You're Hitler. What next? Can you still win the war?

>with all of my navy
wat

Germany's navy was just barely more than a bunch of out-dated subs

All of my navy. ALL OF IT.

Look it's a long shot but if Hitler pulled out of North Africa and agreed not to touch British colonies maybe their would've been enough public pressure on Churchill to negotiate. Oh who am I kidding, only way to get Britain to the negotiating table is to have Churchill killed. I recommend using the IRA, once Churchill is disposed of it'd be considerably easier to get them to the table

You don't know how naval warfare works or Germany's naval power during the war

>a plan that literally depends on a miracle
Like Case Blue, Yellow and White. He is just being in character.

>First off, and most importantly, when Pearl Harbor gets bombed DO NOT DECLARE WAR ON THE UNITED STATES. This would severely delay if not
>stop the US from getting involved in Europe.
Don't you think Roosevelt would have found a way to get involved if he really wanted to? Some staged incident à la Vietnam maybe...

>Norway invade Iceland

Have fun moving all those transports past Scapa Flow and half the British surface fleet. Even trying to move troops to Norway cost the Germans the majority of their surface fleet. Trying to crawl across the RN-infested North Sea to stage an amphibious invasion of Iceland with no ability to resupply, no air support, and no surface ships for artillery purposes is not a winning paradigm. This is just as bad for invading England itself, and made worse by the exceptionally homeland defense measures they were taking. It'd be a nightmare.

And of course, you yourself stated the most important problem - the Americans and Canadians. The fall of England would probably be enough to trigger an American declaration of War. At that point, the only difference would be US landings in Iceland, then England in reverse order to your plan followed by the invasion of France. Any sign of weakness or significant withdrawals of troops from the horrendously long and faulty defensive line across Eastern Europe would be enough to send Uncle Joe across the border, fighting the offensive war he'd always wanted with the time to rest and reorganize he's always needed.

You'd end up with a more rapid decolonization due to a heavily Americanized England, as well as a stronger Soviet sphere of influence in Eastern and parts of Western Europe due to the Commies having more time to overrun stuff.

It's be interesting in its results, but other than that I don't know.

the IRA were a bunch of incompetent shits at the time though

What are you talking about? Roosevelt was scrambling to find a reason to go to war in Europe and public support was only for going to was in Pacific against Japan until Germany declared war on the United States.

Naw, Churchill had already made his mark. He'd be a martyr for the cause and perhaps of more value than he would be alive with his dubious strategic meddling.

I see what you did there...

kek
What fucking supplies do you think the British are housing? Where are you going to get more ammo? Replacement tanks? New artillery? Fuel? You're not computing what a modern military force needs to continue operations, this isn't the 1400's, you need a constant chain of supplies. Germany also doesn't have NEARLY enough ships to land a sizable force in the UK, and the RAF can easily bomb any shitty collection of fishing boats into submission. And, if Germany does succeed in landing the massive army in the UK, by swimming across the channel, I suppose, defeating the RAF, neutralizing the RN, and getting a supply chain that runs from London to Scapa Flow, what do you think the USSR will do while you're fighting the Home Defense Force? Stand there with their thumbs up their asses? No, they'll stab you in the back, and be in Berlin by the time you pull your forces out.

But IF a member of the IRA kills him and they don't find out about German involvement he wouldn't be martyred by the Nazis but by the Irish

Honestly, this sounds like a great plan. Secures your Eastern flank, gives you oil and a ton of other ressources and gives you the possibility to threaten the Brits in the Middle East. Hitler gets unreasonably much shit for it.

Even if there is no evidence of German involvement, they'll be assumed responsible.

Well it's a lot more likely than operation Sea Lion working

Why didn't Hitler make an effort to assassinate Stalin in 1941? Like sending a suicide parachute divison right to the Cremlin. The ensueing infighting could have really got things going

Challenge Churchill to single gladiatorial combat, winner-take-all

Gallup polls after the fall of France show an ever growing push for war among the U.S. populace.

