/sffg/ - Science Fiction and Fantasy

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

SFFG

FANTASY
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SCIENCE FICTION
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NPR's Top 100 Science Fiction & Fantasy Books:
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SF&F author listing with ratings and summaries:
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Previous Threads:
veekyforums.com/thread/10890201/literature
veekyforums.com/thread/10872713/literature
veekyforums.com/thread/10862403/literature
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uncannymagazine.com/article/seasons-glass-iron/
veekyforums.com/thread/10890201/literature

askme
askme

What's the consensus on this?

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MPmaster
MPmaster

No Audiobooks.

girlDog
girlDog

What are your favourite books, sffg?

idontknow
idontknow

Probably last thread before deadline, get hype.

Downloads: b-ok.org/s/?q=Childhood's End

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SniperGod
SniperGod

library at mount char

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

Is the Fifth Season actually good?

Some things about it sound really interesting but others sound like Hugo bait (not that I fully align with the Sad or Rabid Puppies), but have you read the Short story 2017 winner!

uncannymagazine.com/article/seasons-glass-iron/

Its awful.

takes2long
takes2long

Sanderfriend a best

idontknow
idontknow

"The glass throne cracks. There is a sound like hard rain, a roar of whispers as the glass hill shivers into sand. It swallows fur and shoes; it swallows Amira and Tabitha together; it settles into a dome–shaped dune with a final hiss.

Hands still clasped, Amira and Tabitha tumble out of it together, coughing, laughing, shaking sand from their hair and skin. They stand, and wait, and no golden apple appears to part their hands from each other.

“Where should we go?” whispers one to the other.

“Away,” she replies, and holding on to each other, they stumble into the spring, the wide world rising to meet them with the dawn."

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SniperWish
SniperWish

Mediocre, reads like a gay Sanderson.

Inmate
Inmate

webnovels are novels too

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

Xanxia pill collecting shit.

But with fun prose and and MC who isnt a soulless killing machine like in most chink power fiction.

iluvmen
iluvmen

The arm of the Sphinx audiobook is available from my usual supplier. Sequel to the wonderful Senlin Ascends. Nice. Looking forward to reading it.

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DeathDog
DeathDog

veekyforums.com/thread/10890201/literature
The Demon Princes

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cum2soon
cum2soon

11 fucking years

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RumChicken
RumChicken

it's not even in the top 100 fantasy books

Inmate
Inmate

absolute masterpiece

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ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

And 7 more years till trump is out of Office so he can continue writing his next book

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

I just finished The Demon Cycle and The Black Prism, what should I read next?

idontknow
idontknow

any non-bad epic fantasy recs? just finished the first powder mage book and it blew

WebTool
WebTool

What have you read in the past? The two I mentioned in the post above yours are good as well as anything by David Eddings or Brandon Sanderson.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

im almost finished. its really fucking good.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

Clarke is a kiddie diddler. Read Azimov if you want quality '40s and '50s scifi.

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

favorites are thomas covenant, earthsea, and the worm ouroboros

recently i've been reading first books in series to scope them out and haven't liked them much: stormlight, song of ice and fire, wheel of time dagger and coin, and now powder mage. maybe i just don't like modern fantasy, but they're not clicking. was thinking of doing memory, sorrow & thorn but it looks sort of generic

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

Stormlight is fantastic, but you have to suffer for the first half of the first book. RR Martin sucks, it's a book about a show. Wheel of time is tedious, I read the first few books, which were good but had to read unpleasant ones for closure. Don't know about powder mage, but I for the most part enjoyed everything else you posted, so I might check it out. Have you read the Belgariad and Mallorean? 10 books, a day a piece really, but a cute and fun story.

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

Time to get busy.

Techpill
Techpill

This is my first time posting on lit, but I've been scifi for many years. Arthur C. Clarke is pretty weak. Heinlein and Azimov win every time against him.

Supergrass
Supergrass

reading asimov over clarke

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Ignoramus
Ignoramus

This, this is my favorite revenge story of all time. The concepts in it are vivid and fantastic, Jack Vance is a master of world building, and it just honestly has a great setup for each book where he takes down the Demon Prince using their unique weaknesses.

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

What is protocol after we've read it? I read it last week and can't remember any of my better discussion points. I'm gonna look up some trannys now.

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Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

Blindsight, which I just finished re-reading for the nth time
Bloody good book. As much as Echopraxia has been knawing itself into my heart through it's vague ending, Blindsight is a lot more concise and arguably a much better reading experience.

farquit
farquit

wow man these autistic vampires in space are soooo cool

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

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Burnblaze
Burnblaze

Yeah, I need to die and come back as less of a brainlet because some of those themes went way over my head. I'm not sure if it was so much my understanding of the subjects referenced or the subtleties getting buried in his writing style. I still have been turning them over in my head all this time.

