/sffg/ - Science Fiction and Fantasy General

And you guys shit on night angel trilogy.

An user in outer lit was promising that he was working on one years ago. Haven't seen talk about it in months.

why would you care about this.

And?

a spot on the back of my head has been hurting some days and doesn't other days for the last 2'ish weeks. today has been especially bad and I started crying a few times with absolutely no control or emotional catalyst, like tears were being pushed out of me.
Am I going to die?

The second Legends of the Drenai has a were-panther as the main character's partner IIRC.

Because you're from a place that likes to state that "it's the current year".

>/sffg/
>medical advice
Go see a doctor senpai.

Probably got got infected by VALIS. Call your nearest religious centre immediately!

No I'm from a place that doesn't give a single shit.

Talk to a doctor, you may have something putting pressure on your brain. That's very serious.

When I say "talk to a doctor" I mean, IMMEDIATELY, by the way. Like, go to the emergency room right now.

I'd feel like a retard if it's just nothing

If it's not nothing you'll soon be a literal retard. If not dead.

Well, you'll be a healthy retard.

...

>even gods can be slain
No shit. Have you read your greek?

i'm the person wearing a kimono in the middle of the tundra

They haven't even read the Bible, God getting slain is kinda a big part.

Yeah, but it doesn't count of God can rez himself.
I call h4x.

I called a doctor and he said it isn't physiological and I'm just depressed and wants me to go down to the mental ward because he thinks I'll kill myself. baka guys.

Just go to A&E
It's what they're trained for you numpty

don't kill yourself user

think of all the great books you'll be robbing yourself of reading

>Let me preface this review: I wanted to love this book. I wanted to see well developed Asian lesbians that has been my dream for so long. To see queer representation that looks like me. I was so excited to read the first four chapters released early by Tor.

>And I cannot express how absolutely disappointed and disgusted I am at this singular example of everything it is to experience racism as a Japanese woman.

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Geographically huge non-interstellar settings?

The city and the stars. It's the only not shitty novel I've read him.

What kinda person do you have to be too need such super specific pandering?

Suddenly I want to read this.

I think the angle is that it's racist against Japanese.

>Arse-naut

So? The Japanese are racist against everybody else. Fair's fair.

Why does every book with Tor's name on it come across so... schlocky? There's no literary value in anything they publish. A book gets released on the virtue of either its hammy social commentary or its 'original' ideas, like lesbians and exotic locales.

Everything on the website seems like it was generated by an algorithm intended to cultivate nerd culture ideas. ASoIaF re-reads. Harry Potter re-reads. The Fashion of Star Wars. Frank Frazetta's Casual Sexism.

Who finds any of this stuff enlightening?

Yeah. And my point is, why would you need a good representation of japanese and lesbian simultaneously? They're not inherently linked in any way

They are if you're a Japanese lesbian. It's a hard concept to understand if you're a straight white male and the majority of characters you've ever read have been the same.

If your needs are so specific, why not write your own novel?

>That feel when you know a book is going to be great because cuckreads is filled with reviews containing all sorts of ideological butthurt and accusations of Xism
>Tfw when they call it "gross", "icky" or "rapey" and go on muh vagina rants in the reviews

Because mentally ill homosexual nipponsese women can't write. It's the white man's burden to write for everyone else.

Because if you haven't noticed, these kinds of people cannot create, only destroy.

I really enjoyed Bakker's work for the degenerate piece it was and I can't talk to anyone about it because it's so degenerate.

Is Bakker that degenerate? I read a little of his first book. There's a lot of rapey background noise, but most of the onscreen action seemed pretty standard fantasy to me.

nigga look at the sad puppies and shit (dudes melting down cause sf/f has become 80% male&white instead of like 95%) and you'll understand that representation in media is important to people

No you're just an insecure faggot

>Riyra or however it's spelled was awesome.
couldn't get throught the first book, literal trash-tier writing and I enjoyed a couple of John Ringo books

Keeps getting more convoluted.

It's a keystone of the /sffg/ seal of degenerate gay rape incest cucking approval approved (remind me if I forgot any)

Taking biblical/magic/technobabble themes and philosophical elements on human activity were the main appeals from a basic fantasy standpoint. I don't really have the vocabulary to describe the writing style. Lets say your average fantasy is a "good dream, a vivid story, fantastical but certain comfortable elements and ponderings.

Bakker's Prince of Nothing and all the accompanying books are like that except with the subtle feeling of wrongness like something horrible is going to happen at any time. And then it does.

