And what of the theological differences? Whilst the Orthodox have the concept of theosis do the eastern Catholics have the same views?m
Joshua Brooks
It's just the same Catholic Church with some difference.
Eli Rodriguez
What are the differences then? I heard that Eastern Catholics reject Original sin for example.
Jonathan Jones
Well Eastern let's priests get married, Western can't. It's pretty much some of the Orthodox Church slithering back to Catholics.
Liam Parker
What are the differences between two legs on the same statue?
Dylan Lopez
One's left and the other is right.
Andrew Jackson
Bad example then.
Neither one of these two institutions is "right" and they're both going to get "left".
Ryan Edwards
They're nonsuperimposable.
Joseph Harris
Basically they are eastern churches in full communion with Rome, which means they except all Roman dogmas, but their liturgy is more like Orthodox liturgy.
Jayden Ross
There are none. Babylon Paganism is Babylon Paganism.
Caleb Bennett
>shitposting
Noah Sanders
Eastern Catholics, for one thing, don't believe in Purgatory.
Nothing wedges them apart, they're in full communion.
Jonathan Rogers
they accept Catholic dogma on its own terms, but some (Melkites for example, which are the most byzantine of the East) prefer their own theology and terms. But they dont go as far as to deny the doctrine
Ryan Nguyen
If you go to an Eastern Catholic church they'll look like an Eastern orthodox one and follow the Orthodox rite of Divine Liturgy Theologically they're exactly the same as western rite Catholics
Wyatt Thomas
Eastern Catholics are simply Orthodox who accept the authority of the Pope.
There'll be of course some Latinization here and there amongst them despite their theological closeness to the East.
Kayden Perry
>Eastern Catholics, for one thing, don't believe in Purgatory. >Nothing wedges them apart, they're in full communion.
Yet they don't believe in Purgatory apparently?
Juan Wood
Touching the kids! Touching the kids!!! Lol you fucking catholic scum suckers. 90% of all child rape cases since 1948 have been by the catholic clergy you sick fucks.
Carson Cooper
Eastern Catholics and Western (Or Latin) Catholics are all in communion with the Pope in Rome
There are 23 Eastern Catholic Churches, some are older than others. They follow various Eastern rite liturgies (For instance, Ukranian Greek or Ruthenian Catholics follow the Eastern Orthodox Byzantine rite, Coptic Catholics follow the same rite as regular Copts, Ethiopian Catholics follow the same rite as Ethiopian Orthodox, Armenian Catholics follow the same rite as Armenian Orthodox, etc.) however some (like the Maronite Church) are more heavily influenced by Latin traditions.
Some of them have their own Patriarchs (Major Archbishops like in the case of the Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church for instance are Patriarchs, but they're called Major Archbishops to avoid bad relations with the Eastern Orthodox Patriarch)
Theologically they tend to use more Eastern Orthodox language. For instance you aren't going to hear about Eastern Catholics talking about Purgatory or venial vs. mortal sins or things like that.
Charles Fisher
Catholics and Orthodox both believe praying for the dead who are in an intermediate state, that's all that's really "required" when it comes to Purgatory. Latins use purgatorial language while Eastern Christians have a variety of opinions.
Isaiah Rogers
Eastern Catholics are angry, depressed alcoholics.
Western Catholics are basically atheists who do a lot of fucking, commit and accept adultery, and occasionally go to church.
Adam Ross
Go drink antifreeze.
Christopher Rogers
They RCC is ecumenicist, having different dogmas doesn't matter to them so long as you accept the Pope's authority.
Justin Cooper
That sounds like heterodoxy. And I don't think recognizing papal authority does away with heterodoxy.
Brandon Mitchell
They're still in communion and they don't throw a fuss so it doesn't really matter.
Henry Morales
Its not heresy unless a dogma is being violated, and the church gives theologians a good deal of leeway in terms of interpretation
Jaxon Edwards
Yes, well while the Orthodox considered "hetrodoxoy" just another term for "heresy", the RCC see hetrodoxy as no worse than the Orthodox see theologoumena. Vatican II, especially Unitatis redintegratio, Lumen gentium and Nostra aetate. Although in fact the situation existed long before then, but to give you an idea of the drastic changes of Vatican II
>The Church regards with esteem also the Moslems. They adore the one God, living and subsisting in Himself; merciful and all- powerful, the Creator of heaven and earth,(5) who has spoken to men; they take pains to submit wholeheartedly to even His inscrutable decrees, just as Abraham, with whom the faith of Islam takes pleasure in linking itself, submitted to God. Though they do not acknowledge Jesus as God, they revere Him as a prophet. They also honor Mary, His virgin Mother; at times they even call on her with devotion. In addition, they await the day of judgment when God will render their deserts to all those who have been raised up from the dead. Finally, they value the moral life and worship God especially through prayer, almsgiving and fasting.
