If the Ottomans took Vienna, it would have forced them into a war with the Germans, since they had to reclaim the capital of the Unholy Barbarian Confederation. Eventually the French would've stepped in so save the Germans, leaving both Germany and Ottoman Hungary weak and ripe for picking.
Saving Vienna seems like a retard move in retrospect.
Not only they got betrayed by their fellow catholic brothers, but also partitioned by the ones they saved.
>inb4 TWASN'T JUST POLAND xdXDDD German troops died like flies, Sobieski took charge quiete literally and commanded to victory. German troops stopped fighting to just see the Polish charge on Ottomans.
Parker Rogers
>Before Vienna: Poland at the zenith of it's power Also to add more, not really.
1683 was after Swedish Deluge and Cossack uprisings, so it was pretty crashed at this moment. Charge in Vienna was the last show of power by Polish state.
Also, there will be shitton of Prussiapros, germanboos in this thread any second.
Nicholas Ward
The French would not help the Austrians. Actually, they helped the Turks by moving their troops to the frontier, forcing the Austrians to divide their forces and to not have the help of some western members of the Empire that had to be guard against the French.
The French would not have defeated the Turks, if the Turks managed to conquer Vienna.
John Sullivan
>The French would not have defeated the Turks, if the Turks managed to conquer Vienna.
The French would have been forced to fight the Turks, when the Turks were at their border.
Cooper Walker
Indeed, the earliest mistakes was the problem of Ukraine and Cossacks. All they had to do was to give Ukrainians, Ruthenians, Cossacks, Lithuanians, and Poles the same status in the country, which would prevent this conflict.
That and if King Zygmunt Waza would allow his son, Władysław, become orthodox and the Tzar, instead of being ultra Catholic and wanting Moscow for himself, Russia would not even rise again in the first place.
Dominic Ward
>Charge in Vienna was the last show of power by Polish state.
I think this alone is enough reason as to why Vienna wasn't a mistake for the Polish. 1683 gave us arguably the greatest cavalry charge in all of history. Seriously, what happened that day is almost some straight-up Rohan shit.
Jackson Scott
If the Turks managed to go as far as France's border. France would be screwed.
Aaron Johnson
>The eternal frog strikes again
Owen Nelson
Nobody can predict that, but France still had a huge army, and would easily get support from Italy and what remained of Germany.
I think it would've been a huge fight, but the Turks would have lost, and Poland would pick the remains.
David Collins
If the Turks conquered everything between then and France, there would be nothing France could do. They could get Italians, Polish, English, Spain and even America on their side. If the Ottomans conquered Central Europe, they would be "Roman Empire in the era of Hadrian" strong.
Juan Rivera
>The French would not have defeated the Turks, if the Turks managed to conquer Vienna.
The Turks didn't have the logistical capacity to continue their campaign, had they conquered Vienna. They most likely would have retreated back into Hungary, since lower Austria had been looted completely and couldn't support their army over the winter.
Vienna would have suffered major damage, but in the end nothing really would have changed.
Grayson Hill
Don't know, maybe they'd get partioned by the Ottomans, Prussia and Russia instead. Or just attacked by the Ottomans. Back then, it wasn't a bad decision as Sobieski recieved payments from the HRE and the pope and also got his debts covered from the last Polish war against Sweden. The Ottomans were also a threat against Poland so it was an opportunity to weaken an opponent.
>>inb4 TWASN'T JUST POLAND xdXDDD >German troops died like flies, Sobieski took charge quiete literally and commanded to victory. >German troops stopped fighting to just see the Polish charge on Ottomans.
Nice shitpost.
Blake Johnson
>Nice shitpost. Can't accept the truth?
John Diaz
>The Ottomans were also a threat Not really.
All treaties between Poland and Ottomans were always respected.
Parker Cruz
Well, they had just waged war against Poland. What would stop them to do it again if the opportunity arises?
I see you can't back up your dumb claims.
Justin Green
Poland being founded was the greatest mistake in Polish history.
Luke Wright
t. BRUSSIAPRO XD
Jaxson Watson
>What would stop them to do it again if the opportunity arises? Poland stops caring about catholic bullshit and shows a middle finger to pope.
Jason Allen
>I think this alone is enough reason as to why Vienna wasn't a mistake for the Polish. 1683 gave us arguably the greatest cavalry charge in all of history. Seriously, what happened that day is almost some straight-up Rohan shit. Can anybody elaborate?
Christian Carter
>Can anybody elaborate? What's there to say. That's a stupid argument. Who cares about some one time event when your country gets ripped apart and centuries later some idiots claim your cities weren't yours at all.
Mason Hill
>the one time in history Poles participated in something important >WE SAVED EUROPE
How can anybody, leave alone a whole nation, be so fucking pathetic.
Also:
>Under the treaty Poland: ceded territory of Podolian Voivodeship to the Ottomans agreed to pay a yearly tribute of 22,000 Thaler ceded territory of Bratslav Voivodeship and southern Kiev Voivodeship to the Cossack Hetmanate (Ottoman Ukraine)
I know this board despises Poland and Polish for some reason(that being a lot of /pol/acks and other animals) but you must be seriously desperate to form posts like you did here
Juan Perez
At least I'm not Polish. And now pay your Thalers to the Sultan. Or ELSE!
Isaiah Rogers
Or else what? They will get rekt once again?
Daniel Rogers
>People itt actually believe that Vienna saved Europe and not just Austria It was only possible between 400-800 AD that a non-European Power could conquer Europe
Aiden Flores
>the Sejm never ratified the treaty. In 1676 it was revised with the Treaty of Żurawno