Will 2018 be the year that the craft beer bubble bursts?

I hope not.

You can get bud light or an equivalent at any bar. What argument are you trying to make?

>Jefferson Davis Sessions III is probably going to do a federal level crackdown next year and cause a mass exodus.

Lol, no. Even the most obese president since Taft is smart enough to know that would eliminate his already minuscule chances of being reelected.

But back on topic, craft beer has never been more popular. This year the US eclipsed the number of craft breweries in the late 1800's (5000+) when most men were still real men and exceeded 6000. Fortunately masculine 'murricans have been awakened to full flavored, robust beers instead of the feminized pisswater produced for so long by megacorporations afraid of innovation except to provide even more feminized products like "lite" beers. Quite frankly, the future has never looked brighter for craft beer thanks be to Bacchus.

there's only so many choices for alcohol user, what exactly do you expect to replace it?

Kek. I work at a restaurant with a bar and we keep a 6 pack of skunky bl around just for losers like you. Most other places around would probably just laugh and recommend the lightest thing they had on rotation.

But I’d have to live in a flyover for that

Are you really hoping people will stop drinking good beer just because hating popular things makes you feel good? Pathetic.

>Hop juice is good
good soyim

people only drink that shit because they think it makes them look fancy

>All craft beers are IPAs
I can see why you could think this. The IPA craze has caused every brewer to flood the market with a million IPAs. I hate the shit.
>soy
How original

I doubt he cares about or needs the pothead vote.

nah bro legalizing weed would make him win in a landslide and eliminate the debt

Kill yourself you god damn memeing retard.

Craft beer has been dead since like 2015

>Implying its a meme
independent.co.uk/life-style/food-and-drink/ipa-man-boobs-beer-hops-weight-gain-hormones-phytoestrogens-moobs-brewers-droop-a7934306.html

Pretty much this, no hostile takeovers, board of directors, or stock manipulations. If you put out a better product than your immediate competitors you will stay in business (assuming you didn't make other stupid mistakes on the equipment/building side)

What's wrong with ipas? I like them. Stouts are the devil incarnate however

Pretty stupid not to carry bud light, it is still the most popular beer in the world(minus China). It tastes like swill but it sells.

No, there is still a ton of room for craft beer. There are amazingly more wineries in American than breweries even though Americans like and drink way more beer. Plus shitty macros and imports still make up a huge portion of the market so there is a ton of room for growth still.

However the largest craft brewers do have something to worry about, but thats due to pressure from below. We will definitely see some stagnant mid-large size breweries contract, there is not a lot of room for more regional and national craft brewers, if you are going to open one now you have to model your place on a profitable tap room and aim for local sales

>Tired of paying
yeah, paying $5 for a tap of good beer rather than $4 for a bottle of bud Light at a bar is too much, how can anyone afford this shit?

>he considers hop juice to be good beer

>doesn’t brew his own beer

Cuck

even in the most IPA crazy places like San Diego and Boston its not even close to a majority of craft beer

haha, by what possibly metric?

I surely consider even a average bottom 10% West Coast shit IPA better than a Bud Light

This. Thank Freedom that real beers are making such an awesome comeback. No more of those shit domestics.

I know you're just memeing but it really peeves me when retards talk about "eliminating the national debt" as if the national debt is kind of like when bobby sue borrowed twenty dollars from the payday loan service, except with more money

um, it is a lot like that

The IPA craze is a double edged sword as someone who likes them. There are a lot available but a lot of them suck.

t. bobby sue

I mean we are working with longer time scales, but annual deficit spending is bad, and no politician is ever going to do anything about it as they know they will be out before people figure out its fucking us all over

>that would eliminate his already minuscule chances of being reelected
That's why it's done in the second term, fucknut.

eh, not really. Most of the new ones in the recent craze are at least good. Like 10 years ago mediocre to bad IPAs were much more common, but everyone knows more about making them now and we have developed better hop strains so most of them are good

>debt = deficit
were you home schooled by evangelical christians?

um, annual deficit means an ever increasing debt, they are not unrelated concepts

Idk how it is over there but I just want the breweries to focus on more than fucking IPAs, it's too often a competition of who can make or drink the hoppiest beer without caring about the taste.

