Why almost all of greatest generals of all time are Westerners ?

>pound for pound better at fighting than Americans
i'm crying

say what you want but the Imperial Japanese army was more advanced than the Americans, their destroyers shot farther and and harder, and if not for a minor blunder at Midway we would have most likely been stalemated with them

Meme all you want but Imperial Japan was a super power for a reason

I can't wait till morning when more passionate people can get into this. Weebs should be gassed.

Oh, I agree, he did indeed have flaws, as do we all.
How about Soult?
Or Ney? He was excellent in his service to the Emperor. Would the remnants of the Grande Armee have escaped without his brilliant rearguard?
Ney was off his game at Waterloo, but so was the entire high command that day, including the Emperor.

The Grande Armee would have won if he hadn't thrown his cavalry against a well fortified hill, Waterloo just reeks of incompetence all over though, but altogether Ney isn't really a general, more of a monster with a baton. He's perfect for rearguard, but nothing operational, simply because he was never very clever, but made up for it in grit and toughness. Which in all fairness he was the finest of Napoleon's rearguards

Soult fucked up Peninsular big time, honestly Davout was just a god amongst men with little ambition of his own in that time. He was a very contented man with whatever position Napoleon gave him, but he could have achieved much much more, Lannes or Napoleon himself could compare to his operational prowess at Austerlitz and Auerdat

>weeb for stating obvious facts

Come on, you gotta offer up more than that if I'm typing up arguments. Imperial Japan was axiomatically a world power, they had the most advanced navy in the world, their only blunder was no radar, that proved to be our strongest weapon... that and the Japs leaving a bunch of bombs on their ships because their admirals minor mistake

There's a reason we resorted to nuking rather than invading though

>Army
>Destroyers
>Midway

There's so much wrong here.

Pretty much the only time the Army was using destroyers was for night runs to Guadalcanal, which also had the effect of leading to horrific starvation because they inserted troops without any of the food or materiel support they needed to survive.

Also your pound-for-pound argument doesn't hold up when you consider that the Yamato, Nagato, Kongou and a handful of cruisers got run off the battlefield by a handful of tin-can destroyers and jeep carriers at Samar.

Couple that with the fact that most of their carriers were lost to damage that would have been negligible if it was inflicted upon an American ship with an American crew using American damage control techniques.

Japan was so shit at fighting naval warfare that Kamikaze operations did not seriously impact the life expectancy of Japanese pilots.

I don't know about them having more advanced ships but Japan backed out of the naval treaties meaning they could make their ships bigger.

There were 15 destroyers present at midway... but whatever....

Also at samar we had complete air superiority over them by a couple hundred, where aircraft carriers were the winners in naval combat.

Napoleon had moorish fire seething through his veins

They could honestly build their ships bigger even without the treaties being in effect because Japanese ships didn't have to be Panamax. it didn't do them any good, though, because they were still riding high off Tsushima and Kantai Kessen, and despite having one of the best prewar naval aviation programs, still thought surface warfare would decide the course of battle.

It's amusing to see people try and use Japanese experiences during world war 2 to refute Mahan. He's still absolutely correct, the Japanese simply made two major mistakes and one minor one. The minor mistake was lack of radar FCS. the major mistakes were not transitioning over to CVs from BBs as the capital ships, the second major mistake was not realizing that owing to american industrial capacity, the Japanese fleet would necessarily become the Fleet in Being.

The funny part about the latter critique is that the Japanese themselves realized this, which is why they attempted to destroy the american fleet at Pearl Harbor. They just missed the CVs and misjudged how quickly the Americans could recover (many of the ships at Pearl Harbor were raised and recommissioned. The Arizona was not because everything below the armored deck is gone. Just, gone.)

Lack of advanced radar was also critical in many carrier battles, because their escort ships were too far from the CVs to provide adequate AA. They were instead deployed as a sort of visual early warning system, which, to use the technical description, is hella dumb.

OK, as for the Japanese Army.

The Japanese army was better than whatever the KMT could muster at any given time, and considering that they went from a feudal agrarian isolationist kingdom to a modern global player in the span of about seventy years is a feat unmatched by any other civilization in history. Credit where credit is due.

