Which historical society would appreciate the Modern West most?

So instead of being runby a mob of normal people we gets run by a mob of upper clas people who thinks they can play around with normal people as theydeem fit?

Romans easily. The US more closely resembles ancient Rome than it does ancient Greece.

The Achaemenid Empire.

>ayo is you tellin me pederasty is illegal

The senate even has Roman symbolism in it. I guess a Roman senator would feel right at home.

According to spengler, ancient Egyptians.

>modern west

The ancients would commit suicide the moment they step foot into this society.

They were all vastly more degenerate than we are

HAHAHAH what?

The only thing the aztecs would have been upset about is we dont collect skulls anymore

And presidents (dictator) rise to some weird godhead

I think the vast majority would appreciate us for the remarkable technology we have, and some would even worship us as gods

The stuff in that pic is definitely as bad as legal pedophilia and public executions

P H I L O S O P H E R K I N G S
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spengler was quacky as fuck

explain

he had an interesting conception of history and its tie in to mathematics was ingenious, but his made up system of forced umbrellas groupings and cyclical periods for cultures falls apart with today's scholarship.
look no further than the "magian" civilization.

Not even remotely correct.

Pretty much everyone in the world even just 200 years ago were fucking savages compared to us today

lol Definitely not the Greeks.

Maybe the Etruscans, the greeks and romans wrote that the etruscans were a degenerate society where orgies and cuckoldry was commonplace, but it's possible that it was anti etruscan propaganda because the greco-romans hated them.

generally nobles are nobles due to being better
i mean it's how the position maintains itself

>implying they would even care compared to modern marvels of medicine, engineering, and infrastructure

They'd have heart attack when the saw an Iphone. Things now are better than they ever have been. You have so little to complain about when you think potheads and violent music is a big problem

Every society
We would be like gods to them

But it's directly opposed to them and other values and vices the ancient greeks had.

That's because you've been raised to believe that, the ancients OP is asking about would disagree with you.

The etruscans were also super fucking superstitious and religious, even more so than the romans.
Not sure how that would play out in today's secular west.

The notion of human rights.

Slavery being considered distasteful.

They liked their postal service, they would've liked the Internet.

They were pretty tolerant of other cultures.

Are you kidding me? We have a great system of xochiyaoyotl (lit. "Flower war") in which a desert with no value is the venue for the rest of the world's conflicts. Just like how they did it. The nobles of various altepetl would meet and agree to field a certain number of warriors at a certain time and place, and regional hegemony was established based on that. With drones and shit killing people who disrespect their women (nahua culture embraces the female form and says all should be able to drink in its beauty; you see aspects of this in machismo and Latina culture today) and watering the dusty tlaloc-forsaken dunes with their blood. And think of how happy they'd be with how we use corn for *everything*.

>we have le technology dat meen we smart and the anciens be dumb durrr
>it's le 2016 i mean come on hurrr
>we have le iphone magik, the ancient greeks wer soo stupid dey didn't eben hav iphone

>human rights
please elaborate

He's right. Modern Western society is the most upstanding society in the history of the world. Ancient folk were all smelly barbarians compared to us.

Sure we've got really fucking cool technology which would probably blow all these unthawed cryo-frozen ancients out of the water for a good decade or so, but what ancient people had the same kind of middle class hedonist-liberal values that the west generally has right now?

Right down to Trump being Ersatz Crassus for lack of a Ceasar.

do u think plato wud get iphone or galaxy?

That's a meaningless statement since the Achaemenid empire was formed by several cultures and societies.

It's really a nice blend of both. The federal government is a lot like Rome, but the concept of different states with their own rules and regulations is closer to the Greek city-states.

Not him, but the Cyrus cilinder is considered by some to be some form of proto-human rights.

>but what ancient people had the same kind of middle class hedonist-liberal values that the west generally has right now?
Probably the roman empire in it's years of decay, before the great migrations hit the final nail in it's coffin. Sort of like it's happening now.

Cyrprus wrote the oldest charter of human rights.

Like our global society. Even "western society" has a great deal of variety within.

And I should've clarified I meant the Persians themselves, not necessarily the people they bossed over.

>liberal values
>degenerate
Literally the opposite is true, and modern society isn't nearly as hedonistic as the past. The only """degenerate""" aspect of modern society is consumerism, which has been falling since the 80s

>Diogenes will never ever shitpost on Veeky Forums

Why even live?

>and modern society isn't nearly as hedonistic as the past
Yes and the sky is green and the grass is blue and water is not liquid.

Probably ancient rome. And if an ancient person did think we were in a debauched, degenerate state, surely they would appreciate being able to say so without fear of reprisal? Surely anybody could appreciate the human rights we have today.

