The USSR became the first state to have, as an ideological objective, the elimination of religion and its replacement with universal atheism. The communist regime confiscated religious property, ridiculed religion, harassed believers, and propagated atheism in schools.
From the late 1920s to the late 1930s, such organizations as the League of the Militant Godless ridiculed all religions and harassed believers. Anti-religious and atheistic propaganda was implemented into every portion of soviet life: in schools, communist organizations such as the Young Pioneer Organization, and the media. It propagated atheism and scientific achievements, conducted 'individual work' (a method of sending atheist tutors to meet with individual believers to convince them of atheism, which could be followed up with harassment if they failed to comply).
Within about a year of the revolution, the state expropriated all church property, including the churches themselves, and in the period from 1922 to 1926, 28 Russian Orthodox bishops and more than 1,200 priests were killed (a much greater number was subjected to persecution). Most seminaries were closed, and publication of religious writing was banned. The Russian Orthodox Church, which had 54,000 parishes before World War I, was reduced to 500 by 1940.
During the purges of 1937 and 1938, church documents record that 168,300 Russian Orthodox clergy were arrested. Of these, over 100,000 were shot. Many thousands of victims of persecution became recognized in a special canon of saints known as the "new martyrs and confessors of Russia".
The total number of Christian victims of Soviet state atheist policies, has been estimated to range between 12-20 million.
>mocking 20 million victims of atheistic satanic despotism
Jonathan White
Who are you quoting?
Caleb Hall
>State atheism >Not Soviet Atheism
Nice meme
James Sanders
Martyrs get the highest rewards in heaven, because they sticked with Christ until the very end.
John Long
In power, the Khmer Rouge carried out a radical program that included isolating the country from all foreign influences, closing schools, hospitals, and factories, abolishing banking, finance, and currency, outlawing all religions, confiscating all private property and relocating people from urban areas to collective farms where forced labour was widespread. The purpose of this policy was to turn Cambodians into "Old People" through agricultural labour.
All religion was banned by the Khmer Rouge. Any people seen taking part in religious rituals or services would be executed. Several thousand Buddhists, Muslims, and Christians were killed for exercising their beliefs.
Family relationships not sanctioned by the state were also banned, and family members could be put to death for communicating with each other. Married couples were only allowed to visit each other on a limited basis. If people were seen being engaged in sexual activity, they would be killed immediately.
Almost all freedom to travel was abolished. Almost all privacy was eliminated during the Khmer Rouge era. People were not allowed to eat in privacy; instead, they were required to eat with everyone in the commune.
All personal utensils were banned, and people were given only one spoon to eat with. In any case, family members were often relocated to different parts of the country with all postal and telephone services abolished.
Christians haven't been truly oppressed since before Constantine
Hunter Garcia
The Church in Germany had spoken against the rise of Nazism, but the Catholic aligned Centre Party capitulated in 1933 and was banned. Several key Nazis, including Adolf Hitler, had been raised Catholic, but became hostile to the Church in adulthood.
While Article 24 of the NSDAP party platform called for conditional toleration of Christian denominations and the 1933 Reichskonkordat treaty with the Vatican purported to guarantee religious freedom for Catholics, the Nazis were essentially hostile to Christianity and the Catholic Church faced persecution in Nazi Germany. Its press, schools and youth organisations were closed, much property confiscated and around one third of its clergy faced reprisals from authorities. Catholic lay leaders were targeted in the Night of the Long Knives purge. The Church hierarchy attempted to co-operate with the new government, but in 1937, the Papal Encyclical ‘’Mit brennender Sorge’’ accused the government of "fundamental hostility" to the church.
In every country under German occupation, priests played a major part in rescuing Jews. Through his links to the German Resistance, Pope Pius XII warned the Allies of the planned Nazi invasion of the Low Countries in 1940. From that year, the Nazis gathered priest-dissidents in a dedicated clergy barracks at Dachau, where (95%) of its 2,720 inmates were Catholic (mostly Poles, and 411 Germans) and 1034 priests died there. Expropriation of church properties surged from 1941.
Julian Clark
Yeah fucking right.
Luke Roberts
C.S. Lewis is a dipshit. People make fun of philosophically untrained atheists but good god, Lewis might actually be worse.
