No more religious proselytization

And the "faith in the gaps" is better?

Continuously technology closes faith gaps, but faith doesn't open technology gaps. History has proven this.

How does one "open a gap" exactly?

Also faith is required to close technology gaps because one must believe something can exist before creating it.

They don't simply pray new tech into existence, m8.

>Also faith is required to close technology gaps
Thank God not even religious people obey this :-)

You know, jesus is the antichrist and these faggots are just demons in the hunt.

Very simple, jesus says to love your enemies, no?

TRY doing it.

TRY.

You are in a torture room, you have been there for 20 years, you have been tortured each day 15 hours daily, you've lost many important parts of your body, you're very screwed and the guy won't stop causing extrema pain to you of all kinds. And he laughs, and says blatantly that you will die of old age.

Try and love that guy. Can your heart feel it?

It's antinatural, it's a commandment invented by the devil.

More info: pastebin.com/m7aXiBwq

Yet they have faith that something which has not yet arrived yet will arrive.

Yes. I would love and pity the poor brute.

>mfw Catholics don't want people reading the Bible

uh.
Demons? Devil? get real

What an awful misinterpretation.

"We cannot live without... some belief in a Last Judgement..."

So atheists cannot live? They all suicide in the face of not being judged by an imaginary figure every single moment of their lives?

Then you clearly don't know what serendipity is and the massive role it plays in science.

For instance, when Wilson and Penzias found empirical evidence for the Big Bang, they were actually looking for bird poop on their instruments

Behold an honest man.

Not at all. All tech is made from minor iterations of existing tech.

No one has 'faith' that more futuristic stuff, like teleporters, will ever necessarily be possible.

They certainly aren't sitting round expecting it to magic itself into existence.

Your comparison is absurd.

"oh I would"

Yeah I believe you.

Know what I would do?, I would turn into a level 45890354890 wizard and turn him into a potato, and then mash him. AS believable as your story.

>spot on things are misinterpretations

An atheist is spiritually dead.

>Serendipity

It never ceases to amaze me the lengths to which fedoras will go to rationalize supernatural influence.

That's Two (2!) Ghostbusters references. Count 'em!

And it never ceases to amaze me how little edgy DOOS VULT christfags know about the very history they worship

Religionists are the most dishonest people of them all. Don't you ever get tired of lying to yourselves and others? I mean there has got to be a minute every night when you are alone and admit to yourself: yes, finally I can stop pretending, even if just for a minute; there is no God! Hallelujah let me take this weight off me even for just a moment, there's nobody watching and I can finally be TRUE to myself. You have got to have this moment otherwise how can you live with yourselves? One thing is to deceive others. Another to deceive one's self. Obey Jesus' commandment and let truth set you free. Stop being lying bastards just to feel good about yourselves.

So, I am spiritualy dead and still live a happy and fullfiling life? How can that be? Maybe there is no such thing as a soul then.

Christians worship Jesus Christ.

Heaven and Earth will pass away but His words will never pass away.

Maybe spiritually dead is just empty words and don't refer to any specific object or situation in real life.

live and let live

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It can be because you value the temporal over the eternal.

>words
Again words. Just empty words. Heaven, hell, passing away, not passing away... These mantras don't mean anything except for the conjurer who wishes to bring about a psychological state through repetition and magical reasoning.

And you know about the "eternal"
You are exactly the kind of narcissistic person is describing in his OP.

Ohm mani padme hum is another mantra, this one Buddhist. Maybe Christian are spiritually dead if they don't repeat this mantra? Actually none is and neither brings about any objective effect, only "spiritual" that is psychological and imagined and even that only to the person repeating them.

How many times have you given away all your possessions to the poor, like you're supposed to?

Jesus is the Word made flesh.

I know that it is more important than the temporal.

Stop lying christards. At least to yourselves. Don't you own yourselves that much?

clearly not his computer, he would rather fight with people on the internet than actually go out and help people like his savior requires him to.

>I know that it is more important than the temporal.

ok narcissist

Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me a sinner.

OP I agree with you fully.
Just try and chill. There are always going to be people with imaginary friends. Just try and ignore their bullshit.

