/pol/-tier racism aside...

That's wrong, they mixed the mud with straw and cow dung!

We should really just leave each other alone.

Yes, their average IQ.

>600 years
What the fuck?

>implying Italians aren't only honorary whites

The first Italians to come to America weren't considered white. I love it how internet trolls only consider someone "white" when it makes them look good, otherwise the achievements of Antiquity Scandinavia would be too embarrassing.

Source?

In my personal opinion, Europeans didn't "advance" technologically past the Africans or Asians until the advent of capitalism and shares and stocks. Until then many Europeans had to travel to Africa and Asia for trade and wealth.

The Irish too. You hear about multiculturalism but "white" people are incredibly ethnically diverse. "White" just means European to most people nowadays when 100 or 200 years ago that was not the case.

Ben Franklin didn't consider anyone but Anglo-saxons white, everyone else was at most swarthy.

East Asians.

And during the Civil War German Americans who made up about 1/4 of the Union Army were ridiculed constantly as Dutch cowards, etc or for being not as good as the anglo Saxon good old boys, or for speaking funny, or for being socialists or Catholic (many in te Midwest were former revolutionaries many closer to the border states were Catholic)

Don't live in Africa.

There are no good enough excuses really, the blacks just have no ambition and drive.

Blacks and Zebras just don't get along.

>The first Italians to come to America weren't considered white

That's because they were all Southern Italians and Sicillians, whose only contribution to the rest of Italy is organised crime.

Why didn't Northern Europe have civilization until meds brought iit?

Because 2500 years means absolutely nothing.

Humanity spent 250,000 years in the stone age, getting out of it 2500 years quicker than another group of humans does not make you superior.

Yeah man, we are like, totally equal dude.

South africans even found a way to cure AIDS, you just have to fuck toddlers dude.
That's like, medicine and shieeeet.

>Why didnt North Nips have civilization before south nips brought it?

You forgot to mention that sort of building is actually fairly worthwhile when you're living in the cold northen parts of europe. African blacks don't have that excuse.

Also, the gauls pre-roman conquest weren't living in mudhuts exactly either, they had been building wooden and stone structures for centuries.

Finally, despite all the desperate attempts at revisionism aside, the italians and greeks were and still are white and they were not living mudhuts either.

The only african people who can claim similar levels of sophistication for the time period in question are the ethiopians and they didn't expand that much.

:^)

For fuck sake the very first civilized humans made civilization in barren deserts the blacks literally have no excuses at all especially the ones that live in the Sahara where goats and camels can be found.

>first civilization
>barren desert

Why do the blacks always use mudhuts? Even the Native Americans in North America had actual villages made out of stone yet the blacks height of architecture are mudhuts, mud buildings and really shitty rock walls.

Do you blame them? They had no contact with Eurasia until the middle ages and agriculture only reached south Africa 2000 years later in which civilization would arrive with luck 3000 years after that.

There was a really good thread months ago dealing with the reasons for lack of African success but it just can't be summed up as "low iq". Civilizations get influenced by one another. Do you think the Romans would have gotten anywhere without the Greeks or if the Greek would have done anything significant without Egypt and the near east?

>For fuck sake the very first civilized humans made civilization in barren deserts
No they didn't. They made it on extremely fertile flood plains.
Blacks have as much excuse as anyone else.

Why did Nordics spend so long in the stone age living in straw huts, why did they need meds to teach them civilisation?

Are you this ignorant or just talking shit on purpose?

Blacks used stone where they had it. Mud works fine in hot countries and is the go to building material. The same way Europeans would use cow shit.

What I hate about this kind of Guns Germs and Steel type shit is that it's making up excuses for conditions that aren't actually present.

>hurr durr why no buildings in desert
There were tonnes of them. They didn't usually look very impressive, but hey.

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>Why did Nordics spend so long in the stone age living in straw huts
Because its fucking cold, you ever notice YOU CANT FIND A SINGLE MONOLITH IN THE COLD REGIONS OF THE GLOBE? One of the reasons Russia's human population is very low for its size is because of the fucking cold making it a struggle just to live casually, most of Western Russia is uninhabitable since the cold freezes the water pipes.
Central Native Americans built civilizations from scratch so again blacks have no excuses.

>mosque
So they had help from arabs.

>Central Native Americans built civilizations from scratch so again blacks have no excuses.
No excuses for what? You're operating on a false premise, there were plenty of sub-Saharan civilizations.

what did he think of the Dutch Americans?

Germany and Scandinavia are perfectly warm enough to have civilisation.

Your arguments are ridiculous, i ask again, why did Nordics not have "civilisation" and need it given to them by meds.

No excuses for lack of significant civilizations, if american gooks on the otherside of the planet can come with every civilized concept without outside help from Eurasia then blacks have no excuses for their lack of progress.

Which African city is that? I've been to Accra, which I thought was one of the most well-developed cities in Africa (at least, outside of South Africa and the north African countries) - and it didn't look anything like that.