Ryder Bell
The Vatican, surrounded by Fascist Italy, was officially neutral during the war, but used diplomacy to aid victims and lobby for peace. Vatican Radio and other media spoke out against atrocities. While Nazi antisemitism embraced modern pseudo-scientific racial principles, ancient antipathies between Christianity and Judaism contributed to European antisemitism. During the Nazi era, the church rescued many thousands of Jews by issuing false documents, lobbying Axis officials, hiding them in monasteries, convents, schools and elsewhere; including in the Vatican and papal residence at Castel Gandolfo.
Pope Pius XII's first encyclical, Summi Pontificatus, called the invasion of Poland an "hour of darkness", his 1942 Christmas address denounced race murders and his Mystici corporis Christi encyclical (1943) denounced the murder of the handicapped.
The Reichskonkordat treaty of July 1933, signed between Germany and the Holy See, pledged to respect the autonomy of the Catholic Church, but required clerics to refrain from politics. Hitler welcomed the treaty, though he routinely violated it in the Nazi struggle with the churches.
Hitler's ideologues Goebbels, Himmler, Rosenberg and Bormann hoped to de-Christianize Germany, or at least distort its theology to their point of view. The government moved to close all Catholic institutions which were not strictly religious. Catholic schools were shut by 1939, the Catholic press by 1941. Clergy, women and men religious, and lay leaders were targeted. During the course of Hitler's rule, thousands were arrested, often on trumped up charges of currency smuggling or "immorality".
Eastern Orthodoxy has been pretty consistently oppressed throughout history.
Luis Sullivan
And yet >hur dur Nazi pope!
Gabriel Young
You do know there's a trend here other than atheism right?
>inb4 Communist china
Elijah Turner
What are you trying to get at? Is there a point somewhere in there, a question? Ebil Gommies? Suppressed Christians? Atheism? Which is it?
Parker Rogers
Germany's senior cleric, Cardinal Bertram, developed an ineffectual protest system, leaving broader Catholic resistance to individual conscience. By 1937 the church hierarchy, which initially sought dètente, was highly disillusioned. Pius XI issued the Mit brennender Sorge encyclical. It condemned racism, accused the Nazis of violations of the Concordat and "fundamental hostility" to the church. The state responded by renewing its crackdown and propaganda against Catholics.
Despite violence against Catholic Poland, some German priests offered prayers for the German cause at the outbreak of war. Nevertheless, security chief Reinhard Heydrich soon orchestrated an intensification of restrictions on church activities. Expropriation of monasteries, convents and church properties surged from 1941. Bishop August von Galen's ensuing 1941 denunciation of Nazi euthanasia and defence of human rights roused rare popular dissent. The German bishops denounced Nazi policy towards the church in pastoral letters, calling it "unjust oppression".
In regions of Poland, Slovenia and Austria annexed by Nazi Germany, Nazi persecution of the Church was at its harshest. Nazi ideology could not accept an autonomous establishment whose legitimacy did not spring from the government. It desired the subordination of the church to the state. While the Article 24 of the NSDAP party platform called for conditional toleration of Christian denominations and a Reichskonkordat (Reich Concordat) treaty with the Vatican was signed in 1933, purporting to guarantee religious freedom for Catholics, Hitler believed religion was fundamentally incompatible with National Socialism."
Isaac King
>mocking the statement of the fact that communism is evil Get fucked Red.
Matthew Hernandez
Many Nazis suspected Catholics of insufficient patriotism, or even of disloyalty to the Fatherland, and of serving the interests of "sinister alien forces". Shirer wrote that "under the leadership of Rosenberg, Bormann and Himmler—backed by Hitler—the Nazi regime intended to destroy Christianity in Germany, if it could, and substitute the old paganism of the early tribal Germanic gods and the new paganism of the Nazi extremists.'' Anti-church and anti-clerical sentiments were strong among grassroots party activists.
Joseph Goebbels, the Minister of Propaganda, was among the most aggressive anti-Church radicals and saw the conflict with the churches as a priority concern. Born to a Catholic family, he became one of the government's most relentless Jew-baiters. On the "Church Question", he wrote "after the war it has to be generally solved .... There is, namely, an insoluble opposition between the Christian and a heroic-German world view". He led the persecution of Catholic clergy.