Churchill would tear off Hitler's head and use it the stump to put out his cigar

Doesn't change the fact the American public was still largely isolationist

>cremlin

My best bet would probably be to give total control of all of France back to Vichy and install a vaguely right-wing phony-borgeoisie government that would act as a plausible replacement for the deposed one. Partition the Balkans up between Italy, Bulgaria, Romania, and Hungary because who gives a fuck about the Balkans.

Pressure Spain to be more of a team player and lend at least total political recognition of a new European order. Same with Sweden. Also military transit rights from both.

Use secret police and SS to destroy political opposition within occupied lands and support any nationalist independence movements that are right-leaning in order to gain an international image as a 'liberator' rather than conqueror.

Keep German-speaking low countries, Denmark, Austria, Czechoslovakia, and western Poland for myself but otherwise try as hard as I can to achieve peace with England by 'conceding' things I already own and have no need for.

If they refuse- then the sitzkrieg begins. Rather trying to conquer England (retard level move) I do what Napoleon did and embargo them and sit on my superior land army while NOT invading Russia.

Capturing Gibraltar would be key for this- but if Spain isn't retarded they'll help me or get anschluss'd.

Eventually even with American foreign aid- short of getting the US to declare war on me for no reason England will be pretty well fucked. They can have a colonial empire if they want- I don't want Africa back- and in fact I won't even waste the troops helping Italy fuck around in the sand with the Britbongs.

Abandon Jap alliance when they fuck up and attack US.

Eventually even if peace is never declared- the UK will have to concede they've lost. If not start throwing V3s at them until that changes.

If I can keep my territorial integrity straight until about 1945-6 I probably did it. This all assumes this map is before declaration of war on USSR. Otherwise too late I shoot myself for being retarded.

How are you going to deal with an inevitable economic depression because your economy is geared toward conquest?

>Land a large force in North Africa to engage the Empire, rest of the army guards the Eastern border and the French coast

>take Egypt, if possible kill and capture many British soldiers while doing so

>ask Britain to sign a peace treaty

>if they decline, invade Palestine and Iraq to get the oil

>install independent regimes

>scale up aircraft and submarine production and resume the attacks on RAF airfields

>take Gibraltar

>try to inflict further losses on the British army in Africa

>fortify the Eastern border and wait

Please delete this cancer.

Not sure about that one, Hitler had seen the trenches, I'm sure he knew how to bludgeon a man to death.

At no point in the war did hitler have a realistic chance of winning. I cant even imagine what he could have done to give himself such a genuine chance

>Land a large force in North Africa to engage the Empire, rest of the army guards the Eastern border and the French coast

>They starve and run out of food and fuel about 200 miles out of Tobruk because there are no railroads and the British are taking potshots at your supply ships.

FTFY.

He would need to alter the political foundations of the war that people would be willing to accept limited war with limited aims and peace treaties after his initial successes.

He gets shit for it because it had virtually 0 chance of succeeding, the fact that he literally HAD to do it is irrelevant

>He would need to alter the political foundations of the war
His entire economy was underwritten by an assumed war of conquest. If war spoils hadnt started pouring in then the whole german economy would have collapsed again

Pretty sure that's how Hitler got to where he was by 1939.
>betting that nobody would mobilize against him while Ger was obviously expanding and readying for war

>British are taking potshots at your supply ships.
What if I take Malta before?

gg no re

That eliminates one source of raiders. You'll have more sortieing out of Gibraltar, Alexandria, and Cyprus.

What about changing the economy entirely. Scare piss off the Americans by making an actual alliance and economic pact with the Soviets? Would that work? My goal here would be to genocide the English. While I probably won't be able to do that, I could at least fuck them hard so they lose their empire quicker and are a lot more miserable.

