Have there ever been any leaders who were legitimately mentally ill? Like...

There was a Byzantine emperor who was balls crazy. Justin II or something like that.

Also that Caliph who ordered the dogs of Egypt killed, and then the cats.

Elagabalus was a transsexual.

Yeah Justin II was nuts. They apparently frequently had to stop him from throwing himself off the palace walls to his death.

Nixon wasn't full on "off with their heads" nuts, but he did have his fair share of mental health difficulties.

He probably would have been a pretty good president if he wasn't so mental.

Couldn't most dicators that committed large attrocities be regarded as psychopaths?

Especially when their regimes did not benefit their country at all.

The big three socialists, Stalin, Hitler and Mao come to mind.

A pscyhopath is a human with the inability to empathize, a person who can kill many people isnt a psycho unless you lack empathy otherwise most warrriors in every country's history are psychopaths which is not true.

Ferdinand I of Austria was pretty fucked up. He was legitimately retarded and suffered 2 dozen seizures every day too. Poor bastard, that's what 4 centuries of Habsburg inbreeding will do to you though.

Reagan had dementia while in office. His wife made most decisions, after consulting her astrologer. Pic related. He doesn't even know why everyone is laughing.

is narcisissm a mental illness
is paranoia a mental illness
is megalomania a mental illness
is sociopathic behavior a mental illness..

>Charles II still hasn't been posted
Like, come on, it's the current year.

Guess this one is fine too.

Obama is a legitmate narcissist. Source: masters in clinical psych

>A pscyhopath is a human with the inability to empathize
I'd say that fits the bill of Stalin pretty well.

In that case then the likes of Stalin were certainly psychopaths, unable to empathize bot with the millions they had power over and even their own families.

>We told them the wealth would "trickle down!"

I would say he has a pretty big ego and a high opinion of himself (it's obvious to anyone who listens to his more candid interviews, or whenever he displays himself playing sport), but I wouldn't go as far as to say that he's a full-blown narcissist.

>source: my uncle's facebook repost

>muh amphetamines

He was megalomaniac even in youth. A fairly popular theory is Autism, but Hitler was far too socially consistent to deserve the diagnoses. Most likely Boderline Personality, with heavy psychotic tenancies.

It was Stalin himself who said "the death of one man is a tragedy, the death of a million is a statistic" (I'm paraphrasing).

I'm no psychologist, but I imagine it's a lot easier to justify "I had one million people executed because I thought they were potentially traitors" vs "I had this guy killed because I don't like him on a personal level."

That's a common misattribution though.

Elagabalus was a transsexual
Charles VI of France thought he was made of glass
Juana of Castile, of course

This is absolute bullshit, Reagan only developed it 3 years after he left.

Only one of his staffers ever said that he showed signs of it, and he's been widely denounced.

Caligula
Gave his horse a Senate seat and everything

Most politicians ARE narcissistic in nature.

How the hell do you get into politics anyway if you are not full of it to begin with.

Charles II of Spain. He was fucked up both in body and mind.

This is what happens when your family have too much incest between cousins

Oh, so he did know everything about Iran Contra!
>tfw the right wing's favorite poster boy committed treason

Christian VII rose to the throne of Denmark in 1766, even though everyone was pretty sure he was crazy. That probably had something to do with the fact that he would often throw food at his dinner guests
At some point, Christian developed a newfound fascination with his penis, by which we mean he jerked it so often that it interfered with his duties. The court physicians actually worried that Christian's chronic habit was affecting his health -- they thought that it would render him infertile and that it was stunting his growth, which was the 18th century version of "Stop that or you'll go blind."

But at least Christian didn't usually do it in front of visiting dignitaries. What he did do was leapfrog over them when they bowed to him, and sometimes he'd slap people in the face in the middle of a conversation for absolutely no reason.

Eventually, Christian's mind was so far gone that his personal physician, Johann Streunsee, basically yanked the whole kingdom out from underneath him by talking the king into handing over control of his executive decisions, as well as boning the queen behind Christian's back.

That's really sad, but funny as well.