I gets rapier. Bakker EARNED his certified GRI badge.
The most recent book is basically about an army of gay rapists lead by a gay rapist fucking and eating another army of gay rapists on the way to fuck and rape a third army of gay rapists lead by gay rapist aliens. Also there's incest, cucking, and mindrape.

Actually the sad puppies are about trying to fight the cultural marxist hegemony that has taken over the awards. The racial issue is mainly that the left hate merit based systems and rather publish or give awards to 'more equal than others' groups out of hatred for white heterosexual men than because they deserve it.

Finally I don't see what's wrong about American literature, film and so on being predominantly white when that reflects the population.

No one remains uncucked or unraped.

>cultural marxist
lmao that anyone can type that shit with a straight face

There's nothing insecure about hating godless commies.

ditto

There's no insecurity that the warm blanket of a mind-virus like religion can't cure.

How so? What would you call the new breed of American progressives that hate The West and her people? Feminist maoists? Cultural marxist is the term that fits the most honestly.

>trying to fight the cultural marxist hegemony that has taken over the awards
keep telling yourself that

>I don't see what's wrong about American literature, film and so on being predominantly white when that reflects the population
yeah, but that's not what happened. it's one thing to say "well, yeah, there's more of us so there will be more of us in writing and film etc" and it's another thing to do what the puppies did which is basically bitching because they're predominant but not as predominant as before. and when the leader of these ubermensch calls jemisin an "ignorant half-savage" it becomes pretty clear what's going on.

Regressive is a more popular term.

It's a good term for "back in the good old days" type folks.

Actually the sad puppies are about not being able to judge books by their covers.

>A few decades ago, if you saw a lovely spaceship on a book cover, with a gorgeous planet in the background, you could be pretty sure you were going to get a rousing space adventure featuring starships and distant, amazing worlds. If you saw a barbarian swinging an axe? You were going to get a rousing fantasy epic with broad-chested heroes who slay monsters, and run off with beautiful women. Battle-armored interstellar jump troops shooting up alien invaders? Yup. A gritty military SF war story, where the humans defeat the odds and save the Earth. And so on, and so forth.

>These days, you can’t be sure.

>The book has a spaceship on the cover, but is it really going to be a story about space exploration and pioneering derring-do? Or is the story merely about racial prejudice and exploitation, with interplanetary or interstellar trappings?

>There’s a sword-swinger on the cover, but is it really about knights battling dragons? Or are the dragons suddenly the good guys, and the sword-swingers are the oppressive colonizers of Dragon Land?

>A planet, framed by a galactic backdrop. Could it be an actual bona fide space opera? Heroes and princesses and laser blasters? No, wait. It’s about sexism and the oppression of women.

>Finally, a book with a painting of a person wearing a mechanized suit of armor! Holding a rifle! War story ahoy! Nope, wait. It’s actually about gay and transgender issues.

>Or it could be about the evils of capitalism and the despotism of the wealthy.

>watches Sargon of Akkad once

>/sffg/ - /pol/ edition

Have you guys read the Forever War?

Can you guys describe it?

Granted I don't read much contemporary genre fiction, but I have a hard time believing there's such a glut of progressive propaganda being smuggled behind familiar book covers.

Man leaves home to fight war
comes back and everyone is mixed race homos
goes back to war to get away from them
entire platoon is mixed-race homos now
lots of homos die, war ends
homos de-gayed and unhomogenized because it was a stupid idea

>>These days, you can’t be sure.
Why don't you just read the blurb?

They're "progressives" though.
>keep telling yourself that
The awards are a nu-leftist circlejerk and if you can't see that you're willfully blind.
>when the leader of these ubermensch calls jemisin an "ignorant half-savage" it becomes pretty clear what's going on.
He wasn't wrong though. Also, you seem to hate whites so much you can't understand that we aren't one monolithic group of people. It could just as well have been a marxist hegemony consisting of only whites, race doesn't matter that much.

...and they're not wrong. I bought a book with a spaceship on the cover, and it was about some guy trying to find his gay lover in New York. At the end you find out that he left in a spaceship because he wasn't exclusive or something.

are you lying to me

He's exaggerating, but technically correct I guess.

You better start believing, they're doing this culture war crap with the destruction of gender and so forth in more than half of the recent science fiction books I've read. I mostly read anthologies though.

