ITT: People your country consider heroes you personally fucking hate for some—or no—reason

Churchill

youtube.com/watch?v=W_ZLGb-BNsI

Perhaps the most one dimensional pandering fuck we've had yet. Also that 3 week coverage of his funeral was a TV nightmare.

What are you,a fucking commie?

This dude

"Otac Domovine" or "Father of the Homeland"

This.

He was good at public speaking and thats it, nothinrg else.

He literally did nothing else good.

This commie agitator.

>lives in white man's society, reaps all its benefits and uses its inventions
>complains about white man's society whilst wearing clothes, using language, and not living in a shit hut

This guy, so fucking tired of "muh strong leader" type of people glorifying him.

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That's one sexy priest tho

KELLY DINDU NUFFIN HE WUZ A GUD BOIII

Literally the most corrupt head of state of all times

Is this the Argentinian midfield for the next World Cup?

This cuck

Holy moly I was about to post the same but was too lazy to find a pic on google.
He was no cuck though since he was the one doing the cucking on a regular basis.

Every important black person within the public eye after Dr.King

All of them are dumb asses

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Can't agree on Brand, but Adorno, oh how I hate that bastard.

Are you trolling?

The Reformation would have come with or without him,

It's not about the reformation but Luther personally.

Tell me more.
I know he was a cunt when it came to peasants, but is it something else that's bad with him?

Let's get even more specific.

That's Carl Schmitt.

For me it's mainly that he's portrayed as some kind of modern thinker, almost humanitarian. That's something he definitely wasn't.

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Yes, I am a filthy Commie.

Glorified cheerleader

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>Literally ruled for a month or two
>Greatest Ukranian leader.

Lee Kuan Yew and the PAP.

It's not just the locals, but also leaders around the world.

Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch have a laundry list of human rights violation he and his fucking political party have committed and the world fucking endorsed by saying nothing.

While he didn't explicitly oversee the entire process of the clusterfuck of cancer known as the Trans Pacific Protocol, I know he was at least alive for some of it and I'm pretty sure he would have signed it.

Singapore is the only country to have sued an outgoing politician. No kidding.

Singapore is also more than happy to sue teenagers and 9 year olds for being teenagers and being kids (for daring to criticize the country and over "copyright laws" respectively.

Would Turkey exist with its current borders without him?

>Lee Kuan Yew
>Yew

Nelson Mandela

The Turks truly did not deserve Attaturk. He should've never taken charge and allowed Turkey to descend into the Muslamic shithole it so desperately wants to become.

Anne Frank is literally the opposite of a heroine, she hid for fuck sake.

>tfw the only decent Turk in history was actually a Greek

I don't *hate* him per se, but he was a slimy bollix
>hid like a lil bitch during 1916
>met Lloyd George secretly before the Treaty negotiations
>he therefore knew there was no chance of us getting a republic at the negotiating table
>sent Michael Collins etc to take the blame instead
>got publicly butthurt when they signed the treaty
>didn't start the civil war but certainly didn't help with his speeches; "we'll have wade through rivers of Irish blood to establish the Republic"
>hid like a lil bitch when the civil war kicked off
>sold out and took the oath of allegiance to the King and went into govt. in the 1930s
>took credit for everything the previous govt did during the 1920s
>betrayed all the IRA guys who had fought for him
>being neutral in WWII was the best (and arguably only the only good) thing he did but he went about it kinda retardedly
>offering condolences to the Germans when Hitler died etc

Turkey would be even larger taking back the arabian coastline and maybe even egypt, Bulgaria and Greece if it wouldn't have been for Atatürk. he decided they grabbed enough land back, dictated the land for 20 years before dying of liver failure due to his alcohol problem. Basically he decided to backstab the Ottoman generals who supported him in freeing Turkey, because he promised them he would bring the Ottomans back. His achievements were great but somehow everyone ignores the fact that he backstabbed his closes generals, political supressed people that were against him and basically did whatever he wanted to.

He was not Greek. He was Turk through through.

Hamilton and all the rest of those federalist assholes

Yes I am a butthurt Jeffersonian

And let's say that he don't comes to power and Turkey tries to take back all these lands, what if the allies actually decides they are a threat against everyone else and comes in to help their neighbors to take land from Turkey and neutralize the country?

This fucker right here

>steal billions and ruin an emerging economy
>he dindu nuffin!

Hearing people praise him makes me sick.

forgot pic

Din't he ruin the environment as well?

Not sure if they are considered heroes buy Frida Kahlo and Diego Rivera.
Can't stand those commies.

Fucker ruined everything.
Now his wife is parading around being glorified.
Come to think of it, the entire political system is fucked.

Atatürk had a rivalry going with Enver Pasha, who was the highest Military commander only below the Sultan himself. The Allies were completely exhausted after fighting Germany, and Enver had very close relations with Willhelm II., seeing how germany got to keep MOST of their clay I'm sure Enver could have figured out a way to make Turkey keep most of their clay too.

Didn't most of the land you lost have a Non-Turkish majority though?
The reason the Germans got to keep so much land was that they simply was a majority in most of it.
Also, your other Ally Austria, got off even worse than you and let's face it. The only strong country in that alliance was Germany, everyone else was either small countries or "The old sick men of Europe:"

Well, Enver knew about this problem, he knew he couldn't keep most of the land when it was full of other people. Incase you didn't know, Enver was responsible for the Slaughter of many many non-turks, Armenians, Kurds, etc. He sought to clean the land of non-türk so that after the war was over he could keep most of the land the turks got back since the non-turk majority was...gone.