>Alexander will never shade you

Why did he have to die so young

the last man is the ultimate decadent user

Seems like many scholars disagree though.
>The interpretation of the Cylinder as a "charter of human rights" has been described by some historians as "rather anachronistic" and tendentious.[8][102][103][104]
>British Museum's C.B.F. Walker comments that the "essential character of the Cyrus Cylinder [is not] a general declaration of human rights or religious toleration but simply a building inscription, in the Babylonian and Assyrian tradition, commemorating Cyrus's restoration of the city of Babylon and the worship of Marduk previously neglected by Nabonidus."[23]
>Two professors with specialisms in the history of the ancient Near East, Bill T. Arnold and Piotr Michalowski, comment: "Generically, it belongs with other foundation deposit inscriptions; it is not an edict of any kind, nor does it provide any unusual human rights declaration as is sometimes claimed."[10]
>Llewellyn-Jones of the University of Edinburgh notes that "there is nothing in the text" that suggests the concept of human rights.[103]

It also looks like most of the people claiming it is a human rights document are Iranians, so I'm gonna take that with a large grain of salt.

Depends where you look but if you look into the cults of Ishtar, bacchanalia, Etruscan dogfights, Roman gladiators, Chinese green hats, widespread acceptance of prostitution, pederasty, the denigration of work by the aristocracy (...), you may come to see that culture can't easily be placed on a sliding scale and there's little new under the sun.

with great ambition comes great stress, with great stress comes great alcoholism, with great alcoholism comes great poisoning

>surely they would appreciate being able to say so without fear of reprisal
When was this ever a problem other than in communist states?

>Yes and the sky is green and the grass is blue and water is not liquid.

>If I claim it's common sense I'm automatically right

And how is that more degenerate than today? We have all of that and more. I'm not saying if it's good or bad, but they can't hold a candle to modern depravity. And you're talking about WAY into the past, that's more than two millenia ago.

Oh because saying "you're wrong and im right" is a top tier argument and i have to refute that? Kill yourself you low iq imbecile.

Who is Socrates?

Are you kidding? That's how religious prosecutions are started.

If only the Persians had given him some weed to smoke we'd have the chillest world

>the denigration of work by the aristocracy
If you're talking about what I think you're talking about the aristocrats are right
working is low

Are you retarded? There were open displays of homosexuality in Ancient Greece and Rome, aswell as art that glorified violence, racemixing, and rampant drug use by members of the Eleusinian Mysteries.

They were just as degenerate as we are now. The western history is not just the victorian-era.

I've thought about this, and I always conclude that pretty much no cultures would really appreciate it. The things they liked are not the things we like today. Most cultures would probably be mortified just at the idea of atheists existing in our society.

>We have all of that and more.
We literally don't have any of that.

>I'm not saying if it's good or bad, but they can't hold a candle to modern depravity.
Modern people are prudes.

> And you're talking about WAY into the past, that's more than two millenia ago.
Gin Craze in 18th century London, General alcoholism in 19th century Scandinavia (which led to their fucked up dinking laws) Laughing gas trend among upper class enlightenment Englishmen, Opium addiction throughout the 19th century, Heroin and Cocaine addiction after WW2. I can find you quotes from 8th century England complaining about how their degenerate society drinks too much.

see
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_panic

Not really, as the title is hereditary.

>There were open displays of homosexuality in Ancient Greece and Rome,
incorrect. even fucking Sulla had to hide his fuckboy away and he was the Dictator nigga

>racemixing
you mean those few mosaics of Priapus? muh diq muhfukka

alexander smoking weed would be a disaster.

he already decided to name every city after himself when he wasn't high, imagine what he'd think up if he were.

>Oh because saying "you're wrong and im right" is a top tier argument and i have to refute that?
There have been plenty of examples of ancient and early modern hedonism in this thread, there's no point restating that. Your gut feelings about modernity are emotional trash

>Kill yourself you low iq imbecile.
no need to be so upset

>ancient Greeks
>being AT ALL pleased with a society of pathetic scrawny weaklings

they would call us a bunch of effeminate Orientals

>racemixing
aw yea

in very different ways

Modern hedonism is very moderate but far more pervasive. It's not about cocaine binges but safety, happiness and freedom from oppression.

he's clearly tanned, blond hair makes it pretty obvious
>that text
I know exactly where you got that from
you ain't fooling me Tyrone

>implying the Greeks weren't tan as fuck
the Persians said they would cover themselves in oil to darken their skin in the sun

also the Persians were made fun of for being so white, like women
real men spent all day outside

if I was flung through time and ended up back in ancient greece do you think they would stop bullying me for my pasty white look if I told them I lived above the polar circle where it was cold 100% of the time and pitch dark half of it

obviously he's rocking the proto hulk hogan look

They might not bully you for your skin color if there's a good reason for it, but they'd bully you for living there at all

they would call you a sissy weirdo
only women were pale because they spent all day indoors
even worse if you aren't fit as fuck
even the women could probably beat you up

>safety, happiness
I'll concede these points in general but I'd argue that this has been true for the majority of people throughout history. I'd also argue that "indulging" in glory, victory, etc. are just as hedonistic as "indulging" in safety/happiness etc.

>freedom from oppression.
That's a value that many people hold. Defending values isn't hedonism.

They'd respect you if you were able to wrestle down a good greek fighter

have fun

Weed causes an awakening of empathy in many people. If he had gotten high and really out himself in the minds of his new subjects, I feel like he could have focused on making their lives better. Or at least weed would be way more popular in the Indo-European world. Which is a big win for art at least.

>that text
i just looked up what you meant by that and now i'm ahvin a giggle at this site thanks m8

America IS Rome