Did I go full meme with my philosophy starter kit Veeky Forums?

Read Kenny first, then the Greek book. After that, you can read Scruton if you like, but you could also move on to the primary sources.

Really? The order I was going for was: Ancient Greece, Mythology, Kenny, Russel and finally Scruton. Any other opinions?

Also, any other essentials to add to the list?

much better now.. learn how to rotate ur img u stupid negger

>Russell
Into the bin it goes.

Not much 'Philosophy* but a very good selection of foundational literatur. Kenny's books is good and Scruton has the best name in philosophy.
I'd recommend getting any easy book of actual philosophy so you can read and easily follow along with the argument. Something like Mill's On liberty.

reading russell out of his historical context is pretty dumb.

Seems like you're more interested in building an edifice of white people to admire than in actual ideas.

>Quine completely annihilated logical positivism

Yikes!

starter kit :

Spinoza : Ethics
Kirkegaard : Fear and Trembling
Homer : The Odyssey

just read Outlines of Skepticism and forget about anything else.

>Russell's history
Oh no

Oh no oh no oh no

>Mythology and Ancient Greece History but no Homer, Herodotus, poets or playwrights

What did he mean by this?

>Seems like you're more interested in building an edifice of white people to admire than in actual ideas.
Oh do fuck off. No one brought up race until you reared your head.

Also
>greeks
>white

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Looks like I was right. Enjoy your pathetic quest for a "white" intellectual legacy.

Five books do not make an edifice, my melanin enriched friend.

They sure don't, but I'm sure he'll work on it after he's done "learning the history of philosophy".

What would you have him read instead? Should he include more "diversity" in his reading list?

I don't give a shit, it was just obvious from his book selections what he thought philosophy was/should be about and why he's interested in it.

I've noticed that minorities tend to have a lot of anger but no actual solutions to the "problems" they see in the world. You see a few books by white people and then immediately go into attack mode, it's rather silly to be honest. Maybe you should practice some African peace chanting and calm down a little bit.

lmao that book is called scrotum

I've noticed that white people are really racist and that their socioeconomic position often enables it to go without consequence. I've also noticed that racism is a projection of a profoundly destroyed and perpetually fragile sense of self-worth, and that the possibility of an anti-racist perspective coming from a non "minority" is psychologically difficult for them to conceive because it would require confronting what racism is employed to cope with. I guess we both notice things. We're a lot alike.

What's wrong with Russell's history? Serious question.

Lol, I haven't replied to my thread in ages but you guys really managed to shit it up. First ten post were good, thanks guys.

Pic related
Always good to have a holistic understanding of history, religion and culture.

He's extremely brief.

I've read somewhere that Mythology by Edith Hamilton references The Illiad and The Odyssey, is that true?

No suggestions yet again.
It must be hard to be perpetually angry.
God-forsaken nazis are so hateful that the only realistic solution you've Got is spending hours typing half-cooked passive-aggressive remarks while Everything you can add to the conversation are your whinings.
Retard.

It references way more than that, outright summarizing some plays from Aeschylus. In all honesty you don't need it to read The Iliad or the Odyssey

No suggestions yet again.
It must be hard to be perpetually angry.
God-forsaken nazis are so hateful that the only realistic solution you've got is spending hours typing half-cooked passive-aggressive remarks.
Good enough for you I guess.
Everything you can add to the conversation meanwhile are your impotent cries of rage.
Retard, you and your ilk.

>gr*Eks
>russell
>any history (meme trash)
kys

Why? reddit sed it?

>Seems like you're more interested in building an edifice of white people to admire than in actual ideas.
don't you have somewhere on reddit you should be tending to

Kenny made me want to quit philosophy
Copleston brought me back to life.

Add in some Crowley and you're Golden (Dawn).

OP, you are falling into the pit of endless preparatory reading. It's good to give yourself a general introduction to the field and its development, but spending too much time at this stage before actually interacting with primary texts in any way is likely going to stunt your learning.

Alright thanks, but I assume I need some knowledge about Greek gods in order to read The Iliad or the Odyssey, what do you recommend to read in order to gain that knowledge then (unless I don't need that knowledge)

you'd think big whitey in his socio-economic position you describe would have a high sense of self worth

are you sure that you're not projecting your own 'profoundly destroyed and perpetually fragile sense of self-worth'?

