Marxism

>what went wrong?
Marx

Why were those governments inefficient?

You should see /r/anarchism

There are flairs for queersexual people, as if that's relevant

>human are not motivated by altruism
>human are motivated by greed

I'm not a marxist, but what about kin selection (sacrificing your 'fitness' for you're relatives), this seems to be a similar mechanism (or even the exact same one) that is used in 'my tribe vs your tribe' mentalities, and can be seen to shift in scale quite easily (see hitler). Is everything necessarily a zero sum game?

Because you can't manage an economy of 200 million people ffs

Strawmanning communism like this would win you some lengthy applause from a pro-Trump crowd but don't expect it to work on anyone with a functioning mind. It isn't about turning men into angles, it's about building a social structure from the bottom-up rather than the top-down.

>muh human nature

This shouldn't surprise you. The dominant ideology of any society always brainwashes people into applying mysticism to legitimize the existing economic structure. The old excuse was because god just made things that way, now they've mostly discarded that in favor of nature.

How does China/India/USA does it then?

Everything

Liberal economics aka capitalism :^)

China is communist.

They're state capitalist

Bait.

They are authoritarian, but they have corporations

They're not even that. USSR was state capitalist, where the state controlled all the means of production. China flat out has companies like Nike and Apple paying low taxes and employing millions of workers. That is just capitalism.

is this what americans actually believe?

When your the focal point of counter thought in a culture, you tend to get lots of fags and undesirables

All the A-listers are off being rockstars, jiving well with whatever sociopolitical system they find themselves in. It's the disenfranchised degenerates that are drawn to counter culture shit, which happened to be Marxism.

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They still have a lot of state controlled or owned corporations

I did it all for the (You)s.

So does the US or Germany.

>muh gramsci
We're on a history board. History should tell you that war is the only constant.

Human altruism is a proven meme and doesn't exist. You want to help the poor so you can pat yourself on the back. People go to anti-Trump rallies so they can show all their facebook friends that they're standing up against the big bad fascist boogeyman. So they can tell stories in their critical analysis class about their lived experience of standing up to hate and getting beat up by hundreds of confederate flag waving nazi rednecks. It makes you feel good. That's not altruism.

>it's about building a social structure from the bottom-up rather than the top-down.
Marx and Engels were bourgeois as fuck, as are almost every other theorist they influenced. That's not bottom-up. There's just something about being an upper-class, ivory tower intelligentsia chucklefuck that makes people think they know what's best for the proles. There was a very similar sense of blind righteousness behind the Christianization of the savages.

I see you hate Trump because he's a vulgar, obscenely rich guy. Unlike, for example, Friedrich Engels.

>Marx
>upper class

Wew

I'm not even a commie or anything, but wew

>I'm not even a commie
You might as well be.

Not him but Marx was pretty much a NEET funded by the wealthy industrialist's son, Engels.

And yes I mean NEET, because his "journalism" is pretty much the 19th century equivalent of shitposting on Veeky Forums.

What? You were wrong, so I called you out on it

how

He's right. Marx was bourgeois not in the Marxist sense, but in the original meaning of the word. The kind of bourgeois de Maistre raved against, that pretty much describes Marx to the T.

This

It's why the only people who care about it any more are edgy teenagers

Bourgeois just meant city person.

I mean in the Ancien regime vocabulary. Urban non-noble middle or upper class.

Corruption is always inevitable, would you rather it be relegated mostly to corporations, or you rather it concentrated in government with even more power?

Why do you think communism has always failed? Or are you one of those 'i-i-it just w-wasnt done right!' retards?

Have any Veeky Forums anons made any manifestos here?

The downfall of political Marxism due to the literary failure of the USSR caused the Marxist cause to primarily exist as counterculture

So are you saying evolutionary psychology is mysticism?

Kek

You really are a fucking idiot.

*tips beret*

m'comrade

How is that not relevant? Anarchists want to end all hierarchy and oppression, sexual or material

Nope, they haven't been remotely socialist since the 70s. Modern day China is basically the Chinese Empire

Well shit, how do I claim the mandate of heaven then?

>Anarchists want to end all hierarchy and oppression, sexual or material
Those aren't anarchists, they're retards.

>he doese not know that the chinese always have worked like that since thousands of years ago

>implying your not brainwashed by the ideology of communism
>implying communism isn't just part of the existing ideology

>implying communism isn't just part of the existing ideology
What isn't?

So why every time someone provides evidence of communism's inevitable failure, the response is "muh ideology"?

Wait for a big fuck up from the government's side.
Acquire buttbuddy generals
launch uprising.
???
Live in Forbidden City.

Every day we are eating from the trash.