Just hold eastern europe instead of pushing all my troops to some worthless Caucasus shit hole to lose all my men at. The USSR already accepted a limited war with finland for minimal territorial exchange and an armistice

Soviets and Nazis HATED each other, people were surprised they signed a non-agression pack

Yeah, Hitler did not like the Soviets I get that. However in this scenario WE are Hitler we can do things differently. I don't have to exterminate the Jews for example. I just want to make Germany as powerful as possible and fuck the UK and the US as hard as possible for revenge for WW1. So I can try to be nice and make deals with the Soviets. Because I can tell Stalin that while America and it's Allies hate me, after I'm gone they will be after you and the Comitern next. So it's in both of our interests to cooperate. I won't attack the Russians instead of wasting all those german lives fighting the Soviets, I'll just use them to fight against the British.

How exactly? Isn't that out of range for fighter aircraft?

>implying Stalin will ally with facist pigs

I swear some people never learn, hitler hated the french for defeating the kaiserriech and now some new fan boys haplessly move the goal posts to the next victor

Well Hitler beat the French so there is that. But I'm not a Hitler fanboy dickwad. I think Hitler was stupid and he caused Germany to lose. If Hitler wanted "Living Space" he should have taken it from France and tried to wipe out the Anglos instead of looking east and fighting the slavs and killing the jews. If he did not chase out jewish scientists like Einstein he might have been able to build a nuke.

I don't think Stalin really cares. Besides I'd be willing to "convert" to communism so long as Stalin helps me with resources and helps me fuck over the UK.

You're lack of knowledge about the Second World War physically hurts me

Well then enlighten me.

Alright well I don't have time for sources but here's a crash course. Facism was diametrically opposed to Communism. The Nazis loathed the Soviets. The feeling was mutual. See this political cartoon from the era

You aren't telling me WHY they hate each other. How is national socialism and communism different? I know the Nazis had wacky racial theories and shit, but what were their economic policies. I know that the Nazis hated the Russians and other Slavs for racial reasons. But guess what I don't, and Stalin is a smart man. If I don't give him cause he won't start a war with me. And since I'm basically dictator of Germany I have the power to make sure Germany tries to stay on good terms with Russia. The Russians are not a threat, they aren't nearly as dangerous as the Americans and British. Honestly the UK and US beat Germany in world war 1. Russia did not. Stalin also did not get into power by promising vengeance and making Germany great again. He got in through regular communist things and killing his political rivals. I'm not going to threaten Stalin's position, and I'll even be willing to give him control over some parts of eastern Europe if he supplies me with gas and other resources so I can fight the British. I'd make that clear to Stalin. I only have one goal fuck up the US and UK the same guys who don't like him. I'm willing to apologize, change, and even give some reparations in exchange for his friendship and help. After all those of us against democracy have to stick together.

The US was barely involved in ww1, at best they made it a little shorter. WW1 was germany vs France with british help

Attack Russia, go with everything toward Moscow and pray for that to work.

Playing from the German position of 1941 is basically a losing scenario all around. You're already bogged down in a two front war with nowhere to go. You'd have to be working with a fundamentally different Germany and Italy. If I had to make an effort say starting in 33'

>Have Italian and Romanian commanders all learn from German military schools and tutored by German officers so they can fail less spectacularly.

>Send the Italians and Romanians German weapons designs so that can suck less.

>Shift money from Kriegsmarine to Luftwaffe and Heer because you will never out do British sea power.

>Instead of producing Pnz III concurrently with Pnz IV, produce the latter only with the larger guns that were added after France.

>Instead of making completely new tanks over the course of the war, simply upgrade and improve on Pnz IV design.

>Full war economy from outset.

>Move forward as history did until the aftermath of France

>Instead of shifting to terror bombings never stop pounding the RAF

>Kill the fucking radar towers first

>Hopefully will not need to bail out Italians in Greece and N.Africa. If they need help in the latter make sure they finish it and take Suez

>Don't fuck over the Eastern Europeans who were all for supporting Germany until the Nazis acted like... Nazis.

That's a start.

