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Origins of the Romanians
Aiden Long
Charles White
>To me, in such a scenario, the most logical outcome would be for the Romanized populations to be assimilated in time, not spread further amongst the 'free Dacians' as stated in Romanian historiography.
Yeah, but the free area was a... influence zone(can't remember the argument well, but basically, the geography made those plains cultural dispersal areas. Was from an article that debunked WE WUZ arguments, funnily enough).
>And in regards to the Slavic migrations, I presume that the Romanians formed as a result of the intermingling between predominantly Slavophone communities with Latinophone(Vlach) shepherds. Yet I can't understand why would the Slavophones be assimilated by those shepherds - they were a minority, they were less prestigious and they were less civilized(with Slavs having settled, agricultural communities, while Vlachs being nomadic).
It happened slowly, via cultural dispersion and some small proto-state things spread out.
Just as the mixed areas of Moldova got re-latinised, with szekely help(shhh...)
>And their whole early medieval culture seems to be a carbon copy of Orthodox Bulgarian culture. So put rather bluntly, am I safe to assume that they are 'incomplete Bulgarians' because of the weaker influence north of the Danube of the Second Bulgarian Tsardom?
Sort of.
Fun fact(also in regards to ):
We were more latin before, but a couple of incidents, from Bulgarian decrees, to Alexander the Good's decision to use chirylic to counter roman-catholic proselytism slavonised some areas hard:
"Teoctist of the bulgar nation, deacon of Mark of Efesus(main opponent of the abortive schism mending of Florence), in order to unroot from Moldova the seed of catholicism, and forever cull the ability of the young to read the sofisms of the latins, entrusted Alexander the Good with banishing from the country people of other faiths, and removing latin letters from all writings and books, and replacing them with slavic ones"-Descriptio Moldavie
Nathan Ross
Found the article:
cabalinkabul.wordpress.com
Translates "Dacians" as "Gauls", though, for some reason.
And the term is Johanna Nichol's "spread zone":
frathwiki.com
Blake Barnes
>Romanians never waged any war against anyone - they just defended.
Esti retardat
Carter Hall
>Dacians get btfo by the Romans
>Romans cull the Dacian elite and most of the male population
>They mix and colonize most of Wallachia & parts of Transylvania and Moldova.
>The Romans eventually retreat because of falling empire
>Remaining population eventually become the Vlahs
>They intermingle the natives of Moldova & Transylvania ( geographically speaking, the countries didn't exist at this point)
>Migrations period starts
>Slavs,goths,visigoths, and every other migratory people come through.
>Lots of loan words are had but the native population still remains as dominant.
>Migration period stops, slavs were the ones that chose to settle in the largest numbers.
>Hungary expands into Transylvania.
>Pecheng horse niggers take over the rest.
>Being horse niggers they cannot into stat building so they just take tribute and leave nothing of value
cont.
Michael Clark
I've read a theory that Slavs and Turkics were at fault.
Supposedly future Rumanians came from modern Bulgaria, that is north-western heavily romanized part. When future Bulgarians invaded, they've assimilated most locals yet expelled many more to other directions. Albanians supposedly were not-romanized Thracians expelled south-west with future Aromunians to marginal hilly or mountaneous areas unsuitable for agriculture, and they were mostly herders as only herders had such a mobility.
Future Vlachs were expelled north into Carpathians, lowlands still being Slavic prime estate. Muntenia was probably "Bulgarian", Moldova was a totally Russian land with Tiverians, Ulichi and other settled Slavic tribes.
Cont.
Lucas Lopez
cont.
>There are still reports of Vlah noblemen, royalty, chieftains but no serious state building.
>Mongols invade.
>ohfuck.jpg
>Pechengs get rekt.
>Hungarians get rekt.
>Everyone S-E of the Carpathians gets decimated.
>Pope shits his pants. Orders the Hungarians to establish Wallachia as a voievodat to act as a buffer state against future incursions.
>This will cause massive amounts of butthurt and revisionism to nationalistic retarded Romanians in the present day. (t. Romanian)
>They eventually declare independence.
>Vlah nobleman living in Hungarian Transylvania starts to explore what is now Moldova.
>Finds that it is practically deserted after the Mongols left.
>Says fuck it and decides to be king instead of swearing loyalty to the Hungarians.
>Brings noblemen from Transylvania and Wallachia to colonize.
>Shit we need dumbasses to work the fields.
>Buy a bunch of Russian, Polish, Szekely and Wallachian peasants.
>But establish Wallachian as the language of the kingdom.
>This is why Moldavians have the most distinct accents and different words for stuff compared to the rest of Romania.
>First records of gypsy slaves are from this period.
>Afterwards the history is documented enough.
Basically Romania exists as a consequence of the Mongol invasion.
Camden Nelson
>Writing was invented in romania
>Romanians are the original Latins, latins migrated to italy from there
>Indo europeans origins are in romania
Romanian here, all of those are a meme and not taken very seriously. If anything Roman ancestry is still the most accepted origin.
>WE WUZ CAESARS AND SHIT
Robert Long
And as an addendum, keep in mind that people were a hell of a lot more decentralized than they are today.
Even when I was growing up you could find a village with a word for potato and then the next village would have a different word.
This shows the effect that large amounts of migration had on the population.
Romanian was most likely used as a lingua franca for that region.
Proper Romanian was mostly what the nobles used and it didn't really become a thing until mandatory free state education was established.
Also disregard the /pol retards. There is a growing nationalistic/fascist resurgence in Romania by idiots who believe foreigners make Romania shit and not the politicians that steal billions of euros every year.
They find /pol and they eventually shit other boards. I apologize for them.
Asher Sanders
Now mountains were left to Vlachs, and lowlands to Slavs. No assimilation occured yet as both peoples lived parallel lives. Yet agricultural vocabulary came from Slavs fittingly.
Slavs were a majority due to Bulgarian and Russian power.
When Magyars were displaced by Pecheneg onslaught, nasty Turkic Pecheneg and later Cuman nomads came. Nasty as in preferring raid and loot to direct rulership and integration unlike Bolghars, Avars or christian Hungarians. Slavs in Moldova mostly left to Russia, some in Wallachia perhaps moved to shrinking Bulgaria. Others had to flee to the mountains to Vlach herders, unless they liked their shit being raided on weekly basis. Pechenegs and Cumans still became local aristocracy. I believe Muntenia didn'n see mass agriculture well after Golden Horde shrank in size and importance, and Moldova even later. Arable land was recolonized by Vlachs who had absorbed refugee Slavs from well before Pecheneg-Magyar boogaloo. There you go, Romance speaking people of all class in late mediaeval Rumania and Moldova.