity for marx to be wrong

Except Marxist theory directly informed critical theory, which is what academic feminism, post-colonialism, etc are using. I agree that it ultimately comes down to class, but you'd really have to be blind to think that social constructions of race and gender haven't and don't affect material conditions and capitalist ideology.

Hacking stones 6 hours a day has the socially necesseray labor requirement of getting people to hack stones six hours a day.

Does not make hacking stones 6 hours a day productive, like Marx claimed.

>t-the revolution will begin in the industrialized countries of Western Europe, probably Britain and Germany first
>it only succeeds in agrarian, barely post-feudal countries like Russia and China

mudpies arent socially necessary, and neither is idiot stone hacking.

also this sentence

>It literally says that any value of good or service (that doesn't have to be socially necessary) is determined by the total amount of SOCIALLY NECESSARY LABOR REQUIRED TO PRODUCE IT.

doesn't parse—so i'll learn to read as soon as you learn to write

Go take some more ESLs.

>now
Fuck off newfag
This board was leftist as fuck before the invasion of /pol/ retards. Now it's becoming more leftist again as they'venfinally begun to die off. Maybe because when you actually read books, the socialist critique of classical political economy is very persuasive and liberal responses to it suck ass.

>doesn't parse
lmfao, but I can read that perfectly well, sweetie, and English is my third language

maybe you just need to buy some IQ points

>/pol/ retards
only losers are retards.

and me and my boys, we are winning bigly.

utterly ass backwards. the requirement for disenfranchised laboring classes (women, blacks) who are paid less for their labor produces these groups as races/genders—woman as you know her, for example, came into being in the 19th century when men needed free labor at the home to prune them for work the next day. (of course women worked in factories too, but often in "lighter" industries like sewing or whatever that was paid less)

no need to get upset, "sweetie," just explain to me how my claim that only socially necessary labor is valuable contradicts your claim that "any value of of good or service... is determined by the total amount of SOCIALLY NECESSARY LABOR REQUIRED TO PRODUCE IT." i omitted the parenthesis for your own benefit so that you dont have to defend their nonsensicality

>shockingly leftist

that's exactly the problem—too many limp-wristed bougie "leftists" and not enough marxists

>This board was leftist as fuck
This board has always had a strong core of traditional/conservative posters. The leftists on this board have generally been the shitposters that shit up every thread and create the illusion that most of the board is like that. I have read far more than most people here, and anything on the left side of the political spectrum still looks exceptionally unappealing.

He meant skewer as in "kill", not "criticize"