"Working out is modern couture. No outfit is going to make you look or feel as good as having a fit body...

looks just as
>""small""

Even if he is that really isn't the point. My point is that designers make their clothes for thin people and that's why their models are thin and why thin people look the best in them and fat or muscular people need to search harder for clothes that fit their proportions.

m.youtube.com/watch?v=h0LpAUS0Rt0

Look at this guy foam rolling (~1:30)

Tell me he doesnt look as scrawny as your average nonlifter in normie clothes. I dare you.

good luck getting that asshole into those jeans

so why bother working out and going through all that effort if we all look the same when we wear clothes? it's not as if most of the guys on this board can actually talk to girls irl anyway

Take away the pump, take away the spray tan, take away the lighting, add some clothes... And yes.

Literally exactly as small

Bodybuilding is all about deceptive lighting, posing, and angles.

He doesn't look scrawny at all. What the hell do you look like that you think he's scrawny?

he looks like absolute shit. why do you keep jacking off to this guy again?

>implying

If your knees will fit, your legs will fit, unless you are fat or do roids.

Kinobody (op pic) has worn skinny jeans, and looked great, and he is literally on steroids.

no. he does not have the same proportions as an slp model. why are you so delusional?

i can't motivate myself to work out
i am 5'9/115 lbs so it's not like i have to work out

If you think he looks small, you're projecting your own body dysmorphia on to him. And there's no way in hell he's natty, look at his fucking delts.

Post self
I am not claiming to be big, but you are delusional if that man isnt as scrawny as your average non fatty

>Your shirts will hug your body better, showing off your slim waistline and V-taper. Your pants will show off your ass (did i mention lifting gives you a great ass? It totally does), as well as your defined leg (i.e. Not a toothpick)
So lifting changes the way your body looks but apparently it also doesn't because you still look scrawny and the same as a non-lifter?

you're delusional, the bodybuilder's legs are double the size of the runway model. big legs are disgusting.

Who kino?
I said kino is not natty.

You think eric helms has boulder shoulders???
I promise you that you can get that much delt development when you ohp your bodyweight.

And i only said he looks small in clothes.

why do bodybuilders all have such small dicks?

Yep. Lifting is a strong improvement. But without roids a negligible one.

You do realize
-they are pumped so the sarcoplasm is filled to the brim with blood and water
-he is flexing the everliving fuck out of them so hard it hurts

Right?

Take away the pump and the pose, and his knee joints are bigger

Ever heard of overcompensation?

>tfw you do a set of really heavy deadlifts and your weenypeepee shrinks

Why?

Honestly no idea. But the broscientist in me wants to mumble something about bloodflow...

It isnt permanent shrinkage, to be clear. But it does definitely react.

>he thinks he is effay
>he doesnt even lift
Was zyzz Veeky Forumsshionable?

Dying young is always Veeky Forums but he looks awful.

I am mirin his sexy top, desu

You never see Veeky Forums with such aesthetics.

>he looks awful
Care to post yourself with timestamp?

...

Are you being serious about him being on steroids?

Kino has way bigger legs than those fatties, and looks great in skinny jeans

100000%

Just ask the entirety of Veeky Forums

He is on a half natty dose of 100-250mg test.

(Pic)

too bad muscles cant fix ur ugly face
go back to shitposting on misc and lookism.com

>that projection
Too bad expensive clothes wont fix your ugly face, lmao

What OP says is totally true. Actually right now, I'm terrified as fuck since I lost a shitload of weight, like 40 pounds, being noticeably muscular before and ABSOLUTELY ALL MY CLOTHES LOOK LIKE SHIT ON ME NOW. I don't know what to do. Why didn't I figure this out before? Because I was depressed and literally spent months/years just using 1 or 2 jeans and shitty baggy t-shirts. Afterwards when I decided to snap out of it and tried dressing like before, it just doesn't work anymore and I'm stuck with a shitload of clothes that don't fit me anymore.

The good news is re-growing muscle is much easier than gorwing it initially
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muscle_memory_(strength_training)

The bad news is you let yourself get above 15% bodyfat.

No excuses.
Bulk to 15%, cut to 8-10%

If you get too old to stay lean (age 35 or higher) get on some TRT. If you are younger than that (excluding abnormal hormone function) just count calories.
It is that easy.

Fuck. this makes me think there is no hope for me to have a physique like him or close. What about Radu Antoniu?

holy shit
G O A L S
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I'm in about 6 months deep from being completely out of shape. How far off am I from something like OP pic?
Is it diminishing returns at this point where a lot of work gets you only marginally better results?

they don't it's a different perception due to their proportions

This guy is natty

Just b urself family

Just because that guy is juicing doesn't mean that you can't get a similar or better body without juicing. He's very lean but not big at all. You definitely can get this, and better naturally. That motherfucker doesn't even look like he eats correctly to gain real size.