I do agree, Germany was the bulk of this war when it came to raw power, but the turks held a great number of russian back alongside the Austrians.

You guys need to raise Ramon Magsaysay from the dead.

So you support Slaughter as a way of expanding borders into lands with no Turkish majority?

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Kārlis Ulmanis - Latvian dictator from the mid 1930's till 1940
While his reign was ultimately prosperous and was the so called ''Golden Age'' for my country, he fucked us over in the end by selling us out to the Soviet Union without the fight. It resulted in tens of thousands of people getting killed or deported. While most people think that was a good idea because it spared lots of lives from a war, Stalin could claim that we joined USSR willingly. He thought he would still remain in power, but eventually got deported himself to some shithole in inner Soviet Union and died from dysentery. Also his propaganda and personality cult is fucking laughable.

I never said that I supported Enver, my original point was that people are literal fanatics when it comes to Atatürk here. I get it, he is a great man to the nation, but they mention him everywhere, in every political debate, in every moral standpoint, they mention him. It is time to move on but because of these fanatics we can't.

i love reading about these two, with attaturk being the perfect leader, brilliant in any way in contrast to enver with his constant fuck ups. these two ultimately shaped modern turkey, attaturk being the light and enver being the darkness. attaturk being the turbo-chads while enver being the autistic robots

Ah yes I recall how Indonesians where mute nudists untill the Dutch came

Ah, I see, sorry, thought you said you wanted his ways much rather than Attaturk's or something.
And isn't it a problem with many of those that wants to put an end to the Attaturk cult also want to end secularism?

Didn't the Soviets have to isolate the Balkans from the rest of the country when they first invade because the area was so much richer? Just think I heard that.

Singapore is basically the Israel of Asia.

i am lukewarm about Churchill

also i loathe Bruce Forsyth and I think Diana was a total moron

attaturk ended creating a modern republic out of the ottoman empire while enver ended up dying trying to create a pan-turkic state in the caucasus, in a desperate cavalry charges against the russian, with the koran in hands.

Closer to past Venice, actually.

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Yes, this is true to some extend. AKP supporters tend to like their Ottoman heritage more than their Turkish heritage. And seeing how Atatürk brought an end to the Ottomans, he is not liked, but not hated either since he liberated Turkey. Secularism in Turkey will never end, the only way it could would be in a brutal civil war. While every political party strives for different goals, Atatürk and his legacy are almost sacred, similiar to lets say the Declartion of Independence.

One of the worst presidents we ever had, directly responsible for out current economic problems and he defended kebab instead of removing it.

Why do you hate her tho?

>Why doesn't international politics solely revolve around religion ;___;

Reagan.
FDR and his wife.
Rosa Parks.
Jesus.

All those edges

Harper was a piece of crap that was selling parts of our land to the Chinese, and now this asshat is going to make every country want to annex/invade us by being too peaceful and stupid (that quote is just fucking stupid). It's a bad time to be a Canadian.

He did do a lot of significant stuff in those several months to be perfectly fair, but he wasn't THAT good, and he was kicked out for a reason.

I'd say he's overrated, but I don't think many people see him as a hero. It can certainly seem that way in hindsight because it was one of the last periods where the executive and the legislative both agreed to try to balance the federal budget. Sad that's enough of a qualification these days.

Anyway, here's my choice. Seriously, fuck this faggot.

Why hate him?

I can't think of a president who flailed about more uselessly or more disastrously.

>directly decide to intervene in a European imperial conflict
>post Roosevelt status quo authoritarian
>muh leage of nations

What was the point of his presidency beyond getting thousands of young men killed on some foreign adventure and then creating a framework for an organization that has the dubious distinction of being helpless witness to the rise of some of history's greatest monsters?

You are a fucking cretin

Full retard

You're right. I'm stupid for supporting a president who made pointless grand gestures which accomplished zero of his policy goals.

literally a pro-revolutionairy commie
Inventor of champagne socialism

Am I being rused?

The only signature piece of his presidency worth a shit was tariff reduction. Most of his anti-trust legislation has eroded away to nothing and the FTC is kind of (see:always) a joke as a regulatory body. Do you have actual rebuttals beyond memes?

Libertarian I take it?

No. His legacy is overrated and all the dick sucking he gets as a "great" president is undeserved. It's almost as bad as Jefferson.

This incompetent bastard. He completely screwed us over. Ruined the education system by making it free, fucked over the economy, forced an "Arab" identity that Egyptians never really had and presently only have in name on us which is one of the reasons why we were so influenced by Wahhabism from actual Arab countries. He turned some of the most beautiful buildings we have into dysfunctional state schools. Sure, he was good on paper. The economy grew while he was in power and school enrolment increased but when schools don't do jack shit then increased enrolment doesn't mean jack shit. And a growing economy doesn't mean jack shit when most of the money goes to a shitty, clunky, and bureaucratic socialist government. I'm glad we lost the war with Israel we had under his power because I know that he died with the knowledge that he failed his country and that he will die a loser.1

I can't tell if your b8ing, edgy, retarded, or all at once at this point.

>status quo understanding of history
>calling someone else a troll
>no refutation at all

Not him, but so far in over 6 posts all you've said is a variation of "you're dumb" and "b8", while he made lengthy posts explaining his positions.

The question is, do you have anything of substance to say? Or are you just sperging?

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His points are so stupid I'm not even gonna bother addressing them.
>muh isolationism
Absolutely cretinous

I'm glad you are only able to create simplistic reasoning for the logic behind short, two-sentence posts, considering no where in your "discourse" with the anti-Wilson does he mention isolationism at all - only what he perceived as the disastrous results of intervention in that context.

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fuck you, senpai