>Out of all the possible dumb material in the Universe you happen to occupy the small amount that are heavy atoms >Out of all the vast amount of molecules in the universe you happen to occupy the miniscule amount that compose a living being >out of all the microbial and single celled lifeforms you happen to be born as a conscious animal >out of all the conscious animals throughout all the billion years of life in Earths history you happen to be born as the only one ever capable of reflecting on this fact
Can a non-religious writer explain this without falling back on just declaring it an unfathomable fluke?
Wyatt Cruz
>you happen to You happen to be a prat
Anthony Hall
Hahahhahhaa! Boom Boom!
Carson Murphy
This makes no sense. Some HAS to be you,and "someone"has to be that dog and that rock etc
Sebastian Wood
Whooooah man the universe is so amazing dude --->god exists Nice use of logic
Grayson Morales
So its just a lottery where the odds are unconceivably stacked against being a sentient being and I just so happen to have won (or lost) it?
Tyler Richardson
Wow, so this... this is the power of atheism...
Isaac James
(You) don't exist as a separate entity outside of those things. (You) are just a product of those circumstances. This is like saying out of all the possible numbers 1 + 1 happened to be 2.
Nolan Hall
That's incredibly stupid given the vast amount of things I could also be identified as, "illusory" or not. Completely leaves the mystery unaddressed
Nicholas Fisher
I never said the word "illusory," so why did you?
There is no vast amount of things in relation to you. You are exactly what you are and only could've been that. No understanding that is down-syndrome levels of stupidity.
Justin Thomas
You dint won it because there is no you before you are born
Andrew Barnes
>You dint won it because there is no you before you are born But the matter that composes me did, as well as dinosaurs and shit
Angel Flores
>and only could've been that
But why could I have not been like a dog or a jellyfish
Gabriel Butler
It would be very hard, and clearly religious types don't like hard questions.
Landon Cruz
This type of bias is why rich people believe that they are more valuable than anyone else, despite usually falling in the same patterns as other rich people.
Adrian Sanders
So you move the goalpost to "the universe is amazing dude"-->god exists. What are the chances amirite? How DARE you pretend to rationally know what is normal and what is not in this crazy universe? We are only monkeys talkin on a rock
Justin Torres
You can see why though, if you just so happened to be born King it'd be pretty easy to fall into thinking it wasn't just astounding chance. Going from King to being a human on a cosmic scale is vastly vastly larger coincidence
Blake Cox
again, why could 1 + 1 not have been 87 or 3311? that's the level of stupidity you're demonstrating right now.
Liam Mitchell
>We are only monkeys talkin on a rock
Yeah over a logically formulated network of machinery connected globally
James Barnes
Oh so you do trust logic? Then give me a better argument for god
Christian Lopez
Yes,made by science and empirical data,not by just thinking very hard and being amazed by life
Carson Richardson
That only works in the proposition that there was no other potentiality for my existence but the one I occupy now. Which is not so self evident to me. Why could I have not been a dog?
Xavier Davis
Science and empirical data is basically just thinking really hard and being amazed by life
Elijah Gonzalez
>Why could I have not been a dog? look, I get you're fucking around but on the off chance you actually think this I'm gonna just repeat one last time that there is no you other than exactly what you are. there is no way to copy you or isolate you or even conceive of a you apart from what you are. that is all you ever were and could have been. it literally makes NO SENSE to speak of a you apart from what you are. you immortal soul was not plucked from the sea of unborn babies and slot machined into a waiting body, okay? and I'm out. someone else take over.
Leo Bailey
>How DARE you pretend to rationally know what is normal and what is not in this crazy universe?
I'm only going by the objective fact of how astonishingly rare and tiny we are as rational beings. We are objectively a very strange phenomenon in any sense
James Harris
>you immortal soul was not plucked from the sea of unborn babies and slot machined into a waiting body, okay?
OK sure I can accept for your argument I did not previously exist and simply manifested at some point on my conception, but why manifest as a sentient being and not some dinosaur rat or an ant of which there were countless more
Chase Ward
>consciousness is a gift and not a curse of my sweet summer child
John Edwards
I think I got brain damage reading this thread.
Jaxon Wood
That's called having your mind blown
Samuel Rodriguez
Lem mentions that in memoirs found in a bathtub
Josiah Walker
People overthink this. As far as I'm concerned, the fact that you are born as you is equally as amazing as it is the opposite.
Juan Wilson
dinosaurs are a lie created by satan to convince nonbelievers that Earth isn't 6,000 years old
Hudson Torres
>le me rolling dice, not letting you see the results >once in a while I ask you if you want to bet that I rolled a 6 >strangely, I am always right >THEREFORE GOD
It's called anthropic principle, look it up.
Julian Bell
The Anthropic principal has nothing to do with this question idiot. That addresses an explanation for why our environment is conducive for human life, not the strange fact that we are humans in the first place
Jacob King
Someone clearly has to be you. Sure you could have been anyone, but it had to, evidently, be someone. You could not ask the question if you didn't exist, an infinity of possible other people/sentient entities that will never exist could have asked it instead, just as likely. You can throw a 1000 dice, and all of them can get sixes, can happen, would eventually happen, will happen somewhere at sometime in eternity.
Jason Torres
The impressive thing is that all of this happened in just 13 billion years. So either life is easier to happen that we know. Or existence has existed far longer than 14/13 billion years. Or we just hit the 1 in 1000000000000 chance, or whatever. Can happen. Might be alone in universe.
"Why not" is just as legitimate a question as "why for" or "how". Tell me why it shouldn't be this way. Cause every other way is just as unlikely as the next.