That said, Their army simply did not compare to the United States technologically or logistically. One of the reasons that the Japanese treated their POWs so poorly is that the way they treated their own enlisted soldiers was barbaric, with corporal and capital punishments being normal, logistic concerns (feeding their troops) being an afterthought, and vicious hazing among the enlisted being rampant. The army was also arrogant and chauvinistic towards their own civilian populace. It makes sense that brutal treatment of enemy and subject civilian populations follows this. If you treat your enlisted men like animals, they behave like animals. The fact that the Kuomintang was acting semi-independently of Tokyo and progressively escalating the conflicts in northern China points to a serious failure of leadership. Their brutal treatment of their nominal Vichy French allies in Indochina is one of the reasons that America was drawn into the war on the side of the Dutch and British.

They did however have some excellent campaigns against the British in Malaya and the invasion of Burma where they managed to use combined arms and tanks effectively.

I don't want to go too far down the road of small-arms, because it tends to be a distraction, but they were severely held back by a lack of automatic weapons, either semi-automatic rifles or submachine guns, which all other major armies had adopted by then. Having different, incompatible cartriges for their machine guns (7.7 SR) and rifles (7.7 rimless) is an example of the sort of problems they faced.

I'll give you Subutai, but Khalid ibn terrorist is a meme and no cares about admirals

>stand in line
>shoots once
>pray hits
>gets wrecked by cavalry/artillery while reloading

napoleonic warfare is a meme desu

You're a meme.

>they had the most advanced navy in the world
>except for one of the biggest technological advances in the entire world

Ayy lmao

The fuck are you saying? I also love this here
>midway
>minor blunder

Losing four near irreplaceable carriers isn't a minor blunder, it's a fucking disaster.

And a stalemate? You've got to be kidding. Let's say that by the power of memes, the US somehow loses every single carrier despite japanese intel being such utter shit that they thought they sank the Yorktown three times. What then? What does Japan do to convince the US not to build the fleet they were already in the process of building? How do they deal with the crippling lack of industry that made every loss hurt ten times as much? What do they do when the shit from the east coast stomps into the pacific?

The plan of hoping that the US would just roll over and give up when there was no threatening naval surface fleet in the Atlantic was harebrained at best.

Because the narrative of Eurobean History is...European.

Maybe if you read other's shit you'd hear of individuals as talented.

Khaled ibn walid a meme
Takes on two of the most powerful empires that ever existed
Btfo outta both
Conquer Iraq from the Sassanids and Syria from the Byzantines

Don't forget being forced to step down by the Caliph because people were starting to believe that he was God.

Giap was a pretty good general

Not saying he didn't do extremly well but both empires were exhausted shells at the point .

George S Patton
Dwight D Eisenhower
Robert E Lee
George C Marshall
Stonewall Jackson
Just to name a few

Imagine what could have been if Davout had been at Waterloo?

But they were still empires and the caliphate was still a desert shithole with no resources and only a few towns.

That is not at all what napoleonic warfare was like.

You have much to learn.

Sorry what was that?

Tell me more about that superior napoleonic warfare please.

>Hannibal
>Tzun Zhu
>Robert E. Lee
>Shaka Zulu

Because wanted a female general, Princess Pingyang of Zhao.