Radu is fullnatty.

Pretty much everything about kino is attainable matty except his delts.

But if you want some hope in exchange for potential naivete, he claims your delts will be that big if you can ohp 1.25x your bodyweight.

Looking at sigmund klein (pre steroid bodybuilder who ohp'd 221lb at 145lb bw), i remain unconvinced. But i suppose there could be an argument about sigmund not doing side lat raises but... eh.. I wouldnt recommend getting your hopes up.

If you want nice delts, you basically need exogenous androgens

3 years proper lifting will take you to the point where you wont improve drastically anymore...
5-6 years fuckarounditis improper lifting.

You will not get a physique like kinos without trading in your natty card.

6 months is usually when the noob gains start to dry up, and the gains take real work.

I recommend you learn yourself up on VIF and routine programming. Trade volume for frequency whenever possible

Radu antonio has a good interview of eric helms and greg o gallagher that covers most every topic.

That disgusting delt:arm ratio
That overdeveloped sternal pectoralis.
2/10 would not bang.

I had heard scott herman is not natty, but i am not involved enough to care. He certainly doesnt have red flags in his androgen receptor areas, so maybe it was just a blahaposter

>T.dyel
Post body, mr. Fitness advice.

Or just post anyone who existed prior to steroids, that had deltoids as big as kinobody's.

I will wait.

I WANT to be wrong. I would desperately like to believe that you could get full, round deltoids and a shredded physique without roids.

Please prove me wrong..
Please.

thx for the pointers user. I like drapey shit and I find that it works better if you have broad, well defined shoulders

Standing barbell press and side lateral raise are your two best friends.

make sure for your shoulder health that you have equal parts pulling and pressing exercises.

A vertical pull for every vertical press, and a horizontal pull for every horizontal press is a FANTASTIC rule of thumb

That guy DOES NOT LOOK BIG AT ALL. I don't have to post a fucking picture of me to prove anything. It is a fact. He's very lean and he has some muscle development, but he looks too small to be juicing, and if indeed he is juicing then he probably could have gotten it without doing it, since he really is not packing much mass.

Can you just make a YouTube channel so I just listen to your advice anons

....which is why nobody had delts that big prior to the invention of steroids.. Gotcha.

Keep pretending you know more about lifting than people who have lifted for decades.
Even scooby thinks you are an idiot if you think kino is natty, and scooby is literally the stupidest youtube fitness personality in existence.

Yeah. I made that mistake last time I got fit back when I was a teen. Fucked my shoulder up good and had to stop.
Got that "bulletproof your shoulder" book and it pulled me back from the brink of another regime-ending injury about 2 months ago

I was going to, but jeff nippard and radu antonio covered everything i would have (i.e. Interviewing smarter and better people like layne norton, menno henselmans, eric helms, martin berkhan, jim stoppani, bret contreras et al)
3dmj is phenomenal as well.
The peeling back a layer series, and the two pyramid series (nutrition and muscle or whatever) are basically mandatory.

Are we watching the same picture? I see a fucking skinny guy with some muscle. Are you really that impressed with his delts? Wtf man? Do you really think that's unattainable natty? I'm not trying to get rep on an anonymous chinese cartoon board, I literally don't give a fuck. What puzzles me is why you have so little faith in yourself and your own genetic potential. Maybe it's a bad picture of the guy? I don't know...

I had not heard of that book but dr. John kirsch (i hope i am spelling that right) has a good book called "shoulder injury: cause, solution, and prevention" or something similar.

I found it extremely useful. Brachial hangs are magic.

Also make sure you avoid internal rotation when doing side lat raises (athlean-x has a video on proper form for them)

Post.
Anyone.
Prior to steroids
With boulder shoulders.

You cannot get bigger delts than sigmund klein as a natty.
You cannot get bigger delts than eugen sandow as a natty.

It will not happen, even with insane genetics

If is only obtainable via steroids, there is no point to natty
This looks like a very healthy physique that is completely within the bounds of normal workout and nutrition

To someone who is uneducated, it sure does look like that.

Which is literally the look he is going for.

>
Also make sure you avoid internal rotation when doing side lat raises (athlean-x has a video on proper form for them)
I'm almost certainly fucking that one up. I'll have to check that video out

>trying this hard

But this fag >>> Is inferior to those two you mentioned anyway, and you keep saying it's impossible to have a physique like that guy without juicing.

Yea, internal rotation = impingement.

That may have been a contributing factor to shoulder injury... I think you will find the video useful

Best of luck, bro.

I guess man. Not gonna make a federal case out of it.
I've known ppl with bodies like that. I suppose I'm a bit surprised they were all juicing.
Buddy of mine whose an instructor at MCMAP looks like that. Don't the marines do drug tests?