>read

Pretty sure they don't actually read the books, just buy them so they can virtue signal to their buddies about how they're triggering SJWs or whatever.

>He wasn't wrong though.
thanks for playing /pol/
all you had to do was hold it in for a couple more posts but chimping out is in your nature I guess

ok, that's just hilarious

*tips fedora*

See:

The homo stuff was a way to show a soldier returning to find his country's culture so changed that he couldn't reintegrate. I think it worked, the book was good.

Hasn't scifi been adopting contemporary social issues for several decades, though?

I mean, I get it. If you're someone who doesn't find the issues important, it's annoying. I only have a small stake in the erosion of traditional gender roles, since I think the media promoted images of masculinity and femininity are harmful stereotypes.

But, yeah, the idea of centering a fantasy or scifi story around gender politics is pretty silly to me.

Don't most publishers just have a stable of artists who produce generic scifi/fantasy/surrealist works to be randomly used for covers anyways? You don't really start seeing specific "art for the book" stuff unless a author is famous (eg, Discworld, Pern) or it's after the mid 80s where Baen and other publishers started offering more "customized" publishing services.

>harmful stereotypes
How are they harmful?

Because not everyone fits easily into one of two categories? And the attempt to pigeon hole one's self generates more anxiety and negative personality traits than not.

no its a conspiracy
the jew is afoot

Books like OP's pic?

>Hasn't scifi been adopting contemporary social issues for several decades, though?
Yeah, science fiction has always been leftist propaganda but the writing has suffered quite a lot from it recently, it feels very forced. Stuff like "zhe", "zir" or "tauntaun" makes the stories into gobbledygook.

I'm sure you don't believe it, but it isn't always about contemporary social issues for the "alt-right", It's a subtly and quality issue, contemporary genre fiction doesn't just tell you a characters gay they slap it in your face with extreme fetishism and call it diversity.

Women get raped in fantasy books all the time and then promptly depart the story despite rape being the writer's tragedy.

Women are usually pretty subservient to their male counterparts sexually and hierarchically. Even on a person to person basis, women bending to male will is the norm. This bending of the knee is rarely born of any character growth and the like, but rather of necessity and assumption by the writer.

How is this harmful? The first is pretty clear I believe. The second is more a matter of teaching our girls that, against hardship, a man is the one to fix it. I think that sets the pretense for unbalanced relationships.

Only way to really fix it is female SF&F writers. Good female SF&F writers.

Never go full retard, user.

>"gobbledygook"
>I checked out with K19 on Aldabaran III, and stepped out through the crummalite hatch on my 22 Model Sirus Hardtop. I cocked the timejector in secondary and waded through the bright blue manda grass. My breath froze into pink pretzels. I flicked on the heat bars and the Brylls ran swiftly on five legs using their other two to send out crylon vibrations. The pressure was almost unbearable, but I caught the range on my wrist computer through the transparent cysicites. I pressed the trigger. The thin violet glow was icecold against the rust-colored mountains. The Brylls shrank to half an inch long and I worked fast stepping on them with the poltex. But it wasn't enough. The sudden brightness swung me around and the Fourth Moon had already risen. I had exactly four seconds to hot up the disintegrator and Google had told me it wasn't enough. He was right.

Fair enough. It's strange to me that writers like Ursula Le Guin didn't set a better precedent for these kinds of stories. I mean, hell, even GRRM touched on gender politics in Dying of the Light.

I think what people are up in arms over is the loss of entertainment value. These stories are social commentary first, escapism second. My opinion is that if an author feels strongly enough about their platform, they should be writing nonfiction, not smuggling ideas through the backdoor at Tor.

>Only way to really fix it is female SF&F writers. Good female SF&F writers.

We had them, they got ostracized for slowly becoming (more) conservative after the 80's.

>Only way to really fix it is female SF&F writers. Good female SF&F writers.
You mean like Bujold?

This is unironically how much of the revolving cast at Clarkesworld writes. Fresh young faces, same old nonsense.

I disagree, male and female ideals exist for a reason. I still don't see how they could be harmful just became some people fail to live up to them. I do take issue with a lot of things in media but men being men and women being women isn't one of them. Do you think the thin/bulky athletic ideal is harmful too?
>Women are usually pretty subservient to their male counterparts sexually and hierarchically. Even on a person to person basis, women bending to male will is the norm.
Just like in real life then tbqh.

More the better.

Of course. Loyalty to another isn't a bad thing. It's just sometimes it feels a bit like a porn script.