The word about Marx’ drinking skills first got around in his days as a student...

>nobody was in doubt as to the leftist origins of the national socialist system.
"origins" i see you've been reading hayek, who's interpretation of the history is absolute baloney. natsoc is not left-leaning, it says nothing about democratization of production. it's about revolutionizing society forward to take advantage of technological advances while preserving old class structures. in regards to social hierarchy, the only relevant factor, it's as right as one can go.

>some socially conservative streaks.
"some" nice joke.

I have seen this image before and although its message is confused and amenable to a few different angles, the intent seems pretty clearly to point out first of all that Engels wins because Engels purportedly cucked the other guy. If I'm reading it right, then we are supposed to conclude on some level that the commies, or at least their original theorist, win over the other guy.

Of course, this is hypocritical on multiple levels if you consider the Marxian view (to which Engels ultimately beta-subsumed himself), and its historical sequels. The Marxist project was one with an object of human emancipation which has been its subsequent tradition, and intellectually honest leftists cannot help but register the hypocrisy of supporting emancipation as they cuck (oppress) another man, /even as they may enjoy the latter action/, although it is more a theoretical exercise since liberal men are more effiminate.

The intellectual honesty of the left (this exists in internal pockets though they also routinely deal with dishonesty), though they may not like to repeat it out loud, also obliges them to recognize that Hess' more historically accurate primacy of race (if we take this jpg at face value, at least) is a vindication of the same humiliation that the jpg purports. In other words, Hess wins the battle of ideas, since the truth would out again after the 150 years' communist aberration. What is really going on when you cuck someone? At bottom, you seek to fill the world with more of yourself, at the expense of the one who is not you.

Because Veeky Forums memes, cucking trumps all else. And yet the rest of this image contains its own defeat from behind, and in exactly the same dreary terms that a good Marxist would normally characterize it. On the other hand, even "Moses" here appears to have been a kike, so suddenly one doesn't feel nearly as bad about him having been cucked. They all deserve each other.

>If I'm reading it right, then we are supposed to conclude on some level that the commies, or at least their original theorist, win over the other guy.
Not in any absolute sense, you autist, it's just making fun of right-wingers obsession with calling people on the left "cucks".

I agree with you, but I don't think many commies would.

>its another episode of an ameritard poltard trying to be funny

then they're wrong.

right wingers call left wingers cucks based on the identity politics shit that doesn't have much of anything to do with class shit

I doubt marx and engels thought very highly of black people.

No ideology created and formulated after 1800 should be taken seriously.

>I doubt marx and engels thought very highly of black people.
who knows? racism was pretty common in the 19th century and it wasn't as obvious how false it is.

Class politics IS identity politics, the 20th century cucklords just broadened the spectrum of supposedly "alienated and oppressed" groups.

also, "the race struggle is the primal one, and the class struggle secondary" is a principle of modern identity politics.

so it's fitting that the guy who expressed that is a cuck.

>i live in a word where everyone who opposes me is a caricature that i have created
Cool.

This. The new left has nothing to do with the "old" left that people like Marx championed. You really think they care about workers for example?

>dropping to their level as a joke makes me better than them
leftists are literally all about "its ok when i do it" aren't they

You have yet to define what your definition of left-wing is but I have a strong suspicion it's a blanket term for anything you dislike.

I can't wait to finish college and escape from social activists who worship Marx

>Cool.
reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/4ge3os/conservatives_united_for_cruz_and_kasich/

Go look at any post in /r/the_donald you idiot, they literally post "cucks stumped" flair and shit and constantly post about how bernie supporters are cucks. they have an insane obsession with it.

>He thinks Reddit is real life or in any way reflects the opinions of all Trump supporters or conservatives

Indians are not blacks, but Marx wrote some articles about India and british colonial politics. As far as I remember, he views the conflicts between the brits and indians as a duel between two piles of shit.

>"origins" i see you've been reading hayek

never read him

>natsoc is not left-leaning, it says nothing about democratization of production.

it doesn't necessarily have to. You seem to be trying to force "leftism" to be synonymous with communism.

Nationalism is itself left-wing in that the central idea is that nationality transcends social class and although the Nazis courted certain elements of the old German aristocracy, they eventually bumped them off or attempted to neuter them politically. National Socialists prided themselves on being a more "moderate" form of socialism, a proper middle ground, that avoided the extremities of the Bolshevik socialist project. If you watch Fritz Lang's metropolis, Lang originally wanted to make the movie more about a worker's revolution against plutocracy, but his wife was close to the Nazis, so he changed it to be about the proletariat and bourgeois joining hands. In national socialism, the country itself is in essence the collective property of a particular race and at its most extreme, the individual ego, following the philosophy of romantic idealist Johann Gottlieb Fichte, is but an extension of the ego of the Volk and is to be identified with it. The only difference between communism and national socialism in this respect, is that communism takes the same principle and tries to apply it to the whole human race. Hitler and many other Nazis also emphasized their commitment to socialism and the cause of the German proletariat. Also the massive state control over industry and entertainment, censoring entertainment so it's politically correct by the standards of the revolutionary party in power, has it parallels with communist nations as well.