Hesiod's Theogony

You sounds so full of resentment.

>getting this wound up
The vast majority of writers in the Western canon happen to be white. A novice, such as OP, has picked a few random books to get started and the authors happen to be white. Big whoop.

>that the possibility of an anti-racist perspective coming from a non "minority" is psychologically difficult for them to conceive because it would require confronting what racism is employed to cope with.
It's just that those who adopt such perspectives tend to be insecure creeps who lash out over nothing via armchair psychoanalysis in order to protect their fragile egos.

op holy fuck your thread made me grab the book you psychologically brainfucked me into this

This
and this
I'd recommend reading The Iliad and the Odyssey with Apollodorus' 'library' to the side.

Also, don't forget you can re-read books.....
Too often people make things unnecessarily difficult by trying to figure out the 'perfect' reading order.

Having read all three works (Iliad, Odyssey, Theogony), I think you'd gain more and more easily by starting with either the Iliad or the Odyssey straight away.

I don't think there's much rush to reading the original works if you aren't interested in heroic tales or epics in themselves.

If you are intersted in their influence, politics and philosophy, context then secondary sources are great, and better than the original works.

Perfectly fair points, but I was responding specifically to

>I assume I need some knowledge about Greek gods in order to read The Iliad or the Odyssey

You didn't even manage to meme.

You are the meme of a meme, dreaming of being a meme.

Not OP, but what are the primary texts? I keep hearing about people dissuading others from using secondary texts, but what primary texts are you talking about?

>I assume I need some knowledge about Greek gods in order to read The Iliad or the Odyssey
what's the problem with this? please explain (I'm the one who wrote this, genuinely interested)

not the guy, but most of the gods you are probably already familiar with (athene, zeus, hera, poseidon, aphrodite, apollo,...) and in case you encounter one you've never heard of before, just go to wickerpedia and look him up.

Alright thanks, I guess I'll just go ahead and read it without reading anything beforehand

Primary texts are the works itself such as The Republic, Iliad. Secondary texts often paraphrase and give background, explanations, etc. of the primary texts they're about.

Why would you jump right into Spinoza or Kierkegaard?

No, but you should have.

>all this filler
Just read the sourcetexts as you hear about them. Start with Plato, then work your way towards Nietzsche.

>Odyssey
That's not philosophy.

That's true. Who's your favorite West African philosopher?

i dont think reddit would like it much
pretty harsh portrayal of cultural decline

Not that user, but I actually liked the first sections of his book pretty good, the ones where he talks about the pre-Socratics and so on, I think it's a nice enough overview of classic/ancient philosophy that doesn't overstep its bounds insofar as he purports to write 'history' of Western philosophy. It's when he reaches modern/contemporary philosophy that he becomes too opinionated, it felt like his treatment of philosophers like Hegel and Marx just boils down to 'lol they were wrong'. Regarding this specific example, if I remember correctly, he barely even tries to connect the latter with the former as a secular reiteration of Hegelian dialectics, but focuses mostly on Marx as a theorist of economics. Then there's also the bit on Nietzsche which has become notorious for its refusal to meet the philosopher on his own premises (and yes, it is also largely an attack on Nietzsche's private person, not his writings).

And that would be?

>be racist and see nothing but skin color everywhere
>intrude on an intelligent discussion in order to declare your myopic perspective
>call other people racist when you are the one who brought up race

absolutely fucking pathetic

>first letter of each sentence

I think it depends on the book and its length. Reading all of Copleston without any primary texts would be insane, but Durant's extremely short Story of Philosophy got me really interested in and excited about a huge range of philosophers and eras of thought.

Was this user not trying to be satirical of the simplistic nature of the "minorities tend to have a lot of anger but no actual solutions" post?

I've noticed black people smell funny. I dunno maybe it's their cooking

I'm Irish and I asked Americans this question about the whole "black people smell bad" thing, and apparently it is solely because of their skin being more prone to drying out and so they use coconut oil to keep themselves lubricated.
Fucking barbarians.

The poor ones probably use gutter oil then.

Why?

>a projection of a profoundly destroyed and perpetually fragile sense of self-worth

To be completely honest, I'm seeing more than a little evidence of that in your own posts.