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>not knowing that there are many spirits in our world, including old school gods and goddesses
>Solve Et Coagula

In my mind this all brings me back to the big bang theory. I think the most logical explanation to all of this is that time is not a human concept, but rather something we have discovered and measured. Because of this I also believe that the universe exists in cycles. That over an extremely long period of time all energy is collected and condensed until it explodes in into a new universe. There's no beginning and no end. It happens indefinitely over and over. Since energy can't be created or destroyed, it just continues to change form. Religion is comforting for many. Even with as much knowledge and experience as I have, it's difficult to paint a mental picture of infinity. Having such a short lifespan and such a large amount of questions often makes me feel small and helpless. Even as an atheist I see the appeal of religion.

I take that as "I never have, never will and just show myself to be a hypocrite who doesn't follow the very rules I demand others must follow".

Then I have another question for you: why should I follow rules you don't follow? Doesn't your inaction speak louder than libraries of religious teachings?

Most christians are shitty people just like how most atheists are shitty people.
A handful of people from each group have healthy spiritualities but are maligned by the insufferable yet most vocal that take on these "holier than thou" attitudes.

You are right, and for the most part I just roll my eyes and move along. I'm tired of all the religious proselytization interring with historical discussion.

Imagine if you were sitting in a University World History seminar, and every ten minutes someone interrupts with religious banter... it would be terrible.

But you are right, for the most part I do ignore it. I'm not someone who is nutty and actively attacks religion 24/7. I just want to have somewhat decent historical conversations.

>We live in 1 galaxy of TRILLIONS of galaxies, with each galaxy containing BILLIONS of stars, which each Galaxies containing TRILLIONS AND TRILLIONS of planets, and you are going to sit there and tell me, in the most anthropocentric way possible, that YOU know what did ALL that? Furthermore, you have a personal relationship with it?
>How is this not ego? not narcissism? not power tripping? not the most un-humble ethos a human being can carry in life?
>We are factually 1 spec, of 1 spec, of 1 spec of dust in the cosmos, but YOU personally know the acclaimed thing/person/God who made all that.
Appeal to humility.
How quaint.

That's besides the point that just because something is small, it's not necessarily unimportant.

Your point is somewhat good, but your logic is shot.

Jesus teaches us that following rules cannot provide salvation.

Only faith in God's mercy through belief in the death and resurrection of His Son can do that.

>Needs religion to have moral values

So basically the reason you're "good" is you're afraid?

The fact that you have posted a pic with all of your posts just shows how you seek attention, it shows just how much of a narcissist you are.

>But why do you think so highly of science? What has it truly taught us?
It's taught me my place in the universe. Obviously you turn to religion for that and we're going to disagree but this knowledge means just as much to me as it does to you.

If I am "good" it is because Jesus loves me.

What a very convenient cop out. You can just claim you're a decent person without ever putting your money where your mouth is.

No wonder your religion is so popular. It allows you to be arrogant when you have no reason to be arrogant.

Anyway, you've demonstrated very neatly why I will never follow your religion. I hold on to a very simple rule of thumb: what you do is what you truly believe in, and you apparently believe in shitposting anonymously, and condemning people for not doing things you don't do either. If I'm going to hell, I'm afraid you'll be joining me

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I am not a decent person which is why I need Jesus.

oh look, a quote people answered in one form or another since the time of Origen.

Honestly I like the prostheletyzers because I invariably end up knowing more about Christianity than they do. They're not up for a theological debate; they're more interested in a conservative culture most of the time and just use Jesus as their bludgeon. Convo usually goes like this:

Evangelical: "have you accepted Jesus Christ as your Lord and savior?"

Me: "yup"

This surprises them.

Me: "but do you believe in the singular or dual nature of Christ?"

They never have an answer to that, but some will prompt you and try to reconcile what their individual beliefs are with the theological question. They usually favor a dualist interpretation, so I just say I'm Coptic and fuck off

Then begin with yourself before you start condemning others. Wasn't there something in that book of yours about stone throwing, and how that's not okay when you're no better than the people you condemn? I could've sworn it was in there somewhere

>so I just say I'm Coptic and fuck off
Genius.

