How did Japan manage to modernize so quickly...

Nothing comparable to the french revolution...again. Do you have anything to answer, or you simply lack knowledge on the subject, so you qualify it as stupid ?

Fucking this, Japan had multiple revolts and a civil war ffs. Op should just fuck off and come back after he stop posting meme history

Taiwan is rightful clay of the People's Republic of China.

Are you literally arguing that every modernization period has to go through the exact same form of upheaval as the French revolution?

Do you even realize that the meji restoration and modernization came from the top? While the French revolution was a revolt from the buttom?

>PRC
>legitimate China
Wew lad

I didn't say that. But it's worth to take into consideration how violent modernity came to be in Europe while it happened very quickly in Japan.
Wrong, it came from both in those two cases. The french revolution didn't happen only because of the people. The nobility and third-estates, bourgeoisie, were both opposed to the king. In case of Meiji restoration the common people also paralysed the country.

Formosa is rightful Japanese clay pursuant to the Treaty of Shimonoseki.

>nobody answering the fucking question
Not OP, but he's asking a legitimate question and all you're doing is shitposting. This board really is shit.

Why was Japan able to do from a secluded 'feudal' society to a world power in less than a lifetime? How did they succeed so well, while China, Korea, Thailand, Turkey, Ethiopia, Iran, and everywhere else that remained independent and tried to modernize in the same period either failed or only succeeded to a much lesser degree?

What made Japan different?

>"not" OP

I don't care about the French Revolution stuff he's talking about, I just want to see somebody at least try to answer the question.

I mean, is there a single fucking thing this board is good for? Is arguing about Africans and posting 'history Pepes' all this place can do?

FUCK OFF YOU DWARVEN PIECE OF SHIT TAIWAN WAS CEDED TO CHINA ALONG WITH DAIYU ISLANDS IN THE TREATY OF TAIPEI

It's Senkaku, m8

Education. There were many educated people in Japan at that time. They had learned western science and politics a lot from Dutch. Literacy rate was exceptionally high. They noticed immediately that feudal system was obsolete and it's better to modernize.

I WILL FUCKING BOIL YOU ALIVE YOU SMUG LITTLE DWARF. EVERYONE KNOW THE ISLANDS ARE N A M E D DAIYU NO OTHER NAME IS ACCEPATABLE ESPESALLY FROM A LITERAL WHO COUNTRY!

They did it by choice with a logical approach?

Unlike other nations where it's essentially forced upon them and they resist.

>The Senkaku Islands (尖閣諸島 Senkaku-shotō?, variants: 尖閣群島 Senkaku-guntō[6] and 尖閣列島 Senkaku-rettō[7]) are a group of uninhabited islands controlled by Japan in the East China Sea. They are located roughly due east of Mainland China, northeast of Taiwan, west of Okinawa Island, and north of the southwestern end of the Ryukyu Islands.

>Not op
Top kek OP in full damage control

>Education
Citation needed

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Wrong, it came from both in those two cases. The french revolution didn't happen only because of the people. The nobility and third-estates, bourgeoisie, were both opposed to the king. In case of Meiji restoration the common people also paralysed the country.

Which is my point exactly, but you seem not to understand that the Emperor Meji was one of the major figures during the modernization, while King Louis XVI didn't want revolution i assume. To not forget the French revolution is complex with several stages and foreign intervention. Which was against the revolution. While Meji got support from Britain and France

>KIKEPEDIA
TOP KEK

>How did Japan manage to modernize so quickly?
>1868-1950+
>quickly

Op confirmed for weeb

>I believe it's the only case of a feudal society becoming a modern one so fast.
>China, Korea, Iran, USSR
Wew lad, educated yourself and stop posting meme history

Good leadership.

The Meiji aristocrats were extremely capable.

Japanese society pre-Meiji was far more advanced than it's given credit for. It was fairly centralized, densely populated, it had large urban centers, a solid market economy, a merchant class...basically everything that Europe had just before the industrial revolution.

Japan modernized much sooner than 1950.

>Everyone knows they're called Daiyu, and no other name is accepted.
>The Jewish people either do not know, or do not accept the name Daiyu

Pick carefully.

The guy you are quoting is right. Japan had an unusually high literacy rate for the time.

>I am to retarded to know what citations means

I think he meant 1905, probably just a typo.

Suck my cock

indiana.edu/~easc/publications/doc/CRJEHVolume3.pdf

wiki.samurai-archives.com/index.php?title=Edo_Period

JEWS KNOW THAT THE ISLANDS ARE RIGHTFUL CHINESE CLAY, BUT JEWS FEAR CHINA THAT IS WHY THEY TRY TO UNDERMIND HER TOGETHER WITH THEIR PUPPET USA

JEWS STARTED OPIUM AND BOXER WARS TO WEAKEND CHINA JAPANESE MODERNIZED BECAUSE OF JEWS JEWS DID NOT WANT CHINA TO MODERNIZE THAT IS WHY ONLY GERMANY AND US BEFORE US BEAME JEW PUPPET HELPED CHINA MODERNIZE