Heinrich Himmler and Reinhard Heydrich headed the Nazi security forces and were key architects of the Final Solution. Both believed Christian values were among the enemies of Nazism: the enemies were "eternally the same", wrote Heydrich: "the Jew, the Freemason, and the politically-oriented cleric." Modes of thinking like Christian and liberal individualism he considered residue of inherited racial characteristics, biologically sourced to Jewry—who must therefore be exterminated. According to Himmler biographer Peter Longerich, Himmler was vehemently opposed to Christian sexual morality and the "principle of Christian mercy", both of which he saw as a dangerous obstacle to his plans battle with "subhumans".
Colton Fisher
Himmler saw the main task of his Schutzstaffel (SS) organisation to be that of "acting as the vanguard in overcoming Christianity and restoring a 'Germanic' way of living" in order to prepare for the coming conflict between "humans and subhumans": Longerich wrote that, while the Nazi movement as a whole launched itself against Jews and Communists, "by linking de-Christianisation with re-Germanization, Himmler had provided the SS with a goal and purpose all of its own." He set about making his SS the focus of a "cult of the Teutons".
Hitler's chosen deputy and private secretary from 1941, Martin Bormann, was a militant anti-Church radical. He had a particular loathing for the Semitic origins of Christianity. He was one of the leading proponents of the ongoing persecution of the Christian churches. When the Bishop of Munster lead public protest against Nazi euthanasia, called for him to be hanged. Strongly anti-Christian, he stated publicly in 1941 that "National Socialism and Christianity are irreconcilable."
William Bailey
In January 1934, Hitler appointed Alfred Rosenberg the cultural and educational leader of the Reich. Rosenberg was a neo-pagan and notoriously anti-Catholic. In "Myth of the Twentieth Century" (1930), Rosenberg described the Catholic Church as one of the main enemies of Nazism. Rosenberg proposed to replace traditional Christianity with the neo-pagan "myth of the blood": He wrote: "We now realize that the central supreme values of the Roman and the Protestant Churches hinder the organic powers of the peoples determined by their Nordic race, they will have to be remodeled " in The Myth of the 20th Century in 1930.
Church officials were perturbed by Hitler's appointment of Rosenberg as the state's official philosopher. The indication being, Hitler was endorsing his anti-Jewish, anti-Christian, and neo-pagan philosophy. The Vatican directed the Holy Office to place Rosenberg's Myth of the Twentieth Century on the Index of Forbidden books on February 7, 1934. Following the failure of the pro-Nazi Ludwig Muller to unite Protestants behind the Nazi Party in 1933, Hitler appointed his friend Hans Kerrl Minister for Church Affairs in 1935. A relative moderate among Nazis, Kerrl confirmed Nazi hostility to the Catholic and Protestant creeds in a 1937 address during an intense phase of the Nazi Kirchenkampf:
The Party stands on the basis of Positive Christianity, and positive Christianity is National Socialism... National Socialism is the doing of God's will... God's will reveals itself in German blood;... Dr Zoellner and Count Galen have tried to make clear to me that Christianity consists in faith in Christ as the son of God. That makes me laugh... No, Christianity is not dependent upon the Apostle's Creed... True Christianity is represented by the party, and the German people are now called by the party and especially the Fuehrer to a real Christianity... the Fuehrer is the herald of a new revelation".
- Hans Kerrl, Nazi Minister for Church Affairs, 1937
Juan Brown
A threatening, initially sporadic, persecution of the Catholic Church in Germany followed the Nazi takeover. The Nazis claimed jurisdiction over all collective and social activity, interfering with Catholic schooling, youth groups, workers' clubs and cultural societies. "By the latter part of the decade of the Thirties", wrote Phayer, "church officials were well aware that the ultimate aim of Hitler and other Nazis was the total elimination of Catholicism and of the Christian religion. Since the vast majority of Germans were either Catholic or Protestant this goal was a long-term rather than short-term Nazi objective". Hitler moved quickly to eliminate Political Catholicism.
The Nazis arrested thousands of members of the German Centre Party. The Catholic Bavarian People's Party government had been overthrown in Bavaria by a Nazi coup on 9 March 1933. Two thousand functionaries of the Party were rounded up by police in late June. The national Centre Party, dissolved themselves in early July. The dissolution of the Centre Party left modern Germany without a Catholic Party for the first time and the Reich Concordat prohibited clergy from participating in politics. Kershaw wrote that the Vatican was anxious to reach agreement with the new government, despite "continuing molestation of Catholic clergy, and other outrages committed by Nazi radicals against the Church and its organisations".