If you were not, would he still love you?

If you acted in a "good" manner, as he did, would he still let you burn for ever in hell for not believing what seems to a 21st century man as fairy tales? What kind of love is this that require acknowledgement more than action? Is your god so narcissistic?

This confirms my intuition that all religious people are bad people.

In my country these days virtually all religious people are recovering drug addicts, alcoholics and criminals. I guess they had to find another addiction to replace their immoral ones.

In fairness it is better that you believe in magic rather than raping old ladies.

That's a VERY big assumption to make.
Science is just a tool, it's not owned by anyone, and naturally any data produced is always translated through the bias and ideas of both the scientist and the one go brings that knowledge and waters it down for the public.
""""Science"""" most definitely has an addenda because there are plenty of people out there who wish to use it for their own ends.

The big agenda today is to break down the old loyalties of the past (family, faith, tribe) in favor of loyalty to the State (not the nation) with statistics and data to support their end and disrupt others.

Also the universe being comparatively large means nothing unless you're easily swayed by arguments of power. For all we know space is a desolate empty wasteland, and all signs point to that (functionally at least for us) being the case.

>15 While Jesus was having dinner at Levi’s house, many tax collectors and sinners were eating with him and his disciples, for there were many who followed him. 16 When the teachers of the law who were Pharisees saw him eating with the sinners and tax collectors, they asked his disciples: “Why does he eat with tax collectors and sinners?”

>17 On hearing this, Jesus said to them, “It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners.

There is no faith of the gaps, only faith and that never changes.
Understanding creation only better helps us understand God

Pretty much this.
Religion is one of the instituitions that imputes society's values in induviduals. It's only being replaced by formal education, which is rational and way more productive.

Not to say it does not have it's place anymore, it does. What I am saying is that it can be replaced from an utilitarian point of view.

I'm only here to share good news of the slain and risen king.

Yes, He died for me even while I still rejected Him.

Jesus also says to fight for your freedom and faith
So the case of you being tortured doesn't really apply

Also typical ageist wank, the truth is too hard so they ignore it/invert the truth in order for them to slug along.

>proddies are literally Muslims and worship a collection of books

>The big agenda today is to break down the old loyalties of the past (family, faith, tribe) in favor of loyalty to the State (not the nation) with statistics and data to support their end and disrupt others.
The big agenda is to follow the logical conclusions your data brings you to and report on them. When I'm looking at data sets of gravitational measurements between galaxies I'm think about the gravitational measurements between galaxies. My ethnicity, religious views, moral views, etc. mean nothing. All I want to do is figure out what the data is telling me.

Sure there are isolated incidents of scientists falsifying data (mostly to get funding - not to purposefully delude the public) but the idea of
>muh science bogeyman
is fucking absurd.

>I'm only here to share good news of the slain and risen king.

Why don't you do all of us a favor and share it while serving soup to the homeless. That way, you'd actually be living your beliefs.

Or is there some "Christianity is all talk, no action" clause that was conveniently 'revealed' to some monk you haven't told me about yet?

>Origen
what, you mean the deranged mental gymnastics christians have peddled as solutions?

>atheists get so angry because deep down they feel that looming dread hiding in the corners of their psyche

> Religion is one of the instituitions that imputes society's values in induviduals. It's only being replaced by formal education, which is rational and way more productive.
What a ludicrous statement.
As if "formal education" is a modern secular concept, and our modern secular systems have proven themselves at inculcating moral values into people.

The youth of today shaped by your "productive" formal education, cannot even decide if a person is a man or a woman, short or tall, thin or fat, and you honestly believe modern secular education is qualified to teach people the nature of truth!
Hilarious!

I think the opposite
A world where nothing really matters, where everyone is just a fleshy robot with zero control over their own fate, it's a very comforting stance.
Better to think oneself a rock rolling with the wind than a man who has to make hard choices and be responsible for them.

Atheism is very laissez faire, humans are the only minds around and life is meaningless, it's a comforting lie to ignore the truth of power far beyond our possible comprehension.

