the best writer
The best writer
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It's astonishing to me how few people have heard of Shakespeare on this board.
Why create a thread to just restate what everyone knows is fact
kek
Los angloparlantes dejenmelos a mí.
He is a good author but he constantly makes his books worse by implementing political statements that are unnecessary and out of the place. You end up with whole chapters of political critique in a book that has nothing to do with it. It is what bothers me the most about his works, but I haven't read all of his books yet.
Good example is the beginning of the fifth part of Crime and Punishment, he goes on for 20 or 30 pages about modern day thinkers and even introducing a new character (that doesnt really have any other major role) just to critique modern ideology. The book is about the psychological effects of murder and being poor, not a political critique. Another example would be the whole 2 + 2 equals 4 critique of socialism in notes from the underground - it is a good analogy and critique, but it doesnt fit the story nor the characters and just seems out of place.
It is a major flaw I see in Dostoyevsky's writing. I do not mean that political critique is necessarily bad in a book, but Dostoevsky does it in a seemingly random way and without much meaning to the rest of the book.
What I would consider a good way of political or ideological critique would be The Kreutzer Sonata by Tolstoy - the old man has a discussion with a woman in the beginning in which he ridiculed the idea of women being the same as men and throughout the book he continuous to make remarks that fit this believe. The critique that Tolstoy wanted to make fits the rest of the books, but most importantly it fits the character and the way he acts in the story, it is not just a random political statement thrown randomly in a chapter, but it has a whole character built around it.
No actually they're perfectly fine where they are, it is you who is out of place. Dostoevsky writes about Russia and that is his only responsibiity
Weak argument. What I stated is a major flaw in his books, and shows that he is not the greatest writer ever, Tolstoy does what Dostoevsky does just better.
obligatory
thats not john williams
yeah, if you are a teenager
Is the Idiot good?
moralist tripe, ayn rand of "classier" people
No. It goes beyond being good, it's a masterpiece.
When I first read Dostoevsky I thought he was the best writer I'd ever read. Then I read Chekhov.
Don't get me wrong I can understand why people would prefer the former but for me Chekhov has him beat for writing ability and competes in pathos, albeit in a more subdued and less shamefully lurid way. Chekhov mediates his thoughts with greater subtlety through his characters whereas with Dosotevesky it is always clear which words are coming directly from the horses mouth.
Proust is a bad writer, not to mention a jew, and that picture of him holding his chin up with no support under his elbow is retarded. Take it to reddit.
i do agree. it does feel a bit forced and comical when he does this. feels like he was being held at gunpoint.
he trying to do an einstein
>not to mention a jew
go back to pol and read some Ebola
"He Was A Prophet, A Claptrap Journalist And A Slapdash Comedian" Nabokov btfo Dostoyevsky a long time ago. This is /thread stillborn.
GHASTLY RIGMAROLE
I know 95% of thw posts in this retarded board are memes, "just preteding to be retarded" and baits but there is no such things as "the best author", "the best book" etc. This is basic to anyone that have read more than 10 (good) books and Veeky Forums doesn't meet the criteria
Also OP is a faggot
babys first "real" literature
*Lee Corso voice*
not so fast my friend!
All of his major works are essentially political. Crime and Punishment was written in the midst of a political debate about whether crime was a social or individual issue. Notes from underground was a direct parody of and response to Chernyshevsky.
CnP is also about the source of murder.
I think it would be unfitting if the contrarian underground man didn't mention the fact that no political or social structure would satisfy him.
None of it is random. It all has basis in real things people really said and believed in Russia at the time. Read Joseph Frank if you don't believe me.
Hmm I never thought of it that way user.
Almost everything he wrote sounded like he was being held at gunpoint, especially Crime and Punishment's ending.
Jesús esta complacido
The ending is so absurd it's almost tongue in cheek
What was wrong with the ending? I thought it was good.
Pushkin my friend
Dostoievsky only wrote to lick the tsar's ballsack for sparing him
Where's a good place to start?
Bronze Horsemen. But, in my opinion, Pushkin is very overrated.
Truly the Rick and Morty of literature
You take that back, you little whore!
Nabokov>Tolstoy>Dostoevsky
Kek
fpbp
Proust is the greatest writer of all time, although Joyce and Dostoevsky are very close
Nabokov was trash.
Just kidding. But his theories on other writers is often trash because he had an enormous ego and he was trying to elevate himself above them and he was smart enough to know there would be internet autists on the internet who would choose to read him instead of another author because he said something funny about them. And he was an aesthete, which is kinda gay. Don't get me wrong he was one of the writers who best understood the importance of aesthetics, not just in physical presentation, but in the way the reader's mind actually consumed the book, but being a complete and total aesthete only goes so far and, I think, held him back from being even better. Also, it's kinda gay.
You sound like you are more than just "kinda" gay.
>that elongated head
The flaws in middle age portraiture are no excuse. Cervantes was ayylmao.
Turgenev, my friends.
I agree, but only because he trashed Faulkner, and infuriates me.
But he was an anti-nihilist and Rick and Morty is based on shallow teenage nihilism
i disagree
Any The Grand Inquisitor illustrations?
When I google "The Grand Inquisitor" it gives me images of some lightsaber moron...
The emotional conceit of the show is dissecting and controverting the psychological makeup of a nihilistic personality. You should watch the show. Don’t base all your opinions on Veeky Forums maymays.
He sucks, too much Christ-insanity.
>not to mention a jew
Go back.