Hitler had a "blatant disregard" for the Concordat, wrote Paul O'Shea, and its signing was to him merely a first step in the "gradual suppression of the Catholic Church in Germany".
Christian Thomas
Anton Gill wrote that "with his usual irresistible, bullying technique, Hitler proceeded to "take a mile where he had been given an inch" and closed all Catholic institutions whose functions weren't strictly religious:
Adalbert Probst, the national director of the Catholic Youth Sports Association, was murdered in the Night of the Long Knives purge. The Nazis interfered with Catholic schooling, youth groups, workers' clubs and cultural societies. It quickly became clear that [Hitler] intended to imprison the Catholics, as it were, in their own churches. They could celebrate mass and retain their rituals as much as they liked, but they could have nothing at all to do with German society otherwise. Catholic schools and newspapers were closed, and a propaganda campaign against the Catholics was launched.
-Extract from An Honourable Defeat by Anton Gill
Almost immediately after signing the Concordat, the Nazis promulgated the sterilization law - the Law for the Prevention of Hereditarily Diseased Offspring - an offensive policy in the eyes of the Catholic Church. Days later, moves began to dissolve the Catholic Youth League. Political Catholicism was also among the targets of Hitler's 1934 Long Knives purge: the head of Catholic Action, Erich Klausener, Papen's speech writer and advisor Edgar Jung (also a Catholic Action worker); and the national director of the Catholic Youth Sports Association, Adalbert Probst. Former Centre Party Chancellor, Heinrich Brüning narrowly escaped execution.
Jace Nguyen
>Persecuted by Muslims Check >Persecuted by Papacy Check >Persecuted by Communists Check
Ethan Thomas
William Shirer wrote that the German people were not greatly aroused by the persecution of the churches by the Nazi Government. The majority were not moved to face death or imprisonment for the sake of freedom of worship, being too impressed by Hitler's early foreign policy successes and the restoration of the German economy. Few, he said, paused to reflect that the Nazis intended to destroy Christianity in Germany, and substitute old paganism of tribal Germanic gods and the new paganism of the Nazi extremists." Anti-Nazi sentiment grew in Catholic circles as the Nazi government increased its repressive measures against their activities.
Clergy as well as members of male and female religious orders and lay leaders began to be targeted, leading to thousands of arrests over the ensuing years, often on trumped up charges of currency smuggling or "immorality". Priests were watched closely and frequently denounced, arrested and sent to concentration camps. From 1940, a dedicated Clergy Barracks had been established at Dachau concentration camp. Intimidation of clergy was widespread and Cardinal Faulhaber was shot at. Cardinal Innitzer had his Vienna residence ransacked in October 1938 and Bishop Sproll of Rottenburg was jostled and his home vandalised. In 1937, the New York Times reported that Christmas would see "several thousand Catholic clergymen in prison." Propaganda satirized the clergy, including Anderl Kern's play The Last Peasant.
Ayden Hall
I could go on and on.
Rejecting the Lord leads to satanic atheistic despotism.
Wyatt Phillips
And yet the United States is secular as are most modern nations and they're doing just fine.
>full of SJW liberal marxists >intellectually dead zombies on iPhones >dumbest generation ever >niggers chimping out >politics have become a joke
It's nothing like 80's or 90's USA. Heck even 10 years ago it was alot different and better.
Jeremiah Gonzalez
btfo
Bentley Nguyen
Wew lad
>80's and 90's saw the rise of the self esteem movement and american exceptionalism >niggers chimping out >the war on drugs >politics were a joke >Absolutely nothing of intellectual worth came out
This thread is cancer. You are cancer. You took the time to create a tumor this big. You, user, are an affront to God and all of His creations.
Gavin Walker
t. buttmad atheist
Gavin Martin
What is this webm of?
Angel King
>USA >Not leading to despotism Enjoy getting drone striked.
Andrew Davis
As an atheist, I call bullshit.
In the west, if anybody shits on Jews, Muslims, or any other religious bullshit, the leftist governments, and their media, will attack them as being a "racist".