Nope, America really did supply a lot of the weapons and materials the allies used. Without America Germany might have had a chance to win. Once America got in the war it was all over. This applies to both world wars. After all in the first world war right after the Russian Empire left the Americans came in with a fresh force. There is no way Germany could compete with that. It was all because of their trade relationship with the UK and german uboats sinking ships keeping the Brits afloat. Same thing that is happening now in world war 2. The only way Germany can survive is by not pissing off Russia. The UK has an unfair advantage by having a superpower the US sponsor it. Germany to close the gap should ally with another upcoming super power the USSR to help supply them against the Brits. Then if you don't have to worry about being invaded from the east you can sit and consolidate your annexed territory in western Europe and stare angrily across the Chanel and think of a way to improve your navy so you can sink some English warships and try to land troops on the British Isles.

He wasn't as experienced as Churchill from what I understand, though he was probably in better shape by 41.

If Hitler decided in 1941 to just say 'welp I actually don't have any problem with slavs' he'd completely lose support.

Now as far as differences, it goes deeper than economics. Economically, the Nazis were more capitalistic. They had a system pretty close to Italy's corporatism, where free enterprise is encouraged as long as it is deemed beneficial for the goals of the country. The Soviets were still trying to do the whole planned economy thing.

Other than that, they also had very different goals. While Stalin was nationalistic, communism is inherently internationalist and Stalin had internationalist plans of world-wide communism. Germany was more focused on Europe, and only really got involved outside of Europe when Italy or Japan dragged them into it. Their base plan was lebensraum, or living space, for the German people. The idea was that everything east of Germany up to the Urals would be conquered by Germany as a sort of frontier for the German people to settle.

Ss much as Hitler hated the US, he loved the frontier culture of the Wild West and thought that the key to a hardy nation would be to have a German version in Russia. Of course this also entailed the ethnic cleansing of Poland and Western Russia.

You know the Nazis were not the only group in Germany at the time right? So yes you can moderate it, and say that it's not the slavs who are the problem it's the anglos who are the inferior race. As for economics I've heard that before, and I highly doubt Stalin will care how I order my economy as long as I don't disturb him or his puppet nations/protectorates. Also you are vastly overestimating Stalin's internationalism he was not Trotsky after all, if I am friendly to communists and support them. He won't care if I actually implement central control of the economy and have me and my government order everything or just let whatever happen. And yes Germany was promised living space, however why go fight Russia for it, when we can just take it from France when we already have the territory there under our control?

Give England and France a favorable peace like don't take anything from France no territory or indemnity leave Belgium, Norway, Denmark and Netherlands.Create puppets in eastern Europe including a relitivly large Poland minus the German settled territories and then invade USSR

Probably won't work. Hitler tried to make peace with the UK Churchill did not want anything less than unconditional surrender.

I love HOI 3 and that was beautiful.

What I'd Poland had all its territory minus Danzig and Greece amd Yugoslavia would also be evacuated of German troops.

>ou know the Nazis were not the only group in Germany at the time right? So yes you can moderate it, and say that it's not the slavs who are the problem it's the anglos who are the inferior race.
But that's just absurd, you'd be contradicting the entire basis of the Nazi platform. By 1941 the Nazis were the undisputed leaders of the nation. You're not going to get them out of power without a civil war, and that would be the end of Germany.

>As for economics I've heard that before, and I highly doubt Stalin will care how I order my economy as long as I don't disturb him or his puppet nations/protectorates.
Except, y'know, Stalin was readying for an invasion of Europe. One of the reasons why the initial stage of Barbarossa was so successful was because the Soviets weren't in defensive positions. And why do you think he set up communist puppets in the East after the war? Stalin believed in Communism in one nation, that means forming an economic bloc of communist nations led by the Soviets, with the goal of applying this to the world.