If you're going to argue that they were insincere in their socialism because in practice it didn't turn out so good, the same could be said for all major socialist undertakings

>If you're going to argue that they were insincere in their socialism because in practice it didn't turn out so good, the same could be said for all major socialist undertakings
ub.edu/graap/nazi.pdf

if you're going to call massive social programs socialist, then you're saying fdr and the new deal was socialist. the nazi government took collective ownership at first but reprivatized most of the industry. there was very little real collectivization.

also read up on hitler's views regarding socialism. he opposed anything and everything related to marx and ricardo, nazi book burning applied to marx's works as well

Please give me statistical proof that, as you stated, every right winger uses that specific sub-reddit.

>>He thinks Reddit is real life or in any way reflects the opinions of all Trump supporters or conservatives
muh no true conservatives

The maximum of modern leftists is the support of the unions.

>then you're saying fdr and the new deal was socialist
This is a very common claim that you can't just dismiss by saying it isn't true.
>read up on hitler's views regarding socialism
He put the word in the name of the National Socialist German Workers Party.

Of the Left were pro-labor it wouldn't be driving wages down by demanding open borders and citizenship for refugees

>Please give me statistical proof that, as you stated, every right winger uses that specific sub-reddit.
what the fuck are you even asking? that actually would be statistical """""proof""""" if you understood the study at all. it represents a very large subset of internet conservatives, it's literally THE LARGEST conservative subreddit.

are you really just going to pretend this is utterly meaningless? handwave away something in your face and very obvious?

>This is a very common claim that you can't just dismiss by saying it isn't true.
So the united states was a socialist nation in the 1930s. this is your claim? if so, then literally 99% of 20th century governments are "leftist", and your definition is pretty much worthless.

this post is what happens when memes get too real for people

>sociology is all just memes lets handwave it

>sociology is all just memes
that's true

It's not utterly meaningless, but it's not a proper sample of conservatives in general.
Not my claim. FDR was open to socialist ideas for the purpose of countering Soviet appeals to American radical labor. It wasn't Communism, but he was the most socialist president.

You state that right wingers have an obsession with calling people cucks, creating a caricature that fits the situation.

I point out that not all right wingers are like that, and that is just a fabrication of your own.

You post reddit as proof.

I want proof that every right winger uses that subreddit.

>it represents a very large subset of internet conservatives

Doesn't match up to your original statement.

>conservative

So now it's conservatives.

Just admit that you threw a massive strawman and have no actual data to back it up.

>the cuck meme means EVERYTHING and you can't tell me otherwise!

We really should
Sociology is a political program, not a science

Why do you think /pol/ complains about cucks all the time and the left doesn't?

One has a cuck problem and the other doesn't.

>if you're going to call massive social programs socialist, then you're saying fdr and the new deal was socialist.

I'm not going to go so far as to say FDR ideologically was a socialist, but I have no doubt the growth and influence of socialism had an impact on the development of the new deal and some of its more positive reception. I would say the new deal is a kind of socialist element and was probably also to some extent meant to placate socialist elements in the United States, but bear in mind I say that not to praise or condemn it.

>the nazi government took collective ownership at first but reprivatized most of the industry.

non-Marxist socialism isn't against private industry in principle to begin with and the National Socialists while styling themselves as proud socialists against the evils of capitalism, were not against privatization as long as it was within the lines created by the socialist state, this could mean anything from a lot of private industry operating within the limited framework of the socialist state or an extremely limited amount of private enterprise depending on what the socialist state, which is a representative government of "the people," in this case those masses of people who meet the criteria the socialist state has set for who is considered a legitimate part of the Volk, has decided.

>also read up on hitler's views regarding socialism.

You mean when he says "I'm a socialist?"

>he opposed anything and everything related to marx and ricardo, nazi book burning applied to marx's works as well

You do realize a whole lot of socialists didn't like Marx, right? Socialism existed before Marx and a lot of more moderate socialist didn't like his ideas especially for their materialism and disregard for nationality and/or individuality. I don't how this follows that national socialism or any other non-Marxist socialism isn't somehow part of the left-end of the political spectrum.

>You mean when he says "I'm a socialist?"

Where to begin. "Socialism" had a much different meaning then how you use it.

