There are AMERICANS who don't like FDR

>tried to stuff Supreme Court with his cronies so some of the less constitutional new deal policies were passed
>interned Japs in camps
>he wuz a good boy

I love the guy. One reason was because he was instrumental into driving Adolph Hitler to blow his own brains out.

now that's funny

>C'mon aunt Diane!

>I hate social security and minimum wage
>BUT DON'T LUMP ME IN WITH /POL/!!!!!!!
Kekkles. Lolbertarians are the most hilarious posters on Veeky Forums

Don't do it, Jimmy!

Is that really Mosley with FDR?
Makes them both more based.

That being said, FDR basically instituted very limited limited socialism (or pseudosocialism if you're really nitpicky and retarded) to combat the radical left. There are good reasons to despise him if you aren't an American liberal.
But I am an American liberal :D

Without him the crisis would end 2 days after it started but because of him it lasted till 1990.

t. Von Mises

>muh /pol/
>implying social security and minimum wage are absolutely necessary
>You're a Nazi racist bigot /pol/ tard if you disagree with me
Just as I predicted

he should have locked up the germans too desu

>trust me bros, this shit will sort itself out, the market is a mystical and divine being xD

Wew great job addressing his points lad

Court Packing, now that's some high-level Constitutional double think.

Not even close to an argument

strawman

>he wasn't perfect and most everyone agrees this was a shitty thing of him to attempt
Complete shit president, accomplished nothing, should've been assassinated.

>imblyign the sudden need for arms and ammunition wasn't a great opportunity for US industry

>I fetishize president legless and get angry when people who aren't socialist weeaboo neets don't like him

K

I don't have much of an opinion about him.

Just dropped in to see the two ever conflicted sides arguing over their extreme opinions about him so that I might find a balanced view of his legacy.

FDR was a great president. Sure, he made some bad policy choices, but he also kept the American morale high. Whether you think his economic policies worked his fireside chats and demeanor kept America from going apeshit. Plus he did it all while having polio

Anyone who hates FDR has no sense of historical perspective. He was a complicated person. And

>And
user?

The New Deal is as much a failure as Wilson's Great Society.

In the words of an actual US President, "The problem IS the government." --RWR

Look up the Court packing scandal

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>Wilson's Great Society
>Wilson
>Great
>Society

Why are you on a history board if you don't know any history?

So why are you here?

How is this an argument again?

Didn't he remove blacks from the civil service and not specify blacks in the new deal
The KANGZ would get pissed with that

Other leaders such as Hugh S. Johnson of the NRA took ideas from the Woodrow Wilson Administration, advocating techniques used to mobilize the economy for World War I. They brought ideas and experience from the government controls and spending of 1917–18. Other New Deal planners revived experiments suggested in the 1920s, such as the TVA.

Why are you here?

Egomaniac couldn't be photographed in his wheelchair. Fundamentally dishonest.

Welsh's Grape Society?

I believe the term is "Grape Drank".

>Fundamentally dishonest.
If I knew people wouldn't vote for me just because I was in a wheel chair regardless of my politics, I'd do the same and wouldn't consider myself dishonest, just...taking wise approach to the low information voter.

What the fuck does that have to do with the Great Society, a social program from the LBJ era?

Either retard or meme baiter.
Wilson wasn't the President who had a policy known as the Great Society.
Either way, kill yourself.

Because he is a retarded /pol/ack that learned his "historical facts" from a shitty YouTube video. Kinda like Veeky Forums and John Green.

>And

Sounds like a question begging epithet

Do you have proof for these claims?
Also off topic and not a argument

>I assume this means you're going to call everyone who doesn't like him a "/pol/fag redneck sister fucking Nazi KKK Whyte supremacist"

>one of the largest wars we have ever seen
>one of

No, wait, why is seeing him sitting down in all these photos making me sad.

Where did you get that, /leftypol/?

>brother

WWI

WWII

Same measures taken.

Historical events reoccur.

Plebs on Veeky Forums confused.

Not sure how you people cross the road by yourselves. Maybe that's just a bad assumption on my part.

What the fuck does that have to do with the Great Society, a social program from the LBJ era?

I do wish Trump would have run Bull Moose. I truly do.

I already gave you the cite. Maybe read it this time?

>I do wish Trump would have run Bull Moose
He's not a conservationist. The Bull Moose party shouldn't be revived by an industrialist who'd end a species for a golf course or a tower.

I'll ask you, for a third time: what does any of this have to do with Lyndon B. Johnson's social program, the only thing anyone thinks of when they hear "Great Society" and know a thing or two about American history?

>The Bull Moose party shouldn't be revived by an industrialist who'd end a species for a golf course or a tower.
Conservationism is a scam. The federal government shouldn't own that much land. The national parks should be sold off to Americans and developed by the private sector.

Cuck

When I say "liberal" I mean classical liberal. I may very well vote for Trump.

Then the bull moose party scam isn't for you or trump.

I happen to like the scam. National parks are great.

>I happen to like the scam.
Well, you really shouldn't like scams, it's not virtuous.
>National parks are great.
For what? Hiking?

>For what? Hiking?
and camping, picnics, getting away from society for a while.

After reviewing the definition, I think we're working with the wrong label "scam".