>Also you are vastly overestimating Stalin's internationalism he was not Trotsky after all, if I am friendly to communists and support them.
But that doesn't make sense at all. The Nazis and Soviets are the antithesis, their entire existence is to stop the other. Nazis saw the Soviets as thuggish red barbarians and the Soviets saw the Nazis as the last gasp of the bourgeiosie, aka capitalism in decline.

>And yes Germany was promised living space, however why go fight Russia for it, when we can just take it from France when we already have the territory there under our control?
There was a historical precedent of Germans moving East to colonize, starting with the German monastic orders like the Teutonics and Livonians. Poland, Czechoslovakia, and the Baltics all had huge populations of German settlers. I mean this isn't just the Nazi plan, this is an extension of what the German Empire was planning for in WW1.

Secure the Mediterranean for starters. Cut the Brits off from their colonial holdings and thus oil. Invade Malta and Cyprus, coerce the sympathetic Spanish nationalists to help you take Gibraltar, assist Italy with logistics and technology more so they stop getting rekt. Once your southern flank is now secure, attempt to (somehow) delay the Brits long enough for you to take the USSR.

ITT: Cancerous and childish armchair generaling

>sitzwar
Have fun being rolled over by the full might Red Behemoth in 1942 instead of crippled one in 1944-45. USSR from Lisbon to Vladivostok. All while on a depressed economy blockaded by RN (unironically blockade Britain, that's sweet).

>Stalin was readying for an invasion of Europe.
not at the time of barbarossa
>One of the reasons why the initial stage of Barbarossa was so successful was because the Soviets weren't in defensive positions
but they were - defensive in the sense of the soviet doctrine at the time, which was very much in line with the spirit of the counter-offensive
they were not, however, in actual invasion (as in offensive) deployments as evidenced by no artillery formation preparations and zero of the logistical work that lead up to both the winter war and the conflict in poland

>Once Britain is surrounded completely, we invade, destroy Britain

You're an idiot.

Admiral Reader's Mediterranean strategy?

Too bad HOI4 looks like a gamey casual clusterfuck :(

What do you think the Axis tried to do IRL? Protip: literally what you're describing

The problem is getting more useful troops to Africa. The only port big enough for ops on that scale along the North African coast is Alexandria. So you have the situation where you need more men and materiel to capture Egypt, but the only way to get them there is to cature Egypt. This ignores the fact that the RM was getting its shit well and truly slapped by Cunningham at the same time.

wouldnt do much of anything

the silly thing is that at that point the war was allready won

britain couldnt realy do shit outside of africa, soviets were practicaly allies and america wasnt even in the war, it could of just ended there and then

all hitler should have done was consolidate the axis into some sort of europaische union thing, and send a diplomatic mission to washington to sort things out and hint that germany might be a better friend than commie rusia in the longrun

the one thing he should not have done was invade fucking sssr and go to war with america, at the same time

but then, hitler was a insane megalomaniac and the whole nazi top were criminaly incompetent morons and psychos so it realy could not have gone any other way

it realy was a catastrophy in every way imaginable

As usual with Paradox games for every problem it fixes(the new technology and production systems are great) it fucks up another one(land combat...).

Yes. At that point you could still negotiate from a position of relative strenght.

>How is national socialism and communism different?
pic related
>what were their economic policies
For USSR it was central planning, for Germany it was hardcore Keynesianism turned into aggressive robber economy, by 1941 they were out of countries they could easily invade and steal from.
>I'll even be willing to give him control over some parts of eastern Europe if he supplies me with gas and other resources so I can fight the British.
He stopped supplying him because Germany traded on debt for several months.
> It was all because of their trade relationship with the UK and german uboats sinking ships keeping the Brits afloat
The tonnage sunk started to drop by 1941 and then skyrocketed in 1942. Guess who's ships were the next prey.

Stalin wanted Germany, Great Britain and France to bleed out during the war. He would gladly support Germans if the war would bog down into WW1 scenario but it didn't so he used their trade debt as an excuse to stop selling them resources(and by this - cripple them and enforce stalemate) whether it was effective or not it's debatable but it sure happened.