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Spazyfool
Spazyfool

The Wizard Knight

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

Just finished reading KJ Parker's Shadow trilogy and Fencer Trilogy.

It was good and interesting to read, really liked the prose, and now I want to work on a farm.

Depressed after all the "bad ending" though. Recommend me something a little happier, fantasy w/ hero gets the girl in the end or something.

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

The stars my destination.
The moon is a harsh mistress.
Hyperion
a canticle for leibowitz
Come to mind.
Any other sci fi that deals with religion, instead of compleatly disregarding it ?

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

The Sparrow

likme
likme

demon cycle
How did you manage to refrain from putting s bullet between your teeth?

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

Echopraxia

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Emberburn
Emberburn

Do i continue past fall of hyperion? People are saying that it's different but not horrible but i've read that it "answers all the questions" and I do believe that poetic nature of first two books does mask a lot of possible inconsistencies. So basically a)are remaining two books good enough on their own and b)won't they retrospectively ruin some of the more interesting parts of hyperions?

Firespawn
Firespawn

Blindsight

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

What do you guys think of the Themis Files series? I read Sleeping Giants recently on a whim and was drawn in by the concept despite some shallow characters.

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Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

I usually try to come up with a couple of somewhat interesting questions and then we discuss the book and nominate new ones.

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

pros: It has based De Soya who is a fucking amazing character. Worldbuilding is also top notch, Mare Infinitus is one of the comfiest and most scenic places in scifi. The Archangel class ships are fucking awesome and high concept.
cons: De Soya is a fantastic character stuck in a shit fanfic tier plot who gets sidelined. The new original characters Raul and Aenea are shit tier and it's like Simmons is jacking off to the idea of his new OCs having a tour of the world, meeting his older characters and retrospectively shitting it up with cheesy all your powers combined trope and nothing is scary anymore. Plus two of his characters is out of character as a fuck which ruins the mood quite a bit. Aenea is the stock animu messiah loli type, the plot unfolds as expected.

Good compared to other books by other authors, but Simmons should be ashamed of how much retarded characterwank he shoved into those two atrocious characters. That hack Simmons turned the fucking Shrike into a taxi, jesus on a pogostick

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I'm currently finishing up Emerald Eyes by Daniel Keys Moran. It's very enjoyable in a weirdly pseudo-pulpy way because there are a huge amount of scifantastical things that happen, even though the centre of the story is around telepaths, a staple of scifi (I'm looking at you, Gundam, Star Wars, Foundation, Hyperion ... and a fuggtonne of other stories). Lots of things happen. I think it could have used more description, like PKD's stuff the page count is ridiculously tiny.

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Gigastrength
Gigastrength

*are

cum2soon
cum2soon

I just finished first law triology. Is it as bad as I think it is?

w8t4u
w8t4u

you're the one who just finished it, negro

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

Anything. If you like trash like Brent weeks, literally anything will entertain you.

5mileys
5mileys

It has shallow characters, but its an easy read. I call it a toilet book cos you can easily get through it whilst taking a shit.

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

Most agree that it is, yes.

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

It's certainly a book which rewards re-reading.
I feel Watt's core strengths and weaknesses as an author overlap; he's a scientist. This gives him an expert mastery of visualising his future on an accute micro- to macro- scale in the context of engaging hard sci-fi, but equally retarding his ability to construct a narrative or cast to match his ideas.
By no means does Blindsight fall flat in these areas, but it's sad the novel's 10/10 substance are let down but7/10 style, though I would argue the lesser publisher involvement in Echopraxia is obvious by how that novel seems to be 12/10 for substance (in a bad way) and a mere 5/10 for style.

Irregardless, I would really like to take us all back a few months and shamelessly shill the fuck out of Blindsight. Any contempory scif-i fan, even if you don't enjoy the intricacies of harder sci-fi, should recognise this is required reading for the alien invasion genre. Even one small chapter of Blindsight has more riviting ideas packed into it than most novels manage in their entire length. A fucking tour de force indeed.

If you want a novel which manages to the reverse of Echopraxia, with a whopping 13/10 for style but mediocre 5/10 for substances, I suggest you read Too Like the Lightning, a novel so far but its own arse that it's actually incredibly enjoyable.

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CodeBuns
CodeBuns

Does anyone know where to find the latest Undying Mercenaries book, Dark World? Having a hard time finding it.

massdebater
massdebater

What didn't you like?
It's only good for some of the action and characterization.