Give me a burnt stout over an overhopped IPA any day of the week.

a deficit means the debt has an increasing trajectory. a surplus means decreasing. that's it. not an "ever increasing" debt any more than "increasing inflation" means "weimar hyperinflation". or as you might put it, "increasing interest rates" means "the jews are destroying germany"

stop acting like "debt" is a synonym for "deadbeat". it's a kind of voodoo that hillbillies, austrians, libertarian, and other rubes throw around without really understanding how things work. we're not going back to the gold standard, user

>not an "ever increasing" debt
Note I specifically used the term 'annual deficit spending' rather than just saying 'a deficit' to point out the fact that we run a deficit every single year and have no hope at ending that any time soon with the democrats/republican system in power

I am not sure if you are willfully misunderstanding what I am talking about or just easily confused

>stop acting like "debt" is a synonym for "deadbeat"
I don't know if I would go that far, but the idea that we should carry a deficit every year is not economically sound just like it wouldn't be for an individual (though much easier to get buy with short term as a nation, the long term consequences are pretty bad)

>now that republicucks are running a 1.4 trillion debt budget we better defend overspending
>the libtards always spiral the debt upwards, not us cuckservatives. Fucking obongo.
>oh look how poor other countries are, they don't have 20 trillion in debt, lol.

I think you're confusing this for something it's not. user made a joke about how stoners think legalizing weed is going to eliminate the national debt and make anime real. I commented that the "national debt" is often thrown around like it's a catastrophe, because poor people and the financially illiterate (two populations which strongly overlap) tend to associate debt with an impending catastrophe or some kind of moral failing.

then you rose to the bait and started bleating about how we're in an out of control deficit spending spree.

whether deficit spending is justifiable or not, and under what conditions, is a debate that informed people can have. the idea that it's always some kind of dangerous catastrophe is the domain of right-wing loons, the kind of people who think defaulting on the debt is somehow a good idea. it's like the only economic thinking these people have ever looked at is a rationalwiki.org blurb on von mises. and the hillbillies who vote for these people, having only experienced the concept of debt through predatory payday loans, just lap this shit right up.

and don't you "both sides are the same" me. the fiscal stimulus under obama may not have been unanimously agreed as being a good idea but at least it had some basis in expert opinion. as opposed to this insane deficit the GOP just introduced which has literally no rationale and was entirely written by lobbyists while the GOP literally shouted at the CBO to shut the fuck up and stop talking sense.

what the fuck are you bleating about now, cleetus. I'm a "libtard", and as I've been explaining, I'm conditionally ok with deficit spending as long as there's sound logic behind it. do try to keep up.

No, it is unequivocally a bad thing to run a deficit every year. In a time of catastrophe a deficit is understandable and occasionally useful, but in times of peace and stability there is no excuse for it

>the kind of people who think defaulting on the debt is somehow a good idea
This is literally the exact opposite stance. If you think defaulting on debt is fine you obviously aren't going to care about running up a deficit every year

Also payday loans are much more of an urban low class democrat thing than a rural hillbilly thing. You payday loans places are a staple of the inner city, not small towns

>the fiscal stimulus under obama
That was one year, he maintained a deficit all 8 years thanks both to overspending at home and overspending on the military. He maintained 2 official wars and started a couple on the side. Both sides are more or less the same. Trump is a bit of an outlier, him and Bernie Sanders being populists rather than part of the Democrat/Republican stronghold

Craft is what beer in America should have have been if the post-WWII Bud/Miller pisswater takeover didn't happen. The only way for prices to decrease is for craft to get more popular, which it will. Also stop pretending IPAs are the only craft beer.

(((craft beer)))

>No, it is unequivocally a bad thing to run a deficit every year
Again: that's not something anyone in this thread has suggested, except you.
>This is literally the exact opposite stance.
Your memory seems to be in conflict with the facts

>Also payday loans are much more of an urban low class democrat thing than a rural hillbilly thing
Again, reality seems to be at odds with your perception
nhbr.com/September-29-2006/Report-Predatory-mortgage-lending-worse-in-rural-areas/

>Both sides are more or less the same
>Trump is a bit of an outlier
That's called "cherry picking". One side seeks expert opinion even if it's not always right. The other considers experts to be some kind libtard conspiracy

Sorry, wrong link
americanprogress.org/issues/economy/reports/2016/10/06/145629/how-predatory-debt-traps-threaten-vulnerable-families/

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I hope 2018 is the end of labelling everything as IPA. Its time for that craze to die out

>decent yet affordable stuff
if only you knew, brother... just how tasty some microbrews/crafts can be. some are low ABV and tasty enough with all the carbonation and hoppiness to be a top notch beer but with a different taste other than abusive laziness.