>dad's a loyal general to a dipshit emperor (Yang of Sui) who fucked up invading Vietnam and Korea (he was there)
>get rewarded with being stuck as border patrol... to the Mongol Horde and Turks and whatnot, but does his job so well the invaders basically agree to NOT attack as long as he's in charge of that border
>emperor goes full retard, calls for his arrest
>dad goes "fuck it, i'm too old for this shit" and takes his army to take over the country
>Zhao and her husband hear about it and ran like bats out of hell back home since they were at the Imperial Capital and said husband was the general of the Emperorls Palace Guards
>Zhao has this great idea: sell all the riches and get/train an army!
>IT FUCKIN WORKS
>the new army takes on warlords and shit
>her m.o was to approach these men with offers of cushy officer jobs in her army. If that didn't work, payment in food/dosh. And if they even refused that, IT'S TIME FOR ASSES TO BE KICKED.
>warlords swear allegiance to her army, bandits fucking join, holy fucking shit everyone is so impressed by her resolve and her army that they usually join right after getting their asses kicked
>army is honorable and shit and feeds the population after conquering it, because that's how honorable people roll
>Emperor Dipshit hears about her army and sends his forces to defeat her. They never did.
>links up with her dad and proceed to kick Emperor Dipshit's ass
>dad becomes Emperor of China (he's the guy that started the Tang Dynasty), she becomes an actual fucking general
>dies 2 years later, dad gives her one hell of a military funeral with music, and some bitch of an official goes on about how she was a woman and thus does not deserve any music. Her dad then tells the guy off, saying she fuckin' commanded an actual army and helped him overthrow Emperor Dipshit, so fuck you, she totally deserves her fucking music

That's like saying the US did really well in WW2 but only because the nazis and Japanese were both spread extremely thin and tired by the time we entered the war.

If you look at it the armies both the Byzantines and Sassanids mustered were far larger than Khalid's army and he managed to beat them time and time again being massively outnumbered in each fight

I think by used "Westerners", he's already included American generals.

No umar was worried he'd have enough political clout to become the next caliph. Umar didn't want that because he was still butthurt about the battle of uhud

Wasn't another major mistake their dogged insistence to stick to Kantai Kessen despite it not working out for them?

The Malayan Campaign was a British shitshow from the beginning. Yamashita called it a bluff that worked beyond his wildest dreams.

The Brits simply didn't prepare for armored warfare, even for the fucking tincan tanks the Japanese were using. Their early warning system for air invasions was a literal gamble, and even though they had a 3:1 advantage WHILE DEFENDING WITH ENOUGH AMMO, Percival's staff officers simply fucked everything up.

Let's not even mention how Force Z got sunk by land-based aircraft and how Churchill basically wanted to lose Malaya and Singapore due to "home islands first". Yes, I know about the fucking Blitz and Burma and whatnot.

If it wasn't for Stilwell and his balls, Imperial Japan might have actually gotten All of Burma. This isn't to denigrate Wavell, Auchinleck et al and literally everyone involved in the CBI theater, but really, Stilwell is something.

>Tzun Zhu
>Shaka Zulu
>Robert E. Lee

meme generals

>lives in the West
>wonders why people talk about Western generals

>Robert E. Lee
>Meme

how the fuck was Robert E. Lee not a westener?

Their minor blunder wasn't losing 4 carriers that's obviously a result of the minor blunder which turned into a major one. The reason they lost 4 carriers was because before sending out their air force they switched from land strike to naval strike and left the land strike bombs on the hangars making the carriers easy strike targets.

Had Naguomo simply struck with the land based bombs and harassed the Americans midway and the war would have turned out drastically different and they wouldn't have lost 4 of their carriers

It probably would have been a curb stomp, especially had Grouchy's spot been replaced with Davout

>there are people on Veeky Forums so triggered by the fact that great muslims exist and feel the need to downplay or slander their achievements

This answer is the real meme
Nearly every battle Khalid fought in he was outnumbered, by both the Persians and the Byzantines
This is coming from a Christian who hates the fact that Islamic caliphates took so large a part of the Christian world away. I can still freely admit that they did exceedingly well in their rise to power

Is there any muslim bias in there though, it's not uncommon to inflate numbers to make generals seem more heroic. Look at battle of alesia 300,000 Gauls surrounding 60,000 romans while Rome is sieging also, but Rome still buttfucks, in actuality it's 100,000 while sieging, still fucking amazingly impressive, but 200,000 extra is a bit of a far stretch

Thomas "stonewall" Jackson

Did you read that nimrod 's green text?
His view of Napoleonic warfare was moronic at best.
My response was not a qualitative one, but a criticism on his lack of battlefield tactics and experience.

This applies to all sides of the wars.

>Is there any muslim bias in there though
Of course there is
It's still perfectly reasonable to think that he was outnumbered to some degree

Well what in your opinion makes a general "great"