>excuses

Not just an attempt at description?

The tse-tse fly is a big factor as it makes it impossible to breed cattle and settle down to work your land.

Scandinavia isnt warm user its cold and in cold your internal body is sapped from you reducing your ability to do work. The Nords took a long time to develop because the cold held them back where as the warm Medis progressed faster due to lack of cold same applies to japanese in the south where its warmer than the cold north.

>The silk road, transmitting ideas for thousands of years
>The Sahara desert, an impassible barrier before the introduction of the Camel
fool

So what if the blacks couldnt get no ideas from Eurasia? American indians developed civilization from scratch so why cant the blacks do so as well?

Because mud is an excellent building material in the humid tropics

It traps heat better than stone on cold days/nights, and remains cool when it's hot outside

Mud just grosses you out

Nairobi I think

Grain of salt because i haven't researched this. But I would surmise that African societies would not have experienced the same pressures of European cultures to advance technologically because if tribes were in conflict or say if resources were in demand, they could just spread out to other ares as Africa is vast and move with the resources (eg animals to hunt). In Europe on the other hand, resources tend to be more static (eg fertile land) so if populations were in conflict, the victor would just occupy that land, so there was more pressure to make the most of that land and have more advanced battle capability hence the need for an agricultural revolution and armour/castle building. When societies do not then need all the people to gather resources to sustain life all the time, (like many African societies) there is more time for other cultural advances eg. Building, art, science etc The use of a common language would also have greatly promoted sharing of these advances between separated cultures unlike areas in Africa which were difficult to travel between due to scarce resources.

>1075648
Did you read my last point? Agriculture arrived MUCH later to west and south Africa than the rest of the world. It would take a long time for civilization to arrive after that.

There were also contraints on African life. Not everything was easy peasy like for example the Tse Tse fly, and shitty non fertile land in some cases.

Here is the thread I was talking about that perfectly explains why Africans lag behind others with good reason.

desustorage.org/his/thread/863904/#864292

You are literally insane if you think northern europe was stuck in the stone age before roman contact.

1. They were there for thousands of years
2. The Proto-Indo-Europeans who mixed with them were from the cold steppes of Central Asia
3. They have no excuses for not developing civilisation
4. You will never understand that civilisaiton isn't some magical thing all humans strive for but rather a product of necessity due to specific conditions.

But what is a "lack of progress"? What do you mean? What makes, say, medieval African civilisations inferior to their European or American counterparts? What makes them not significant? Just because you haven't heard of them?

Progress is a myth
Not all societies have the same trajectory or goals or cultural drive

Europe advanced for a lot of reasons, and all of them were completely different from other societies around the world.

Europe has always been special more or less.

They did, there were many black civilisations.

You will now say they never achieved anything so it doesn't count.

Hence the quotation marks. Almost everyone including Africans had civilisation by 2000BC. Civilisation doesn't mean building fancy buildings...

>the very first civilized humans made civilization in barren deserts
Mesopotamia was actually lusher back then that today.

Because sub-saharan african blacks are stupid, user. Stupid people cannot figure out buildings made of wood and/or stone. The only real exception to this were the east african kingdoms and again they didn't expand all that much.

I hope I'm not taking the bait here and this is not a 5-layered irony.
Scandinavia's cold climate made it possible to hunt large game. People did not really need agriculture to survive, for their numbers never grew that much. The region did not have such geographical characteristics that a large number of people were required to work together if they don't want to have their crops flooded by the big rivers.

Also

You're right more or less
Banking for one allowed for MASSIVE income and loans to boost capital needed for various things.

But not considering technology, art and philosophy flourished in Europe while in much of the world they stagnated

Northern europe worked bronze and iron, heavily depended on shipbuilding and trade(which is how your important roman influence got there in the first place) and had agriculture all before roman contact.

Blacks have been spear chuckers in the jungle since roman times if that map thats says negroland tells you anything or the book negroes in negroland as well. While some of them key word SOME did make civilizations in the late A.Ds and maybe late B.Cs as well they were just very very primitive compared to the ones in Eurasia or North America that existed as well. The blacks have nothing comparable to the pyramids built by Aztecs, the Nazca lines, and the artificial islands of the aztecs and these people did this from scratch which is more impressive feat. Even today the blacks have primitive societies compared to eurasians or native americans Im sorry but there has to be a genetic reason for their lack of progress.

Not in 2000BC
Why didn't they have civilisation then? Why not in 10,000BC?

Huh huh

Why didn't they use their genius intellect to build houses with central heating? Out of steel and concrete?