So fucked up. Lost 100 years war and his daughter to Henry V.
When he was 23, he watched his friends burn to death at a party.
>At the suggestion of Huguet de Guisay, the king and four other lords[12] dressed up as wild men and danced about.
>king's brother Louis of Valois, Duke of Orléans, who had arrived late, approached with a lighted torch in order to discover the identity of the masqueraders, and he set one of them on fire. There was panic as the fire spread. The Duchess of Berry threw the train of her gown over the king.[14] Several knights who tried to put out the flames were severely burned. Four of the wild men perished: Charles de Poiters, son of the Count of Valentinois; Huguet de Guisay; Yvain de Foix; and the Count of Joigny. Another – Jean, son of the Lord of Nantouillet – saved himself by jumping into a dishwater tub.[15]

I'm not defending Reagan's foreign affairs policy, I'm just saying that he wasn't demented.

1. Realize the president has actually little power.
2. Realize you have been elected as president for reason 1.
3. ???
4. Walk into lake

2nding Elagabalus

Hitler was completely sane, his health deteriorated from strychnine poisoning and amphetamine use at the end of his term but by all accounts remained cogent enough. Stalin's paranoid tendencies are greatly overstated, but he would be a much less stable personality than Hitler or other period dictators like Mussolini, Franco, etc.

Caligula wasn't crazy, reports of his eccentric behavior fail to take into account his power-struggle with the Senate
Giving his horse a seat was a way to passive-aggressively mock them, and ordering his armies to "collect seashells" was a complete mistranslation of hauling in boats to land, which were referred to by a similar name
also
>all these armchair psychologists who think "psychopath" isn't anything but a meme diagnosis
Yeah, how convenient that there's a specific page in the DSM for "people who do things I don't like"! I bet someone here still thinks SPD is a real disorder too. Pfft.

Franco was probably the most down to hearth dictator in the history of humankind. Not a single one eccentricity in his record. He was boring.

All yes

> 39 replies
> Henry VI of England not mentioned

For fucks sake Veeky Forums get it together.

>"people who do things I don't like"
There isn't even a page for psycopathy in the DSM-V. It's more like a subset of Anti-Social Personality Disorder. It's got different specifiers than Narcisistic Personality Disorder or Borderline Disorder, two profiles that also share important traits attributed to psycopaths.

The BAU treats "psycopath" as the organized criminal profile, as opposed to "psycothic" the disorganized criminal profile.

t. technically an accredited psychologist

Nothing of Gaius Iulius Caesar's epilepsy?

Well, outside of that, it's been said that Ronald Reagan was starting to show signs of Alzheimer's while in office.

>technically

Fuck you, you're not shit.

Brah I'm 100% anti-commie but Stalin did lead Russia to industrialization.

The question is if it could have been done with less bloodshed, and if not, was it worth it?

Was this the inspiration for hop-frog?

very common in European monarchs. Two reasons. One is incest, which produces mentally messed up children.
The other was medieval child care practices, which included child molestation. In medieval Europe, the nannies of princes and noble children would masturbate them to get them to sleep or if they were being unruly.
With all those traumatized, child molested, and incestuously bred royals running around, it's no wonder some were cuckoo.

The amount of great leaders who took mercury medicinally is huge, and each one of them would have been headfucked by the end of that treatment. Most longstanding nations in Eurasia had at least one mercury-fueled leader figure, that shit was everywhere.

Ivan the Terrible
That Muslim cunt that burned down the Holy Sepulcher

>the nannies of princes and noble children would masturbate them to get them to sleep

Sources for perverted curiosity

fuck i havent eaten all day that looks so good

Citation needed for pretty much all of that bullshit.

The King's Body by Sergio Bertelli

Everytime I see that image I want to eat.

This Christian guy sounds like a real wanker desu, just for slapping people in the face for no reason. Never heard of him though.

>What he did do was leapfrog over them when they bowed to him, and sometimes he'd slap people in the face in the middle of a conversation for absolutely no reason.

Brillliant.

Fuck, I agree.
It all looks so good.

Romans used lead for their water pipes, especially the upper class

So I think most of their leaders had lead poisoning which affects your thinking

Uhm.. thanks, I guess

They're personality disorders to be specific, but yes.

Thomas Jackson might have had OCD and/or Asperger's
>Before becoming a general, Jackson was an instructor at the Virginia Military Institute, where he was considered “appallingly bad,” largely because of his petty, obsessive approach to discipline and his inability to communicate with his students. Jackson was seen as secretive and antisocial, rarely seeking out company – although he was respected as a member of his church.

>His private life was characterized by eccentricity, hypochondria and bizarre obsessions, including the belief that his arms were of unequal length. As such, he had a habit of lifting the “longer” arm into the air to balance out his circulation. However, despite his obsessive behavior, Jackson’s leadership probably enabled the Confederates to win more victories than would otherwise have been possible.