The logical conclusion of our data is that human life holds no value and morality is meaningless. Are you sure you wish our species to continue down this path of materialist based ethics?

>they feel that looming dread hiding in the corners of their psyche
everyone feels that, its human nature

christians feel it too, so do hindus, and muslims....anyone who claims otherwise is lying

> Why don't you do all of us a favor and share it while serving soup to the homeless.
Why do you assume he doesn't?

>logical conclusions
More assumptions
There is ALWAYS interpretation and conclusions for one person can be different from another
Not to mention very few people in the sciences anymore are trained in the more philosophical or analytical side of things so their conclusions become even more one sided and focused

>Nature of truth

All I am saying is that it is not necessary for a society with good education, health, family support, etc to have religion in order to function properly. Those who feel the need of spiritual nourishment may choose to follow a religion, but it won't be necessary to form a good person.

>I feel dead inside so everyone else must as well

What is he doing on Veeky Forums then?

> All I am saying is that it is not necessary for a society with good education, health, family support, etc to have religion in order to function properly.
Where is your evidence of this claim?
Simply looking at modern society proves it wrong.
Are you going to go down the communist apologia road of handwaving away the failures of modern secular society with the statement "that's not a REAL society with good education, health, family support, no one's ever tried that before"?

Bringing the light of the Lord to the Godless.
Digital missionary work.

i dont feel dead inside, i just live with natural moments of dread and doubt, just like everybody does and everybody has forever

where do you think religion comes from, its an attempt to fill this void

>The logical conclusion of our data is that human life holds no value and morality is meaningless. Are you sure you wish our species to continue down this path of materialist based ethics?
Why does human life have to hold some special intrinsic value? Because it makes it easier to sleep at night is not a valid answer.

I also don't see the need for an existential foundation for morality. Christians tend to find the idea scary - to the point that I've seen the nessecity of an objective moral code posited as a reason that God has to exist - but I don't see it that way.

Doesn't mean I'm some amoral rapist/murderer who only wishes to do evil.

>There is ALWAYS interpretation and conclusions for one person can be different from another
>Not to mention very few people in the sciences anymore are trained in the more philosophical or analytical side of things so their conclusions become even more one sided and focused
What in the ever loving fuck are you basing any of this on? Take some fucking science classes if you want to talk about it in a meaningful way.

>inb4 fedora

It is fedora. You're smugly reiterating what everyone's heard a thousand times before like you're being insightful.
You're not.

I've said it before and I will say it again: if he truly believe in his religion, he'd be living it, not talking about it. Talk is cheap. Doing is what matters

My evidence is that secularity seems to have a significant correlation with having a high HDI.

You have an interesting religión. Can you tell me more about your beliefs?

Hey you, all your dopes arguing with clouds,
This discussion would be much better if you defined what the word "god" means to you.
This argument all to often devolves into "God is real" vs. "God is imaginary", while both parties are actually talking about two different this.

To me, god is an abstraction of goodness or love, potential a creator in a sense as well.

Btw, most christians and atheists are equally insufferably righteous and proselytizing, so all of you can go to hell and kiss these nits.

>To me, god is an abstraction of goodness or love, potential a creator in a sense as well.

Oh that's okay then, so long as you have defined 'god' with such clarity.

Well done, user!

HDI is communist mean of destroying the world.

Your morality was created centuries ago BY Christians. If they did not exist you would have a radically different morality, and if no religions existed there might not be morality at all.

Your atheist morality is just a Christian morality minus the belief in God.

> I also don't see the need for an existential foundation for morality.
>I'm a hypocrite who claims to live by logical conclusions drawn from observing the material world yet has no problem abandoning those logical conclusions when they cease to be convenient.

If your "morality" has no foundation what is the logical justification for it's existence? What does it stand on?

But something that comes from above (solar) always is better than what comes from below (cthonic). This is true for the races as it is true for religion/spirituality. Something that derives from the heavens will always be superior to a feminine religion that was birthed from the negroid or judaic souls.

Kek, great argument buddy