-Nostra aetate
>But the plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator. In the first place amongst these there are the Muslims, who, professing to hold the faith of Abraham, along with us adore the one and merciful God, who on the last day will judge mankind. -Lumen gentium
Adrian Reyes
Indeed, the Church says she understands dogma better today than the Church Fathers did
Ian Turner
I'm always glad your here to misrepresent Roman Catholicism,
Aaron Cook
>Roman Catholicism is monolithic Pope Emeritus Benedict decried Vatican II, so I don't think it's right of you to represent Jesuit theology as speaking for your entire Church
David Long
Vatican II has no dogma change you idiot.
Henry Gomez
I left the church, I just understand Catholic legalize. "There is no salvation outside the church": is still Catholic dogma. They let theologians debate exactly what it means to be "outside" the church.Some theologians hold to things like the secret Christian doctrine. But to actually deny the dogma would carry an automatic excommunication
But for instance the statement you gave about Muslims cannot be read as saying Muslims are saved, because they do not state that plainly.
James Myers
Ignore what he says Constantine only speaks bullshit about Catholicism His cherry picking garbage isn't something worth acknowledging, and he's better off filtered
David Gonzalez
>not attacking him for doing it
Jaxson Diaz
>the terms are still the same, they can just change their meaning to whatever they want Isn't this a very Jewish way of doing things? The idea that just the letter of the law is immutable, but the substance is mutable?
Ethan Campbell
Reminder:
>Sue Widemark A Penn State historian, Philip Jenkins, has done in-depth research of pedophilia and sexual abuse among the clergy and has come up with some rather eye opening facts (Pedophiles and Priests, Anatomy of a Crisis, Oxford University Press, 1996, Paperback edition, 2001). It seems that while .2 to 1.7 percent of Catholic clergy have been guilty of pedophilia (or sexual abuse particularly of boys, p. 80-82), a whopping 10 percent of Protestant ministers have been found guilty of sexual misconduct with a 2 or 3 percent pedophilia rate (p. 50-52).
>This is all the more interesting, notes Jenkins, since there has been NO media term "Pastor Pedophilia" coined at all! Jenkins theorizes that the media, proving the 'point' of the 'necessity' of sexual promiscuity, overemphasizes any instance of pedophilia found among the Catholic clergy since it can use this to criticize the entire idea of celibacy. But it is interesting that the NON Celibate Protestant ministers have a MUCH GREATER problem with it than the celibate Catholic priests!
>Jenkins' research was based on several highly respected studies and statistics. He points out that whereas sexual misconduct has always been a problem, among Catholic and non-Catholic clergy as well as among the general populace, what is new now is that the 'problem' of priest sexual abuse, constructed by the media as a result of a 'moral panic' occurring in the mid-1980's.
I'm pretty sure it wasn't the abuse that scandalized everyone, it was the cover ups and musical chairs with the priests, as well as Pope John Paul II being close buddies with one of the top offenders, and refusing to have him investigated despite Ratzinger pressuring him to. And all sorts of priests being known pedophiles and abusers, and people in the church saying they need to not be priests, but the church saying, "No, we've reformed them, they're good to go now."
The real evil of the media here is crucifying Pope Benedict, who easily did more than anyone else in the Church to investigate and root out the problem. But he took the blame because he's conservative, and so he had to resign.
Jace Parker
I know, but when proddies bring this stuff up it's pure hypocrisy.
Ethan Hill
They have damnable sexual conduct, but their faith is stronger so they got it where it counts :^)
Blake Russell
Melkites use Greek while Maronites use Arabic in their rites no matter where they are
Brody Ross
>A Penn State historian
hue
Dylan Ortiz
...too bad their faith without works is dead.
Matthew Jackson
You sick motherfuckers. Over 90% of all child rape cases since 1948 have been perpetrated by the catholics. You sick fucks! Execute all catholic faggots.
Eli Sanders
Alarmist fucks, throwing out the baby with the bathwater.
Adam Mitchell
>Proddyposting
Brayden Bailey
>pulling percentages out of your ass
Henry Jenkins
>Is Eastern Catholicism just orthodox Christianity under the Pope? I think yes. They believe what EE believe but recognize the pope and he accepts them.
So basically the pope recognizes EE theology and any arguments catholics have against EE can go straight to the trash.
Jacob King
No they except all Catholic dogma, at least nominally.
David Smith
>I think yes This is wrong Theologically they're the same as western Catholicism They just adhere to Eastern rite cultural traditions (priests being allowed to marry before entering the priesthood, which has always been a matter of discipline rather than faith, the eastern divine liturgy, etc.)
Asher Richardson
How many Eastern Rite churches are there in the US?