You are blind. Post a pic of their delts that even come close.

Dude, why don't you buy a shitload of food, some protein, some creatine and some glutaime, you know, nothing fancy, AND START FUCKING WORKING OUT. You literally sound like you haven't touched a fucking weight in all your life and are already defeated in your mind. You have enormous untapped genetic potential. Most likely, much more than enough to get a physique better than this FAGGOT naturally.
If you prefer to keep believing that it's impossible, then congratulations, you have already failed. Try to improve your fucking attitude because it sucks and it will hardly work to your advantage if you maintain it.

If you think eugen's delts are the same size, you are just bad at spotting proportions.

But steroids are incredibly prolific, especially in the military, which is funny because nobody in the military looks like they lift. (So.. Same as /fraud/ lmao)

His delts do look bigger in this picture. Still doesn't invalidate anything that I have said. Just go ahead and try man. You literally sound like you haven't touched a weight in your life, just read about it or something.

Kek.
This man had stronger delts than kino's
And they are much smaller

His training routine was similar (arguably better) and his nutrition was inarguably better.

The only difference?
No intramuscular injections of testosterone enanthate

>creatine
but I don't want to lose my natty card

feels good
is healthy
gives you more energy and improves mood

I have been lifting for 18 months, and have a very realistic idea of what is attainable natty, and what is not.

Eric helms is 1000% the natty limit.

Go to nattyornot.com to get a better idea of what is possible

lol

This pic really settles it for me, that shit is not natural. Look how out-of-proportion his delts are.

Post body.
Now.
With timestamp.

Pic is me (yes i am fat, i know. Recovering obese permacut fag. Dont judge me)

One of these pics is off cycle.

Can you guess which one? (The pic on the left is older, btw)

Oh shit it's getting real in hurr

steroids is just what lazy ppl say

Hardwurk & dedikayshun

Eat clen
Tren hard
DBOLish your goals
TEST your limits
Winny it all
Anavar give up

#fullnatty#natty4lyfe#sigmundkleinisabitch

Do steroid gainz stick if you stop juicing but keep working out or are you stuck with that shit once you start?

I don't have a pic and I can't take one because this is me I have lost a shitload of weight and taking a picture now would not be of any use. At my best I reached 17.1 inch arms and a proportionate body that made me look like a lifted while wearing clothes, which apparently is not that easy to do.
I've seen your pic and you have some musculature, but I assure you, you can get bigger. You have a lot of untapped genetic potential, but you need to eat correctly, train correctly and sleep correctly in order to attain it. I'm not an expert or anything, but what worked for me was: Lifting no more than 3 times a week while having a 4 day routine (meaning that I could never do the whole routine in 1 week), to give the body time to rest a recover. Food around 200 grams of protein each day, creatine, glutamine, and 8 to 9 hours of sleep each night. 2500 to 3000 calories total.

Forgot to quote you.
This is me.

Depends on how much gains you got on roids.

If you roid yourself to a natty physique, you can keep most of the gains if you pct correctly and shit.

If you are bigger than your body would have naturally gotten, then you will slowly shrink back to your natty limit, regardless of how hard you lift.

Takes a bit to lose gains. Even roidmonsters like rich piana will go off cycle for 3 months and lose very little mass.

Ok so you got 6 months of noobgains one time...

You cant extrapolate those noobgains to intermediate/advanced level lifters,

>being this retarded
models are slim because they are walkin mannequins, so their bodies didn't alter the perception of the clothes that designers had in mind.

17.1 inch arms is noob gains?

17 inch fatceps on a pump?
Yea.

...

Kek

Veeky Forums told me i was going to leave humanity.. They just never said it was to enter the animal kingdom

Not fatceps. And it was 17.1 cold. On a pump I reached 18.1. Big enough so that people noticed/complimented all the time.

Greg o gallagher doesnt even have 17 inch arms..

..what did your delts look like, given that you were """"bigger"""" than him (he only weighs 168lb currently)

His delts look like mine on some pictures, but I was not as big as they look here definitely Still, If he did that on juice, I would probably be bigger than him if I had juiced. And in the picture of him where they look huge, it probably was because he was doing shoulders and was pumped.

Are these good proportions body wise??I have similar proportions but not so extreme,maybe I will at my natural limit.Am talking about the massive back and traps and small waist look.

>my arms were bigger than FRANK FUCKING ZANE's natty.
>and i only had to lose 40lb because of how not fat i was.
>and i gained AN ENTIRE INCH on a pump
You clearly do not lift, if you think thid is believable at all

Post pic, i want to see how skelly you look after losing 40lb of pure muscle

lee haney had 18 inch arms.

You did not, at least not at a low bodyfat.

He takes half natty doses, you tard.
Post your actual physique, so we arent dealing through your filter of self-perception.

Pic is 18 inch arms...