After they would bleed over that war, that German-Soviet alliance would disappear and war-thorn Germany would get raped by the Red Army after the military reforms(that is post 1943 Red Army).

And invading England was impossible from Germany's perspective.

>it fucks up another one(land combat...).
I don't think it looks too bad if I'm honest. It's not great, they should have refined the HQ system rather than just getting rid of it, but making a coherent plan without taking ages to do it is nice. And the counters don't stack ridiculously any more.

I open the console and type conquerall RUS

>After they would bleed over that war, that German-Soviet alliance would disappear and war-thorn Germany would get raped by the Red Army after the military reforms(that is post 1943 Red Army).

This. 1941 was really hitler's last chance. Few more years and red army would be like it was in 1944 - invincible. And Stalin WAS planning an attack.

>And invading England was impossible from Germany's perspective.
It was more than possible, but it wasn't a part of hitler's major strategy. He never wanted war with Brits in the first place. He saw europe as german's domain but was respecting GB colonial power status. He played easy with brits (see dunkerque, first stage of battle of britain, before churchill ordered to bomb berlin) because he was hoping that churchill will be kick out an GB will sign a peace treaty.

In fact if GB would do that and Germany would won the war, british empire would be still here, and murrica would be their little pet. Churchill is the one who made GB what it is today, and what it is, we all know.

Defeating brits = make murrica great (well not again but rather for the first time). Hitler knew that.
And btw that was exactly the outcome of wwII

Invade USSR because I'm not a pussy.
Use all my naval resources to build more U-Boats so I can continue to starve Britain.
Don't declare war on America even when the idiot japs bomb Pearl Harbor. It's their problem, and it's not like they helped us with USSR.
Try to capture Moscow as quickly as possible. When the Winter sets in, hold a defensive line to hold off any major Soviet counterattacks and then sue for peace.
Britain is now alone and I can just wait until the Brits surrender.

hitler wanted to turn the east into farm land run by slavic slaves n german people

Who would win in a fight: guy who is constantly drunk or guy who is constantly high as fuck on amphetamines and cocaine?

develop nukes, nuke moscow. Annex the east. Tell brits to submit or London would be next.

Tell Japan to slow down so they don't get desperate for resources and attack America
No telling Mexico to fight the US, no declaring war on them

If they go to war anyway don't fall for the bait and listen to my advisors for D-day

Don't try to ask for tanks bigger than the tiger
Dunno what to do about Russia, that will be inevitable. Maybe hold off on declaring on them as soon as possible?

Bomb factories, not regular citizens

Also, try to negotiate for peace because holding onto some land is way better than how we ended up

I only know how he screwed up, not how to win

It's probably too late to reverse the policy wrt to Poland, but I'd start by negotiating a "peace with honour" for the French, making a point of NOT going all Versailles on them and using this as an opportunity to make peace with Britain, or at least, to curry favor with the USA. On the Eastern front, I'd give my generals the authority to manouver as they saw fit, including permission to retreat, and I'd not bother trying to take Stalingrad and Leningrad, just beseige them and move on, Baku is the real prize.

It's interesting to note how quick his generals were to put all of the blame on him when the plan failed despite them all having been involved in its conception and approving it.

Let my military command be the military command and move myself to being the figurehead I need to be.
Do I win?

has your decision somehow bumped german gdp by about fifty percent minimum, streamlined production, improved logistics and/or had done the opposite of the above to your enemies? no? then you probably have not won

Thank you, OP. Thus thread shiwed me that however idiotic Hitler's decisions were at times, there were always people much more brainless.
Literally 2 propositions from 1 post out of 90+ had any sense whatsoever.

>my
I'm just a figurehead, I don't actually run the bloody gig.

Logistics

>start the invasion in the last few weeks of Winter/first few weeks of Spring so there's plenty of warm weather
Are you an idiot? This is the most retarded time, snow melt, level of water in rivers increases, most of fields near rivers literally became lakes.