>a dishonest scheme; a fraud
You'll have to point the dishonesty inherent in the creation of parks and preserves.

Having read some a book on TR's life and his conservationism, his motivations struck me as straightforward and pure.

>and camping, picnics, getting away from society for a while.
I'm honestly not convinced that these are good reasons to prevent private citizens from owning and developing that land.
>>a dishonest scheme; a fraud
That's your definition. Mine is "a scheme to deprive people of wealth without their realizing it."
>Having read some a book on TR's life and his conservationism, his motivations struck me as straightforward and pure.
At this point, it's a scam.

>I'm honestly not convinced that these are good reasons to prevent private citizens from owning and developing that land.
And I don't think I could change your mind on that, but the preservation of wild places and native animal populations is worth more to me and others who enjoy nature than the potential wealth of the private citizen. It is for the public good. If these lands were restricted to government use and development without oversight, then I'd see things your way.

>That's your definition.
That's the internet's definition and what you described was a type of scam, not the definition of a scam.

>At this point, it's a scam.
There's land yet to be developed and plenty awaiting revitalization and investment.

My great (great?) grandparents apparently worked for the Hoover election campaign, and when he lost they ended up destitute during the Great Depression, and hated FDR for it out of spite for the rest of their lives.

Other Americans? I don't know. He helped the poor, taxed the rich. That's enough for some people. The sorts of people who would nowadays be considered ultraconservatives absolutely hated him. And, like with modern ultraconservatives, they didn't really have a rational reason. The fact that he was so successful made them hate them all the more.

My great grandmother tried to blow him up

He was very good on foreign policy, domestic was kind of shit.

Wow, it's amazing you have gotten all the way up to the 8th grade by now, what with your complete and utter lack of reading comprehension. Unfortunately for you, this is an adult board, so please tell mommy and daddy you need to get off the internet now.

Isolationism wasnt really a principle

It kind of was. Not isolationism to be exact, but not "global police force, amerikkka fuck yeah!"

That doesnt work against any of their core principles though.

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His presidency provides an argument for heavy spending on social services, which many Americans are opposed to.

A much smaller minority of people dislike him because they are pacifists and he was a wartime president.

>Reagan
>a good president

It most certainly does.
That implies that there is one cohesive core set of principles.
But none the less, it does.

FDR blowing the free market good big government bad myth out of the water and his desire to have peaceful relations with the USSR aren't convenient for cold war american ideology, which is incidentally and without exaggeration the direct or root cause of every single problem in the world today.

He was a Tyrant Reformer-Lite, so obviously there's going to be some butthurt over him. Same thing with Augustus for example. He made a lot of important and successful reforms, but he also somewhat eroded democracy stomped all over Republicans. So Repubs think he was the Antichrist, while at the same time they worship the memory of a far worse president (Reagan).

>FDR blowing the free market good big government bad myth out of the water
Or seeing how his policies in conjunction with LBJ prove the "myth" to be true, neo liberal scum.
>and his desire to have peaceful relations with the USSR aren't convenient for cold war american ideology, which is incidentally and without exaggeration the direct or root cause of every single problem in the world today.
You're a fucking moron, every single problem today can be traced back to the French Revolution.

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>FDR and LBJ
>neoliberals

what are words

I'm calling you neoliberal.

I realize now why not to use sarcasm on the Internet.

You're not calling me anything, I'm not the guy you were talking to.

But "free market good, big government bad" is pretty much what neoliberals are all about, they wouldn't be calling it a "myth".

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Hw interned thousands of US citizens on account of nothing but their ethnic background.

Why would a Naziboo hate FDR? He was the American equivalent of a Hitler or a Mussolini or a Stalin and the only reason you don't recognise this is because America won WW2 and then the Cold War. At the time all the major liberal theorists and constitutional scholars were quite clear about his dictatorial tendencies and quite excited by them.

>one of his first acts was an illegal use of war powers in peace time to freeze bank assets
>has congress delegate unprecedented legislative powers to him
>instigates NIRA which is thrown out as unconstitutional
>cucks the court - undermines balance of powers - by threatening to stuff it until the switch in time
>imprisoned decent patriotic japanese-americans like Korematsu and Hirabayashi

A vermin-tier POTUS

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The economy picked up after the SCOTUS threw out NIRA for the first time. When FDR forced the program into effect he reversed the growth until he was saved by war mobilisation.

FRD handed over half of Europe to the Soviets, as he actually thought Stalin was a good guy and the U.S.S.R. was some kinda “United States of Eastern Europe” and we’d all just happily get along after the war.

The strong post-WWII U.S. economy wasn’t due to FRD’s efforts either, it was a case of everybody else on the planet being bombed to hell and gone, with the U.S. being the only functioning 1st world economy left.

Fuck that crippled fuck.

>No he didn't, the citizens of the United States won WW2
USA USA USA

Is the only way to make America great again is start WWIII and bomb the fuck out of everyone else?

American greatness means the rest of the world is crippled or under developed, so yes.

Are you implying that we ever stopped being great?

>Not liking national parks
What, they're like one of the things that the government does mostly right. Seriously national parks are some of the greatest pieces of nature on Earth and I'm glad they're preserved as much as they are

>japanese internment
though I'll give you that one because most Americans don't even know what the fuck that was