REASON JAPAN MODERNIZED BEFORE CHINA WAS BECAUSE JEWS NEEDED NEW PUPPET CLOSER TO CHINA
JAPANESE ARE A SLAVE RACE JEWS SAW THIS BUT JAPAN COULD NOT BE GREAT POWER ALONE BECAUSE JAPANESE ARE WEAK STRUCTURE THAT IS WHY JEWS GAVE FUNDS TO JAPAN DURING WAR WITH RUSSIA AND CHINA

JAPANESE PROTECTED JEWS UNDER WW2
JAPANESE ALSO HELPED COMMUNISTS THEY IGNORED COMMUNIST TROOPS AND EVEN MADE PUPPET GOVERMENT LED BY WANG AND OTHER COMMUNISTS YES WANG WAS COMMUNIST

>samurai arcives
>pdf written By japs
>>>

Once again
>i am to stupid to know how citations works

You asked for source, I gave you sources. Who do you think that will study Edo Period Japan?
Now, get on your knees, bitch.

You only gave me questionable sources but no citations

Why are they questionable sources?

Go fuck yourself, that late Edo period Japan had an uncommonly high literacy rate is pretty much common knowledge.

Why do you disagree with that? Do you have any evidence against this?

>Why are they questionable sources?
>Go fuck yourself, that late Edo period Japan had an uncommonly high literacy rate is pretty much common knowledge.
>implying
>Why do you disagree with that? Do you have any evidence against this?
Purden of proof retard. You are the one making the claim, not I.

You didn't say why they are questionable sources.

Read the links. Do you still maintain that they didn't have high literacy rates for the period?

In Victoria 2 they start with 40% literacy m8. That's as good as Belgium.

Source: Paradox U.

Still more credible than most universities nowadays.

>You didn't say why they are questionable sources.
>Read the links.
that is why I ask for citations pleb

>swedish company
>credible

They make muslims and african nations super OP in every one of their games whilst adding hidden debuffs to western nations.

>Victoria 2

You're going to need a better source than a video game that separates American cultural groups into "Yankee" and "Dixie"

iq-research.info/en/page/average-iq-by-country

>3. Japan: 105

There is your answer.

>inb4 but why didn't China and Korea, who also have high IQ populations didn't modernize faster either

China was ruled by Manchus in the XIXth century and Korea tried to modernize too late, when it did it was just conquered by Japan.

This. Japan was feudal, but it wasn't feudal the way that we tend to think of it. There was a solid foundation in place, it wasn't exactly modern but it was far from backward.

There are so many factors that let Japan modernize as quickly as it did, but IQ is probably the least relevant one you could have possibly chosen

High average IQ
Homogeneous society
Pre-existing national administration systems

Why would you say that? It is one of the most deterministic predictors of economic outcomes--6x more so at a macro national scale, than at the individual scale.

>Manchus r dumbdumb :P
Manchus weren't bohick nomads like the Mongols were, they've been running a Chinese style state for quite some time after their independence from the Ming. And prior to that, been stewing under Jin-Yuang-Ming Chinese civilization.

Its their Jurchen ancestors who were nomad.

>How do countries git gud way after the industrial age began?
By not doing it from scratch.

Damage control for what asking a reasonable question?

Reminder that the good guys lost.

They went over different Western models for stuff like military, education, government etc (From countries like France, Britain, Germany, etc). They then picked the ones which melded best with Japanese values. There was no experimentation needed.

Paraphrasing my history professor who specializes in Asia.

A culture of being subservient to the state, combined with a high literacy rate and an eager workforce. When it was the state policy to adopt and modernize, society was willing to do so. For nearly a century leading up to the Meiji Restoration, the Japanese were already adopting European medicine and education techniques. Many superstitions and old caste-cultures in Japan remain in place despite modernizing technologically, and so almost everyone from pre-Meiji Japan had a new role to slip into during the post-Meiji period.

An interesting analysis I read while researching this subject found that less than 9% of Japan's economy during the 19th century was influenced by Zaibatsu's, or large family-run businesses, and so a great deal of cash was in the direct hands of the State and not individuals. They were quick to adopt modern banking techniques, and already had hefty and efficient tax systems in place to collect revenue. However I believe the largest contributing factor to Japan's rapid modernization is the desire of the State to pursue it, and the willingness of the population, as a virtue of its culture, to submit to the will of the state.

Not entirely wrong either. It was a great contributing factor that other nations were more than willing to sell their technology and advances at a reasonable price to Japan. The Japanese Military began to send out naval officers, cavalry officers, etc.. all across Europe and told them to travel, make friends, compare notes, and see what worked best for Japan. The English set up the Japanese Auto Industry, the Germans were the model for the IJA, and the Dutch had significant clout in Japanese modern philosophy, medicine, and law.

>the Dutch had significant clout in Japanese modern philosophy, medicine, and law.
Yeah all those famous Dutch philosophers.
Meiji law was copied from the Prussian model.

Italy has one of the world's highest IQ levels and its an economic basket case filled with corruption.

