What is really the heart of a culture? Is it language? Religion? Political ideology? Genetics?
In my opinion, it's language. Nothing better captures what a people really are and what they come from than how they speak. You can't claim to be Latin without speaking a romance language. You can't claim to be Germanic without speaking a Germanic language. Even groups as politically divided as say Slavs and Koreans can all still be seen as Slavic and Korean by their languages.
I'm from Ohio, and everyone around me calls it "pop" like in the fifties, whilst I say "soda".
Benjamin Hall
Sure, but still a people. My only point was to point out the flaw in putting language as the center.
I put people themselves as the center, and then I ask them what makes them a people. Everyone's different.
Easton Foster
One could say this is evidence that you (and I, I say soda rather that the traditional "coke" here) are becoming less Ohioan (and Texan) and more like the northeast/west coast.
Angel Sanders
Are there any examples of two or more cultures that would be considered a single culture if they didn't speak different languages?
Oliver Cox
I suppose I'd be more inclined to follow northeast speaking conventions, but I'm not what you'd call a northeastaboo.
Jaxson Thompson
There will always be the exception, but even then, we can see that Jews have their native language, Hebrew, and we can tell from there that they're a Afro-Asiatic and so can see what peoples they are related to. We can also see what Jews should be most means be regarded as they are locally. Like many of the Jewish communities that fully assimilated into their host lands.
Owen Gomez
>Even groups as politically divided as say Slavs and Koreans can all still be seen as Slavic and Korean by their languages. 'Slavic' is not a real cultural group, or at least it hasn't been for the last thousand years or more. Individual languages are one thing, but using language families to define cultures is just 19th century garbage, usually made up by some group as a way to 'claim' other groups. Same shit with Pan-Turkism.
There is no single way to define all cultures in some unified framework; they're all different and simplifying it into a single factor while ignoring everything else just breeds bullshit.
The Irish and Jamaicans aren't English, Azeris aren't Turks, Mexicans aren't Spanish, etc.
Aiden Hughes
Anglo-Saxons weren't fans if the Normans. That didn't stop 1066 and the French influence on Anglo culture.
Adrian Rodriguez
Fair point.
Jonathan Kelly
Ethos. The founding idea/myth and the underlying spirit of a nation that is built upon it. Look at a map and ask yourself about each nation: what really keeps them going spiritually? For Germans it is discipline. For Froggies it is the appreciation of culture. For Britbongs it is being the scum of this earth. So on and so forth.
Jason Morales
maternal tradition is more important than language.
Observe immigrants, blacks, and literally anyone who is different than you for this one. See how their mores reflect their mother's.
Cameron Cruz
I'm not exactly sure what you're asking but Czechs and Slovaks speak a language that is more or less mutually intelligible (at least in their standardized dialects) and share many customs, belonged to the same nation for the majority of the 20th century yet they are considered distinct peoples. One point of interest is that while historically both groups were majority Roman Catholic, the Czechs have become majority atheist/non-religious and the Slovaks have had something of a revival in Roman Catholicism.
That's still just an accidental property of each group, however. I'd say what distinguishes different groups of people is not necessarily language, religion, ethnicity or nationality. It's something much simpler than that: a shared sense of identity.
Jaxon Watson
While I agree that language is both reflective of cultural experience, and the method by which people from thoughts and decisions, language isn't everything. Language certainly means more than anything genetic, but it also matters where you're raised and what your personal experiences are.
Jaxon Foster
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Jordan Kelly
>The Irish and Jamaicans aren't English, Azeris aren't Turks, Mexicans aren't Spanish, etc. Many would call these "Anglo", "Turkic", "Hispanic" especially. You could certainly say they have, sadly, become less of what they originally were; Celtic, Amerindian (specifically Uto-Aztecan) and TaĆno. For the Jamaicans, the natives are all but gone and they speak a Creole language with African Bantu influences, the Bantu that they came from.
Benjamin Reed
>implying i will ever get real answers on /int/ rude m8
Blake Robinson
This is like asking what keeps humans alive. Is it their heart? Lungs? Brain? Food? Water?
In the end they all contribute, just because one is the most noticable doesn't mean it's the only denominator.
Blake Ortiz
to be fair we can confirm that the brain is what regulates the rest of the body. something similar can be said about cultural things, language in my opinion being one of them.