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

Is Hyperion any good?

Entry level pleb here

TechHater
TechHater

better question, should I use the flowchart instead?

eGremlin
eGremlin

Vin Venture is not dead

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

Roothfuss is a really unlikable person and I hope people forget about this fag. His Goodreads account is beyond obnoxious.

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

Hyperion is great. Fall of Hyperion is pretty bad. Skip the later 2 volumes of the series.

Emberfire
Emberfire

Any examples of Rothfuss being unlikable? Love that sort of stuff

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

Fall of Hyperion is pretty bad
Citation need, it's tonally different but wraps up the rather open ending of Hyperion well.

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

Read the The Wise Man's Fear

StonedTime
StonedTime

It's not that they're only tonally different. I couldn't care less about android fucking Keats. He's just a crappy device reeking of pretentiousness that allows Simmons to advance the plot and explore his boring universe.
There was more emotion in any narrative of the first book than in the entire shallow inner struggle of Sterne.

happy_sad
happy_sad

can sfgf explain this book to me?

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Need_TLC
Need_TLC

wraps up the rather open ending of Hyperion well

That's the problem

farquit
farquit

Any fantasy set in a Greek or Persian like world?

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

It's on mobilism.

TreeEater
TreeEater

Philip K Dick didn't even like this book, neither Harlan Ellison. That's enough to put me off.

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

android fucking Keats
Hmm that actually summarises my point rather well. Hyperion was a collection of varied short stories, each deeply personal to each character. Fall kind of substitutes that for one bland narrator, android fucking Keats, who tells a much more formulaic space opera story. I enjoyed both equally, but I can see why the shirt was jarring

I suppose if Fall of Hyperion was never written I could have walked away from Hyperion a little confused but satisfied, but I loved so many elements introduced in Fall that I can't help but love it. Ummon + the AIs, the war, all the shit at the end when all the planets get fucked

Ultimately I guess Hyperion alone would be a bit more Veeky Forums, but I enjoyed the cliche bombastics of Fall.

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FastChef
FastChef

Latro in the Mist.

Soft_member
Soft_member

Right, made a pretty crappy Dick chart.
If anyone's got suggestions go ahead, I've only included shit I've read so it's not that extensive but there you are.

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Supergrass
Supergrass

Explicit obvious physical, mental, genetic, behavioral differences between races
Still pushes the "wow don't be a bigot" marxist trash
Bad guys are religious nazi's

Contemporary fantasy is fucking atrocious

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

Ubik is epic
More like ubik pls

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

Any fantasy set in a Greek or Persian like world not written by Gene Wolfe?

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

Palmer and Watts are both actually good modern scifi authors, tho.

Emberburn
Emberburn

Watts' concepts are fascinating, but his prose is smarmy and irritating on a certain level. It's like I can feel how he thinks he's so damn smart.

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

The Thief is greek-ish but probably not what you're looking for.

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

Lion of Macedon and The Misplaced Legion

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Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

absolute masterpiece
can't even finish his debut book series after writing only 2 books
I actually enjoyed the first book a lot. If the second one had a problem it's that it didn't accomplish nearly as much as it could have. And then he just refuses to write anything else like he's in some kind of game of writer's chicken with GRRM.

viagrandad
viagrandad

It's a sad day when all of E William Brown's audiobooks sold more than Will Wight, and that is why will doesn't put out audiobooks anymore.

takes2long
takes2long

i am reading all of greg egan now, his first two books were interesting if you ignore his leaps of faith in world building and expanding his idea from science into fantasy.

massdebater
massdebater

Furies of Calderon

Playboyize
Playboyize

I've read Ubiq, VALIS, and DADoES, watched A Scanner Darkly. I'm actually reading The Three Stigmata of Palmer Eldritch right now and have four other PKD books in my backlog for afterward. I am excited for my wild ride of my boy PKD and his psychedelic adventures.
This post doesn't answer your theoretical question but this is now my blog and you'll have to DEAL WITH IT mister!!!

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GoogleCat
GoogleCat

I'm reading through his short story collections right now, they're pretty good.

viagrandad
viagrandad

Just finished the first book.. I like it. I keep finding myself looking forward to the shenanigens of dogman, threetrees, black dow, and tul.

SniperWish
SniperWish

So who is best girl, Mimara or Serwa?

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

Can someone send me a link to the Veeky Forums Discord server?

Nojokur
Nojokur

Shit, didn’t mean to reply to

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

harem story turns into cuckoldry and homosexuality

welp

Methshot
Methshot

I mean really what did you expect, willingly stepping on poop like that.