Meanwhile, people can freely shit all over Christians.
Xavier Price
The only thing commies got right desu senpai.
Anthony Harris
>state atheism >state antitheism *
There, fixed it for you OP ;^)
Bentley Hill
I used to be a skinhead. Discovering all this anti-Christian and neopagan stuff the NSDAP was into turned me off National Socialism.
Kevin Davis
Personally I"m not convinced that the analysis of Nazi's christian policy isn't exaggerating hitlers political conflict with the Catholics.
I think he was pissed the pope attempted to control german education and other facets of life rather than allowing the state to do so but I don't know that I believe he was active against the spiritual idea of christianity rather than the political infrastructure.
Hitler's book makes it pretty clear he believes he is doing God's work and that Germany should always be Christian as it is the basis of german life.
Austin Hernandez
There were literally demonic forces behind this madness that occured in the 30s and 40s. It was even predicted at Fatima.
Gavin Russell
Well Communism is just the ultimate form of Christianity. All are equal before God, God is the state. Like all incarnations of Christianity it is intent on destroying all religious rivals
Jackson Myers
Are we really being so contrarian that people in oppressed countries aren't actually oppressed now? That's like saying nigger slaves weren't oppressed because Black Lives Matter fags aren't
Jacob Nguyen
Saying that Christians today are oppressed now because mean old Russia purged them in the past is Black Lives Matter logic.
OP is trying to somehow channel the victim-status of the past and transfer for it to himself which is why he deserves to get made fun of.
Jaxon White
It's not really State Atheism; it's Statism, which is making the State into God. Hence "Enemy of the State" carries a death penalty; it's basically blasphemy.
Charles Gomez
His thoughts on theology aside, C.S. Lewis often sounds a lot like a "think with your heart, man" knockabout mixed with xenophobia, neo-monarchism, and a weird hatred of educational reform
Jordan Moore
weak bait
Grayson Powell
>channel the victim-status of the past and transfer for it to himself No. My point is simply that
James Young
Are you retarded? That's not oppression.
Jordan Ross
A guy wearing a Bad Religion t-shirt or making fun of televangelists isn't oppressing Christians.
afaik Christians are not being segregated, are not being put in camps, are not being executed on masse in any country of continental North or South America or in Europe, so idk what your problem is.
However, and this applies to both of you because you should know this: minority Christian groups are in fact being persecuted in some war-torn parts of Africa and the Middle East. Your lack of perspective is apparent.
Eli Gray
He came up with a line you will never match:
"He is not a tame lion, you know."
Christopher Smith
Pope hated Jews and encouraged Hitler to kill all of them.
Equivalent to complaining about white people. Nobody but socially isolated kiddies on the internet takes stuff like that seriously because they comprehend actual history. You know, the loaded significance of attacking historically oppressed minorities. Which, in most of the west at least, Christians are not.
Connor Watson
So what's the point you're trying to get across? That's totalitarian states are horribly oppressive? I'm pretty sure that was no mystery to anyone.
Levi Kelly
It's not bait. It's the truth. Pope was a virulent anti-semite, and encouraged catholic Hitler to kill all the "christkillers" and communists that he could. Hence the Concordat with Hitler's Nazi Party in '33.
Isaac Taylor
>people can freely shit all over Christians becuase the west is a christian society, its culture is christian and its leaders are christian...mocking Christianity in the west amounts to spitballs aimed at those in power
and spitballs dont hurt any one
Ryan Campbell
Good posting
Aiden Turner
jews and muslims are minorities in western socioty, asaults on them are very different from people making fun of christianity
western leaders are by in large christian, churches are everywhere, christianity is symbolicaly enshrined in political symbolism and mythology
whereas muslims and jews have histories of discrimination streaching into the present
also most of those who ock christianity were formerly christian and their culturaly still kinda christian, if they atach christianity thats them criticizing their own group, if they atck jews and muslims thats atacking a minority
Angel Gray
It's like you didn't read the thread.
Kayden Morris
See
Lincoln Ward
Do Christians have a persecution complex?
Cooper Rivera
Tell that to the Christians living in the Middle East.
Jose Garcia
Muslims and jews go through the same thing. And that's thanks to the ridiculousness of Sunnis
Daniel Rogers
You did notice that post specified the west, correct?