You won't get any argument from me that Italy has serious social and governmental issues, and yet it still has almost the same GDP as India despite India have a 20x larger population.

Look, I'm not going to have a feeling back and forth. I gave you a source, you can check out the data yourself, or not.

South Korea did it even faster. Fact is, industrialisation takes less time to do the more widespread industrialism is, globally, because you can save a bunch of time and money doing research and development by simply buying obsolete tech from more developed nations.

Abridged if you prefer:
mason.gmu.edu/~gjonesb/IQandNationalProductivity.pdf
mason.gmu.edu/~gjonesb/

You mean "westernized", not "modernized".

Modernity is not equivalent with Westernization, nor viceversa.

Why does reading explanations like this excite me so much?

A better question is why Japan industrialized and China didn't, being an island seems to help with indutrialization.

Smaller country means its more efficient to rule
Anyway, China did industrialized is army and navy. But they did't have the leadership, During the Sino-Japanese war, China had modern navy engineered by Germans.
However Qing monarch were retarded and demanded that its admirals face the Japanese navy head on.

China was the first country in east asia who won land battels against imperial powers, the main reason they lost the opiums wars was mostly because Qing had neglected their navy.

It is also worth to note that China had many foreign interventions, while in Japan the Meji restoration was supported by Great Britain and France. The only powers who actually sent missons to help China modernize was Germany. America sold them weapons while Germany sent advisors n shiet to try to undermind French and Anglo domination in East Asia.

Also the fact that over half of your population(80% at some point) uses opium does not help either

Damange control for samefagging

>Also the fact that over half of your population(80% at some point) uses opium does not help either
This is like saying people who drink alcohol bring down empires. Since Chinese have a long history of recreational drug usage before biting down the MUH DRUGS R BAD schtick along with the western world.

The fact that most of your population + generals saw Qing's Mandate of Heaven slipping has more to do with it.

Because you are a weeb and should kill yourself

bruh the Korean economy is run by companies almost identical to the pre war Japanese zaibatsu

>comparing opium with alcohol
1Opium is more addictive than alcohol
2Opium literally destoyed the economy of the qing dynasty. Most of their trade deficit came from opium trade. Which were now distributed more than ever before.

>We're talking about a feudal society that abolished its traditional social classes.
They only changed forms. Yesterday's Daimyo and landed Samurai simply became today's Zaibatsu all the way until the end of World War II

>Which were now distributed more than ever before.
And before that they were using shitloads of other drugs.

Yes, not saying the British Drug Hos weren't a serious problem. But as a long term problem, Qing's ruined reputation in fending of "Western Barbarians" wrecked them moar than addicts.

Post war economic miracle!!!1

>bruh the Korean economy is run by companies almost identical to the pre war Japanese zaibatsu
You don't understand what zaibatsu were if you think they were just large businesses. Chaebol are fundamentally different from zaibatsu.

Are you retarded? Korea did the same thing as Japan and the way they did it has nothing to do with culture. It was all industrial policy just as Britain and the United States had done beforehand.

High tariffs, extreme control on foreign currency and imports and government subsidies and programs to build human capital and support budding industry.

It had an intermediate stage before modernizing where Food production skyrocketed.

Short answer is relative peace, daimyo held together by Shogun who held prisoners of family, roads where established everywhere that allowed forms of writing and knowledge about farming to reach all over the country.

Then a complete overhaul of education after the leaders of Meiji era went on a tour of western countries and took what they liked. They had a philosophy of all knowledge is japanese so had no problem taking barbarian "science" and proclaiming it was jap knowledge all along.

Explain please for the uninformed.

Japan has always been ruled by a paternalistic elite. The Genro were natural continuation of that. Rabid Nationalism came naturally to a people who believe they are basically divine. The Japanese are defined by their strict adherence to rigid hierarchy.

The Genro won the argument because the Tokugowa had so utterly failed in their duty to protect Japan from the outside. The Genro also used modern weaponry to defeat the Tokugowa, thus proving their point that modernization is the path to power.

>Formosa is rightful Japanese
>has never ever been populated by Japanese
They even called it a "colony" themselves

Is that half a stereopticon slide? Why would you do that?

Strong leadership was the key component, IMO. To defeat the Western pig dog, you must become the Western pig dog.

Japan was the first to successfully implement this idea, with other Asia nations following suit once they had some political stability. China could potentially be the most influential of the modernizing/modernized Asian nations.

That was actually the rallying cry at the time.

The Genro succeeded for other reasons as well. Other anti-colonialist movements were socialistic and/or tribalistic in nature. The Genro rejected socialism, and embraced traditional corporatism. The Genro were actually genuinely concerned with the strength of the nation. Almost always these anti-colonialist movement leaders take power and use it just enrich themselves at the expense of society. The Genro actually made concerned efforts to understand and copy what made the West successful. They often sent out diplomatic missions for just that purpose.

Japanese realized that they had to embrace western influence if they were to create animated qt grills.

Zaibatsu are formed around a central bank. Chaebol are more or less banned from owning a bank. Chaebol are just very large corporations, closer to Frito-Lay than they are to Mitsui.