Methnerd
Methnerd

want to buy the six Dune books in hardcover
so my best bet are the Ace hardcovers published in 2008-2009 but I can only find the first book online. The rest are available by chance off ebay or some used book seller, and I don't want to be stuck waiting for one missing book to be available. I don't want the Turtleback school binding set since it's tiny as fuck in comparison.

What gives? I'd have thought the more popular SF books would be easy to find in hardcover. Am I just meant to get a papercover nowadays and rebind it myself when the cover/spine eventually wears out?

RumChicken
RumChicken

If the second one had a problem it's that it didn't accomplish nearly as much as it could have.
i will never not be disappointed after having to read through a snorefest of a fae orgy followed by a fucking training arc. I came into the series in love with the magic school/university shenanigans so I was really disappointed by the 2nd book.

girlDog
girlDog

Over halfway through Superluminary by John C. Wright and it's the most sciency sci-fi I've read so far. Really enjoying it though. Space Opera on a HUGE scale (instead of battleships in space you get battleplanets and battleSUNS). It also works as a fantasy since the protags use that super science to basically be Greek gods. The dialogue can feel a bit cheesy at times, but it fits within the context of the story.

likme
likme

space opera
sciency

okay.

Space Opera on a HUGE scale (instead of battleships in space you get battleplanets and battleSUNS).

the Lensman series will blow your mind.

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CouchChiller
CouchChiller

the Lensman series will blow your mind.
I have that on my list to read, but Superluminary has been described like Lensman on a bigger scale.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

Yea cuz people are building giant ocean going cities for combat now huh? Oh irght there are fucking physical reasons about how well things scale

MPmaster
MPmaster

What are you sperging on about?

Soft_member
Soft_member

battleplanets ??? What happens when they fucking drop an anti-matter bomb right up your ass??

likme
likme

Read the book and find out, goober.

Snarelure
Snarelure

The Excangeneis

5mileys
5mileys

(Women were forbidden from service, unless they had their neurochemistry altered to force their brains to operate like the brains of males.)
Based,

Methshot
Methshot

Nazis have been some of the most popular antagonists the last 80 years, it's hardly a contemporary thing bro.

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

Dune you silly goose

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

Endymion is those obnoxious Keats chapters expanded to novel length. If you read past FoH you're masochistic or enjoy wallowing in pigshit.

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

Second Variety
Minority Report
Man in the High Castle
Palmer Eldritch
Valis

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

And fucking goofy. What was the point of the fucking vampire in Blindsight? Why use such a silly idea in an otherwise good hard scifi book?

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

Anyone read The Toymakers

I want to check it out but it doesn't seem to be available on kindle so I want to make sure it's good before I buy it

Skullbone
Skullbone

all beings are equally entitled to life fuckface

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

hurr durr

TreeEater
TreeEater

LotR, Black Company, Myth series by Robert Asprin.

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

book of the new sun

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

Lol

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

They're excellent but in markedly different ways. AKA I want them to fucking combine their skills into one mega-book

It's silly but it actually ties into the message at the end. that we humans evolved by mistake and the 'vampires' are going to inherit the Earth.

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

Is Blindsight Twilight fanfic?

Methshot
Methshot

is there any dieselpunk or fantasy/scifi early 20th century that doesn't feel like fanfiction or "Le evil Nazi's have le super technology!!!"

The era is so aesthetic and I can barely find anything worth reading

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

in a reddit ama he said hus fans are assholes because they rather want the book than to donate money to his charity. Someone also asked about the status on book 3 and he said he should look on the internet for this information

girlDog
girlDog

what do you guys use to read ebooks? I have a Kobo and one my friends has an Amazon, and on either one you have to create and login to an account.

I just want a nice ereader where I can drop in ebooks without some weird account/update nonsense. Should I just get a new Kobo (I want a nicer one) and install koreader?

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

This is now a PKD thread.

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BinaryMan
BinaryMan

That's because Watts is Bio hardscifi and Palmer is Humanities scifi.

Reynolds x Palmer or Watts x Palmer would result in the coolest books.

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

It's basically the complete opposite end of the vampire spectrum to Twilight, but I cede yes it includes vampires and this makes the book very hard to shill irl

I aggressively agree.

Flameblow
Flameblow

I have read dune (only 1) I liked it kind of slow but not bad as I have herd from some of my friends. It has some pacing issues imo.
But im gona check the other suggestions.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

Wheel of Time's last book was the most long winded version of "they win" I've ever read.

I'm so glad that's over. I really need to reconsider my tendency to always finish reading whatever I start.

Yes, I know there's a prequel novel. No, I don't care.

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