Ryan Richardson
>religion is centered around God in human form and his followers being persecuted
Colton Sanders
Let me put it this way. They believe their own God was persecuted by the Jews which they consider to be the most important event in the history of the world. Their God went around telling everyone that "the weak shall inherit the earth" and "blessed are the oppressed". The highest position in the religion is to be one of the matyrs that were eaten by lions. Middle ages monks would go around flogging themself to show their devotion to their oppression God.
Christianity is a religion about being persecuted, ideally by the Jews.
Jaxson Price
>Sunnis You do know that saying ''Sunnis'' is like saying ''muslims'', right? They're the majority of muslims, Shias are the minority.
Juan Davis
Does the word "complex" denote "fantasy"? Then no. Millions of Christians are murdered every year.
Carson Gutierrez
Uh, no. Saying Sunnis means Sunnis. And its an important clarification to make especially when discussing persecution and oppression considering what Shias go through in Sunni territory.
Jaxon Green
Correct. The jews killed Him and guess what happened? As He prophesized, Jerusalem 70AD happened.
Less than a century after the jews killed Him, Jerusalem, the Great Whore of Babylon, was completely annihilated by the Beast it was riding on, Rome.
The Second Temple was blown the fuck out.
Over 1,1 million jews were massacred (including many foreigners due to Passover) and nearly 100,000 were ensalved.
This is what happens when you kill the Father's Son. You experience His Wrath.
Elijah Torres
>these other people are oppressed >which means THESE people aren't because I can get away with making fun of them :^)
Adrian Williams
Sunnis are still the overwhelming majority of muslims, so them persecuting Christians isn't ''the ridiculousness of Sunnis'', it's simply the evil of satanic muslims.
Thomas Young
This place really is a /pol/ and /int/ love child.
Nolan Sullivan
while christian minorities in some parts of the world may experience persecution the few million you talk about acount for a distinct minority of the worlds christian population....well under 5 %
meanwhile Christianity dominates Europe, the Americas, Australia, many African nations and the vast majority of christians do not suffer any form of discrimination for being christians(maybe being the wrong kind of christian, but thats secterian squableing and hardly an opression of christianity)
Joseph Bennett
Christianity is not a religion about being persecuted.
It's a transformation from death into life. Because you are dead, you don't understand the things of God; you have to be alive in order to do so.
And because you are physically alive, you do not know that you are dead.
Ryder Hughes
If you dig into history, you will find that from its inception, Christians have been murdered more than any other group on earth.
the god of this world is satan, and he hates us.
Justin Reyes
OP here, I abhor both /pol/ and /int/. Any questions?
Carson Long
How many 9 inch cocks have you taken today?
Jeremiah Sullivan
...
Chase Gomez
>if today Christians aren't in concentration camps you have no right to call it persecution and complain about the fact that wew
Michael Bailey
Christians are being oppressed in the Middle East right now.
Logan Torres
He'sRightYouKnow.jpg
Aaron Rodriguez
/pol/cuck obsessed with cocks detected
Xavier Miller
funny becuase christianity was also responsible for much death in the world...many were converted at the threat of their lives, many burned for beliving incorectly, the populations of entire continents deemed subhuman and worthy of death and slavery becuase they were not christian and resisted conversion
Aaron Garcia
less then 5 % of the global christian population
Benjamin Clark
So?
Charles Thompson
most Christians are not persecuted, the vast majority are not
Mason Ross
That doesn't override the fact that many Christians are in fact persecuted. Just like saying "blacks are getting shot by cops" it doesn't mean that literally ALL blacks are getting gunned down.
Caleb Cook
also, the saftey of christian populations in the middle east have been largeley threatened as a result of wars waged and sponsored by the christian west......christian minorities in syria and iraq were well established and relativley safe minorities under assad and sadam
Jayden Miller
>populations of entire continents deemed subhuman and worthy of death and slavery becuase they were not christian By which authority?
Henry Green
something something turn the other cheek honestly, that simply shows how progressive the West is compared to islamic shitholes and 20 year old special snowflakes with holocaust flashbacks
Zachary Allen
>I'm biblically illiterate
Cameron Ross
>populations of entire continents deemed subhuman and worthy of death and slavery becuase they were not christian ?
Joshua Miller
b-but Islam is a religion of peace muh crusades and shit