But I don't order Bud Light at bars. I wouldn't even choose bl as my cheap beer of choice. You seem to be confused.

Nothing wrong with them (though I don't like them) it's just when he said too juice I could only assume he meant IPAs. I love stouts and porters though.

Yep
IPA's are the gluten-free crossfit of beers

how are IPAs comparable to gluten-free?

no one parades around the false health benefits of IPAs

what is you cheap beer of choice then?

I hope so
I am hungover as fuck

Living in Vietnam currently, I wonder if a ‘dirt cheap pods water beer’ revolution could happen elsewhere. I’m a huge fan of the ‘fresh beer’ here drunken over ice, but I suspect it wouldn’t be legal anywhere else (and taxes would take the fun out anyway).

craft bomb ass dank ass is up next

nothing wrong with an easy drinking backyard beer and you dont have to worry about getting wasted and bloated

I will never understand how people can drink more than one IPA or sour and not have a roaring headache

I'm 100% convinced everyone is pretending to like IPAs

IPAs that existed before the craft brewery boom like Alexander Keith's only had a hint of hops.

Every single IPA I've had from a craft brewery tastes like ass.

So... you don't like beer. Cool story.

I liked ipas for the first year or two that I was really drinking a lot, it was all my friends would drink so I would bring them a six pack when we hung out or vise versa. Now pretty much all I drink is Yuengling and pbr, i tried an ipa the other day just for kicks and it was a fucking hop bomb and i barely was able to drink it. Guess my palate has changed.

Look at the cognitive dissonance

Yeah everyone is pretending to like IPA. And everyone who doesn't like ipa are honest.

Depends on the IPA but people are 100% pretending to like hops, no question.

Just because you have shitty tastes doesn't mean everyone else is pretending

almost everything that existed before the IPA boom outside belgium was mediocre and bland because it is cheaper to use less hops

>Hops literally just make the beer bitter and remove any ability of it to go down smoothly
>Soyim think this makes it better

It's not done in the second term either, because it would negatively affect the whole party's chances of winning the next election.
Why do you think Obama didn't follow up with half the shit he promised he'd do, like legalizing weed and closing Guantanamo?

hops taste delicious though. Are you just drinking 2005 era west coast IPAs or something?

When it comes to beer that's like saying people pretend to like salt. The issue is that many modern IPA go overboard with hops and then those beers can only be enjoyed by a select few who really like their hops, or people with hop-numbed tastebuds.

Except that the trend has very strongly pushed IPAs away from aggressive bitterness in the last 5 or so years

t. Munroe

There is still this notion that more hops = more flavor among the beersnob crowd, and many craft beers are still overhopped imo.

More hops definitely means more flavor, after a point its not better flavor, but it is definitely more flavor

There's beers that taste good, just not hop juice.

I don't think this is really a problem at all unless you are just used to drinking watered down mediocre beer with almost no flavor. The trend in IPA has moved very strongly toward less bitter, more aromatic and flavorful IPAs. IPAs are tastier and more balanced than ever and the vast majority of new ones being produced are at least pretty good

probably not

just know what to drink and when.

now and then if i am with a few friends who i know love craft beer i will go and buy some $12 4 pack we all can try and pretend to be all classy

if i am going to some 21 year olds birthday party i will just fucking buy miller high life or yuengling because it is dirty cheap, better than natty or bud light, and people are just going to chug it.

if i go to a bar having a blue moon or Guinness on tap works for me. if they have a sam seasonal or some new craft beer i have not tried i will go for it. but really, unless you are going to some greedy ass bar, most craft beer should be about 5 or 6 bucks for 16oz and your shitty beer should be about 3 to 4