>You state that right wingers have an obsession with calling people cucks, creating a caricature that fits the situation.
Only one of the largest gathering places on one of the largest websites has "cuck" plastered everywhere. That quite obviously means something. That's not a "charicature", it's fucking empirical. Of course not every single right winger ever is obsessed but that's a non-point, no group is ever so homogenous. You're just being a pedantic faggot who doesn't want to accept the obvious. "Well actually, faggots are gay, and I'm not gay."

"Not a proper sample"

I agree, but it's not at all an insignificant force.

I'm a white nationalist and I've only ever fucked leftist/apolitical women.

Marx was unarguably a racist himself

Heterosexuality is a mental illness

Yup he actually rants about the Jewish banking conspiracy despite being Jewish (?) hitler still accused him of being a part of the Jewish banking conspiracy

History is really confusing

Hess was a Jewish leftwing Zionist

Why are you all so dumb?

"I hate Marx"=/="I'm not a socialist"

You can be a socialist and think Marx is a faggot.

The Nazis considered themselves socialists, they read socialist literature and they strove to implement a particular interpretation of the socialist program (see the 25 Point Program) that respected the conservative moral sentiments of the average German, while also having a firm belief in a progressive history wedded to scientific racism. If they can't properly be called leftists in any way, then nobody really can, unless you arbitrarily restrict "leftism" to mean only Marxism.

You are arguing with a Marxtard. Marxtards believe that you can call yourself a socialist only if you follow Marx.

Socialist=/=leftist

Sociology suffers from reproducability issues so severe you cannot even call its models scientific.

so all of them

lol
if you want to talk about significant digital conservative movements you should be whining about /pol/, but you can't because /pol/ is more intellectually sophisticated than /leftypol/

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>>Hitler created a public image as a celibate man without a domestic life
Hilter was probably impotent. He didn't have any friends either. I guess he was a virgin.

Marx and Engels seem like a blast.

>obvious how false it is

hehehehehehehehehehehehehehe

Do you have an argument?
>He didn't have any friends either
What about all those German people?

youtube.com/watch?v=f4mb6gzu60U

This should clear it all up.

>everything I don't agree with is /pol/
Spotted the leftypol rat

Monarchism negro

What the fugg is wrong with you people. This stupid national socialism was leftist meme has to end. Just because you americans define the political spectrum different than the rest of the world does gives you no right to spew such bullshit.

There was a leftwing of the NSDAP goebbels originally belonged to led by the hess brothers. These were national bolshevists who strongly opposed the capitalist economic order and were quite fond of collective ownership. These tendencies were quickly outruled and purged by hitler who absolutuly opposed them. The socialism in the NS ideology is little more than show it was seen as an appeal to the working classes but in reality the NSDAP was mostly elected by middle class and state servants. Lower class voters had shome share in the NSDAPs success as protest voters. Akin to this the NSDAP economic policies weren´t socialist at all. Just because they practiced very strong public spending they weren´t socialist. They slashed the rights of the unions and forced them to fusion to one big union with the sole purpose of eliminating organized labor. Nazis had a diabolic way of using language don´t fall for it.

There is a quote that says all the socialists have left the nsdap after the national bolshevist wing was purged. The nazis simply mirrored some methods of the socialists but with other intent and outcome.

Lel you sound absolutely butt blasted. Nazism is leftist get over it

It's not. And you won't find a single decent historian (i.e.someone that appeared in a peer reviewed journal) agreeing with you.
Here is Heinrich August WInkler. Probably the most important German historian alive saying that the NSDAP was the most right-wing party ever: spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/steinbach-eklat-auf-twitter-die-nazis-waren-eine-linke-partei-a-812950.html

Now shut up please.

How biased. A German trying to distance themselves from their past and their current government

This is not at all what he is trying to do or what his worldview in general is.
>implying you even understand German
>implying you have ever read any academic work on German history
>implying you even tried to google the people mentioned in the article including Herfried Münkler who is considered pretty much right wing, who hang with Carl Schmitt and who agrees with Winkler
Come on. Show me someone who was employed by a history department saying the Nazis were left.
>b-but shlomo boogeymensch is controlling all universities world wide

Lel you aren't even trying anymore. You posted the most biased article out there on Nazism and then try and say that it isn't

This place becomes shittier each time I come back

>Moses Hess
So nazism is a jewish invention too?

Someone offers up an argument that is rooted in reality. Reply:
>hehehe you sound buttblasted
Alrighty then i guess you have no arguments too support your outlandish claim.
No indicator (that makes sense) is viable to show that nazis are leftist in any way or shape.