I have a license. I don't practice clinic though.

But what I said is truth. Your didn't address any of the facts I exposed, just skipped straight to ad hominem.

LOOK AT THE TOP OF HIS HEAD

>Cassius Dio reported that Elagabalus would paint his eyes, epilate his hair and wear wigs before prostituting himself in taverns, brothels, and even in the imperial palace
l-lewd

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Bolivian President Mariano Melgarejo, either a gigantic moron or mentally ill, you decide.

>Mariano Melgarejo's almost foolhardy valor and brutal obduracy are the stuff of legend, as are the tall-tales, still in circulation (some 135 years after his death) of things he supposedly did or did not do. Melgarejo was said to have given a vast amount of land to Brazil (Treaty of Ayacucho), for what he described as a magnificent white horse. The stories tell that a Brazilian minister presented Melgarejo with a white horse and other gifts, and to show his appreciation Melgarejo pulled out a map of Bolivia, traced the horse's hoof and gave that land away to the Brazilian government. This and other incidents, such as the seizure and sale of communal land on the Altiplano (Bolivian high plateau) to the highest bidder, deprived virtually all Indians of their land within a few decades. It is also said that in 1870 when Germany invaded France, he ordered one of his top generals to send most of his army to help defend Paris, a city he was fascinated by for its tales of sophistication and elegance, but also a city he could not even locate on a map. His General said it was impossible; it would take forever, as they would have to cross the Atlantic Ocean. Infuriated, Melgarejo said "Don't be stupid! We will take a short cut through the brush!"

For a moment I thought that was a piece of a bread, and it would be great to eat it.

>that head
we need to dig deeper here

takes me back to playing Hearts of Iron

This poor guy.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_VII_of_Denmark

Hitler's big selling point was being anti-commie, though. Plus, he sold off/privatized a lot of government assets once he came into power.

>The question is if it could have been done with less bloodshed
Not while maintaining bolshevik rule (ie: capitalism) / capitalism.

>was it worth it?
See Hume on whether we can know the moral.

King Farouk of Egypt

>shot the tires out of other peoples sports cars while in own sports car
>had extensive collection of pornography
>stole winston churchills watch

Nixon was a good president.

Yeah but.

>have an election in the bag
>break into the enemy parties HQ anyway

If he hadn't been stupid about these things, he'd be a top ten president easily.

aaaand then there's this fucking noob.

King Charles VI
Oh, and definitely King Christian VII

A quick "Google Search" could display the, well, insanity of both leaders.

This guy sounds awesome.

The tapes exposed more than corruption. He was a horrific racist and anti-semite, the bigotry of which prevented some measures from being passed.

>Hitler
>Socialist

Now please, tell me how because the acronym has the world Socialist in it, that the nation itself actually practiced it. Sort of how "Communist China" uses free trade and the free market.

>This far into the Thread
>No one mentions comodus or caligula

They were the pure definition of insane

if you want to pin racism on one president, it's got to be LBJ.

"I'll have those niggers voting democrat for two hundred years"

extremely ironic since he still isn't wrong. Nixon didn't like jews though. Wasn't it him that said they'll turn on you? kek

that cheese gives me a boner

>0 proof he ever said that

Great Society objectively ruined black people, for real. It created a class of people dependent on welfare, which created a culture of single motherhood, which resulted into shitty gang culture. Look up black divorce / single mother rates before and after the 60s, it's insane.

This makes the 1952 revolution even worse to me. Why did that faggot Nasser have to remove such a based man only to run our country into the ground culturally and economically in the long run.

of course not, but it's not like we can state there is no way LBJ would say something like that. Whipping his dick out, intimidating manlets and pissing on the white house lawn were all things he supposedly did, fits cheeky asshole LBJ pretty well.

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Look at this dood

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What a lad

>black people were better off before the great society was enacted

Haven't read through the posts, but there was one king (or heir, can't recall) of Sweden who was heavily mentally ill.

I think hs name was Erik, a son of Gustav Vasa.

Yes, and? I doubt /pol/ would care about the well being of blacks, let alone blame their misfortunes on a white man.

Can't tell if you're actually stupid or not

Go away if you have nothing to contribute.

irony

>Juana of Castile, of course
That was actually just a made up reason of her son to lock her in and take her power. Try reading a book next time and/or stop posting bullshit here.