My theory is that he was just a troll trying to fuck with humanity's head because he couldn't get in that trim he wanted ever so badly. Now the free-world will hang, slowly and painfully.

Best move now is to fuck/jerk as much as you can, get high and experience/learn things. There is no turning back now.

Elliot Rodger

and don't have kids yo

I remember dozens of people scouring the /r9k/ archives for phrases he used and anything that could have been him. We didn't find anything.

And we know that gawker et all would have loved to run with that narrative, but they didn't. They claimed he was a PUA because he posted on puahate, jej.

>mfw when the board first started it was a bunch of neo-nazi holocaust denying cucks
>they were either ran out or educated properly
>mfw now it's a flood of communist LARPers who do nothing but shitpost /leftypol/ memes and claim victory at every term, shout "pol" when BTFO
>mfw now the entire board is a moderate anti-radical, just talk about history board
This is, quite good.

some people took it seriously

>>mfw now the entire board is a moderate anti-radical, just talk about history board
Actually it's like 30% /leftypol/, 20% /pol/, 50% people who actually want to talk about history

>People with different opinions from mine are communist or nazi scum

You missed the wannabe theologian phase that still hasn't wholly worn off.

You'd be surprised at the number of people from /a/.
People who are communist or Nazis are scum.
ITT the idiots who defend it to the death, use unsourced documents or graphs, and start shitposting le piggy piggy memes when they lose an argument.
I'm glad the whole
>VIKANGS
Shit is over.
Hopefully this Marxist memeory will end in a few weeks, maybe 3 months.

I'm fine with Voltaire posting, but I'm REALLY hoping we meme the finno-korean hyper war into existence.

That is my least favorite part. I wish this was just history not humanities too. I have a hard time arguing it doesn't belong, even though I dislike it.

Intelligent and average people realized communism is a system that fails over and over again.

Wow I'm sorry no one loves you

>History should tell you that war is the only constant.
… go read Ranke.

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"What went right" would be a better question. Seriously. Wherever there has been Marxism, there has also been war and starvation and social upheaval.

I liked that phase more than the current phase of dipshits posting scripture as though it were an argument. At least would-be theologians could stir some thought and respond to arguments in non-circular fashions.

we could try asking them nicely :3

Marxists are the absolute worst on this board. And I really mean worst.

>YOU CAN'T DISPROVE MARX, YOU ARE SCARED OF MARX!
>see, Marx was wrong, he says tha-
>NO !!! THAT'S NOT WHAT HE SAID, YOU'RE MAKING IT UP, TYPICAL UNSOPHISTICATED DUMBASS WHO'S NEVER READ MARX
>But it's a direct quote
>YOU DIDN'T UNDERSTAND IT PROPERLY !!! YOU ARE OBVIOUSLY TOO STUPID AND UNEDUCATED TO COMPREHEND IT, MARX IS THE SINGLE MOST INFLUENTIAL SOCIOLOGIST AND ECONOMIST IN HISTORY AND FOR A GOOD REASON
>So what do you think he was actually saying in that quote?
>DO I HAVE TO FEED YOU EVERYTHING? EDUCATE YOURSELF BY READING JOSCHKA KRUMPLEV'S "MODERN CHALLENGE OF APPLYING THE LABOR THEORY OF VALUE TO POSTBANANIAN ECONOMIES NORTH OF THE POLAR CIRCLE", VOLUME 6, PAGE 2312
>This is retarded.
>HAHA THOUGHT SO YOU /POL/TARD CLASSKEK, GO GET GULAG'D PORKY *sniff*

When in the history of the world did asking nicely work out as planned?

>he doese not know that the chinese always have worked like that since thousands of years ago

If the Confucian scholars have read the Communist Manifesto, they would bash it as stupid crap. Confucians were all about social harmony of various sectors of society, not one class in charge of fucking everything.

>Feudalism
sounds good by me
Anarcho-monarchist btw, feudal society is my wet dream

>what actually happens under anarchy
>it's literally all some kind of government

HAHAHA OH WOW
They've encouraged conglomerates to compete since the fall of the USSR. They are state capitalist to a ridiculously perfect degree.

Apparently a magic machine that gives you infinite of anything you need doesn't exist. Does that answer your question?
>pic related was the most relevant meme I could find in my meme folder, sorry.

Capitalism is the private ownership of the means of production. The state represents the public not private ownership.

Identity politics

These guys get it.

Mistaking a representation for a social relation is precisely the reification of idealism which comes from alienation

Where in the 40+ volumes of his work does he make an argument for communism based on humans being motivated by altruism?

Any
Moment
Now

Marx's emiseration is generally relative not absolute emiseration, mate.