This meme thing were much government intervention is leftist is simple bullshit and is in no way usable if you look at world history. Early conservatist parties had state capitalist leanings. Try to use a language that is usable to talk about WORLDhistory. Your american meme politics isn´t appliable to the rest of the world.

Versuchs erst gar nicht. Ist eigentlich verschwendete Zeit mit denen zu Reden.

>ignoring one of the most important historians alive cause /pol/ told nazis are left
The man his is rich as fuck and already receives a pension. He literally doesn't have to pander to anyone. Also the "government" isn't even mentioned in the article. What you display is a pathetic attempt of /pol/-shitposting without ANY back up to ANY of your claims let alone any academic verifying the utterly stupid statement the nazis were left.
I could also cite various works from right and left-wing authors but what good is it if you ignore even and online article in the most basic German.

You are still welcome to post one of your mega unbiased sources. Y'know like those makros your found on stormfront, the ones your entire historical education is based upojn.

Well it's around 1/3 poltards here. Usually they get BTFOd and stop coming back in threads where someone makes a stand.

Your replying to your self and ignoring obvious bias

No he isn´t. Also why don´t you show a serious source claiming the nazis were leftist and explain in your own words which political indicators led you to believe this.

>apolitical

>"muh jews"

What does labor zionism have to do with the right wing?

Jewish supremacism is left wing because jews are a margarinized group.

people obsessed with race = cuckolds

>The socialism in the NS ideology is little more than show it was seen as an appeal to the working classes but in reality the NSDAP was mostly elected by middle class and state servants.

Marx wasn't exactly proletarian either, so I don't know what this is supposed to prove. Most socialist and communist parties tend to be led by people who are from the middle and upper classes. Heck, Kropotkin came from Russian aristocracy.

>Akin to this the NSDAP economic policies weren´t socialist at all. Just because they practiced very strong public spending they weren´t socialist.

Yeah, actually, it kinda does.

Right end of the spectrum: Privatization, Laizzes-faire economics, monarchism (read as privatized government), aristocracy (classism), traditional conservatism, relative decentralization, public spending to its minimum or non-existent in favor of private charity and industry.

Left-end of the spectrum: collectivism, public ownership, lots of public spending in the interest of public welfare, weakening of class distinctions in favor of easier mass organization, competitive business non-existent or couched within the boundaries set by the state

All forms of socialism are leftist, practically by definition. Just because the Nazis weren't always the biggest leftists on the block doesn't mean they suddenly aren't socialists unless you just want to limit socialism to your ideal, perfect socialism that probably has never been tried or fully implemented. I suppose you could argue that the Nazis prove that the left/right paradigm just doesn't work, but if the Nazis being a little hypocritical suddenly means they aren't socialist because it might not have been what the original socialist ideologues had in mind, then that could apply to almost every socialist country that. And before you think this is just me being a cheeky righty, I would agree with Chomsky as well when he says "there's never been a free market" in his criticism of free market libertarians.

>apolitical

You are more right than you know. In particular, back then it was less obvious.

Now, with the benefit of science, mass dissemation of information via the internet, and increased species-experience, we have better knowledge than before of the variability of humans on whatever metric you might care to entertain.

Now, it is even more obvious than then that an accurate asseement of the world entails a racist outlook, once we empty that word of its "mean" content and repair to its dictionary definition: some people in some ethnic groups are just plain better at xyz than people in other ethnic groups.

So, I am happy that you agree with me.

>Now, it is even more obvious than then that an accurate asseement of the world entails a racist outlook, once we empty that word of its "mean" content and repair to its dictionary definition: some people in some ethnic groups are just plain better at xyz than people in other ethnic groups.

Being apolitical isn't anywhere near as autistic as being political tho

does that include people obsessed with other people obsessed with race, but don't particularly care about race themselves

National socialism didn't even exist yet.

Get your goober out of your ears.

>what /pol/ will never realize is, the same values that /pol/tards emphasize as "good" are exactly what makes them unattractive.

/pol/ worships a political order which gots its start beating the dogshit out of and knifing people in the streets, it's ironic really. It not the ideas, but their own ineffectuality. They're so weak of mind they let their mindset and mental peace be constantly compromised by circumstances they will not act to change.

you're attacking a strawman

It's an excuse to hear myself type.

fair enough

I think the pic was supposed to be a win for communism, but I sympathize with the Hess guy and he seems overall better presented

*one has a problem with cuckoldry and th other doesn't

big difference

>Moses (Moshe) Hess (January or June 21, 1812 ￢ﾀﾓ April 6, 1875) was a German-French-Jewish philosopher and socialist, and one of the founders of Labor Zionism.

>Marx
>anything other than a filthy parasite who bankrupted everyone around him

The absolute nadir of German philosophy

Exactly, right wingers are constantly being cuckolded.