Dosto is the best for a certain demographic...very emotional and solipsistic in a young male way
Nabokov is the literary equivalent of David Lynch. Anyone who mentions him in a serious context should be embarrassed.
There is no best writer you idiot
Too far.
How do I ascend past being this demographic? I'm 22.
That's what all the high school 'intellectuals' think. Until they read the 'Possessed', that is. Then Fjodor Mihailovits become the syonym for hardcore, right-wing reactionary.
But they rarely read it. Their professors don't recommended it.
Said novel, 'Idiot', 'Dead house' and 'Crime..' are good novels no doubt and only Solzenitsyn have managed to follow in the same trails (similary Shalamov can be compared to Tsehov of course).
I don't understand the praise for 'Brothers Karamazov'. It's uncomplete, it doesnt offer anything that Idiot doesn't, so what is the selling point?
Ha! Excellent quip, good sir. +1
t. communist
Agree with you, Proust is one of the greatest. Although Dostoyevsky also comes close.
>What if like, everyone is responsible for everyone's sin? WOAAAH
>I'm 22.
Get laid
Picked up a copy of Brothers Karamazov today for 37¢. What should I expect? Are there any prerequisites I should read?
I'm about half way through it. If you haven't read any before the russian names can get a little confusing, but there aren't really any prerequisites. Although If it's your first Dostoevsky book I might start with something a little easier/shorter.
Thanks for the pointers! I'm entirely new to Dostoevsky and Russian lit. I'll check out his earlier stuff. Any recommendations?
I would say crime and punishment or notes from the underground. But it doesn't really matter too much. Just start with whatever sounds most interesting to you.
Be familiar with the Bible. That's it.
I think I feel real hate here
Brothers Karamazov is the greatest novel ever written.
sure, if you've read ten novels in your life
Well, let us look through writing. It seems like you are really contused, mentally injured imbecile. I can say it face to face, how about you come and listen? All this bullshit that you wrote is just plain and simple fucking lie, you indoor Rambo. Your life would not get better just because you wrote a lot. Bullshiting is not a hard job, lots of fags like you thawed out in a spring. People say about fags like you: 'Mom did not want it, dad did not even try'. Read my message to you closely, try to analyze it and make some conclusions for yourself.
Top-4
Idiot
The Brothers Karamazov
Crime and Punishment
Demons
I was reading up on it and saw this: "It is a spiritual drama of moral struggles concerning faith, doubt, judgment, and reason, set against a modernizing Russia, with a plot which revolves around the subject of patricide." That doesn't ruin anything, does it? No more than knowing of Cain and Abel?
Oh fuck me I misread it. I thought it read fratricide not patricide
But it's the Communists who go from praising Fjodor Mihailovits to hating him after reading the Possessed/Devils?
The Dead house is a camp memoir, very easy read and especially interesting - alongside with Tsehov's Sahalin notes - if you're gonna read Solzenitsyn's Arhipelag GULag, since he repeatedly compares the old 'Archipelago' to the new (Soviet) one.
>but he constantly makes his books worse by implementing political statements that are unnecessary and out of the place
that's what i thought reading his books
For fucks sake, how can you write a book about nineteenth century Russia without going into politics? You cannot describe Peter of the said century without radical student circles, all the revolutionary ideas of them and so forth. Thats like writing about Russia without vodka, muzhik, footwraps and lapti.
And especially if the writer himself was a part of radical intelligentsia, who in time realized the complete idiocy of Russian fanatic maximalist attitude.
Just admit it: it's because he's critizing the political ideas which you're so fond of, but which eventually caused unlimited suffering. If he went and critized the muh evil reactionary capitalists (which didn't exist before the last two decades of 19th Century in Russia), you woudn't mind.
Where my Gogolbois at
Same here. Faulkner is one of the few authors I'll defend to the death. Pure genius.
*blocks your path*
It's a good telenovela. And also one of the best books ever written.
No.
No.
Yes.
Dostoyplebsky is the ultimate author for pseudo-literates and pseudo-philosophers. If you are too intelligent to read genre and too retarded to read (an objectively superior writer like) Tolstoy, Dostoyevsky is your guy. The first time I had the misfortune of deciphering one of his scribblings, I thought to myself, "was this written by an autistic teenager trying to emulate what great literature of the past must have seemed like to him?" I soon discovered that it was the exact opposite; this endlessly moralizing and sometimes downright inexcusable "prose" was written by a much older failure of a man, who is now lauded by academics and the denizens of internet forums such as this one. Truly sickening.
I feel the same way about most of the political parts (hell, he even shows some kind of self awareness in The Demons), but in my opinion you don't read Dostoevskij because he's written formally perfect books, then a little political blab doesn't disturb that much.
Step aside, old farts.
Nabakov was just butthurt, he shit talked everyone for no reason
PHENOTYPE
Dostoevsky is abused by pseudo-intellectuals, sadly.
The most well-read and well-educated persons I know all respect Dostoevsky, probably as number 1.
>Déjenmelos
>No dejadmelos
no
Dostoevsky and Shakespeare are probably the top tier writers.
>internet autists on the internet
>internet on the internet
>internet internet.
This doesn't mean anything, though. The most well-read people you know can be plebs for all we know.
Here friend. However Checkhov is also based.
It's not good, it's fantastic.
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Best book ever written.
He named it The idiot because anyone who doesn't like this book is an idiot.
Ayyyyyyyy mijo
yet Tolstoy thought Dostoyevsky was a genius
why is it that all french people seem to have bulging eyes?