Tactics paints a very unflattering image of Nordic life

"In wonderful savageness live the nation of the Fenni, and in beastly poverty, destitute of arms, of horses, and of homes; their food, the common herbs; their apparel, skins; their bed, the earth; their only hope in their arrows, which for want of iron they point with bones. Their common support they have from the chase, women as well as men; for with these the former wander up and down, and crave a portion of the prey. Nor other shelter have they even for their babes, against the violence of tempests and ravening beasts, than to cover them with the branches of trees twisted together; this a reception for the old men, and hither resort the young. Such a condition they judge more happy than the painful occupation of cultivating the ground, than the labour of rearing houses, than the agitations of hope and fear attending the defense of their own property or the seizing that of others. Secure against the designs of men, secure against the malignity of the Gods, they have accomplished a thing of infinite difficulty; that to them nothing remains even to be wished."

"...they [Germans] do not till the soil or even store up food, but live in small huts that are merely temporary structures; and they live for the most part off their flocks, as the Nomads do, so that, in imitation of the Nomads, they load their household belongings on their wagons and with their beasts turn whithersoever they think best."

The highest distribution of game is in tropical Africa.

The Kushite Kingdom was made by Black Africans, it had pyramids, temples, and great cities. It lasted over 1000 years, it even conquered Ancient Egypt at one point, it had an organised military, a trade network, it had a sophisticated system of government with administrators in every town, tax collectors, provincial palaces, everything. It was a true civilisation of Black Africans.

I already know your answer will be that they copied or where inspired by the Egyptians. Yes so what, thats how every civilisation has worked except the ancient Mesopotamians.

Quit being so damn ignorant.

Yes user romans had every reason to call bronze age tribes savages but the truth is the romans didnt know about blacks really if they did they would completely redefine their idea of what a savage really is because back in roman times there were absolutely no black civilizations at all and the ancient arabs talked how animalistic the blacks were from back then.

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Ah true freedom with nature, a real master race

The Romans had contact with black kingdoms, like Nubia south of Egypt or Taureg kingdoms

>tactics

top kek

Yare Yare

You're making excuses

Scandis should have just started farming, mining, and building things

>East Africa
Those are diluted blacks as they have recorded eurasian DNA in them, I want actual pure black civilizations what have the descendents of the Bantu made?

This and the tse-tse problem I mentioned above gives you an idea why they don't cultivate the land and raise cattle.

Yes user romans never met a real black person meaning the spear chuckers beyond the Sahara.

Quite a few were

Which they did....

idk why people are obsessed with Africa, it's a shithole and always has been

More the question is why Europe shot so far ahead of the likes of the Orientals/Muslims who basically had everything going for them

Guns Germs and Steel

Scandis were in the iron age actually.

But many tribes from the highlands of Cameroon to the Congo basin used wood for houses

And stone was used among the Sotho-Tswana as well as Shona speakers

It's not an ideal building material

>excuses
Extreme cold is a perfectly valid excuse for not building a civilization. Northern europe was just too cold for the sorts of societies that existed in rome, greece, gaul and iberia.

>implying black africans know what that even is
Nice try user but blacks still believe magic can cure their diseases so they clearly lack the ability to connect bad cattle with an insect of all things.

Only limited areas did, and only AFTER it was taught to them by superior people

Excuses again

This. What the fuck ever happened to the Persians? They did great things in the Islamic golden age, had Nader Shah and fought Russia a couple times but what else? What made them fall so far off from Europe when they were the main backers of Muslim power/influence aside from the Ottomans?

What are you talking about moron?
Cattle raising is MASSIVE in Africa, it's one of th largest traditional industries

>>muslims
Euros got ahead of them when they were mostly under the control of a single empire that had various internal issues..

>>orientals
If you mean the chinese then part of it was probably due to a certain amount of arrogance on the part of the various chinese dynasties.

Not even remotely true.

The Romans knew all about black people, the Ancient world was much more connected than you think. Africans served in the armies of Persia and even Greece. Many went on to serve in the armies of Rome too.

No, they weren't diluted blacks with Eurasian DNA, they are a Nilotic people. Their answers still live there, they are the darkest Africans there are. Don't use the term Nubian either, its incorrect.
>I want actual pure black civilizations what have the descendents of the Bantu made?
There are lots but you refuse to accept them.

>taught to them
This is a meme european tribes indepedently figured metallurgy on their own.

Same with Croatians.

If you are interested here is an article that describes how Croatians were considered non-white or "blacks" in colonial New Zealand. And a similar view was held in most Anglo countries. It just shows how the term "white" is a meaningless concept invented in the 19th century by Anglo-Saxons to keep the "uncivilized" races in check.

hrcak.srce.hr/index.php?show=clanak&id_clanak_jezik=20260

Yh east africans they never once saw the bantu breed.
>There are lots but you refuse to accept them.
>lots
Sure show me them.

Also Sudanese Nilotics are the darkest humans on earth and look more Bantu then East African.

>Don't use Nubian either
What? The Nubians were the ones to have conquered Egypt at one point and create their kingdom. Ever heard of Meroe? Or all those Pyramids in Sudan. Their descendents still exist today and are very much mixed with Arabs.

Why are you discounting /pol/ tier reasons again?

>blacks still believe magic can cure their diseases

The same way I see some of these crazy christians who think praying can cure their diseases..