>Be Tercio >Fight in the first and most dangerous lines for my, my country's and my king's honor >Be literally invincible >Finish off some dirty french/German/english troops >FeelsGlorious.jpeg >Come back to the nearest town singing with my comrades >Drink/Fuck 'til falling sleep >Repeat
Life will never be as good as it was in the Old Tercios.
>Be Tercio >Lose the Netherlands >Lots of inflation
Christian Barnes
HOLLAND HOLLAND HOLLAND
Oliver Long
>being a pikeman with no shield
post antiquity europe will never cease to amaze
Wyatt Long
>implying a shield will stop a charging cavalier >implying a shield will stop a bullet
Luis Perry
t. traitors sea jews
Henry Campbell
>being a pikeman with no shield >post antiquity europe will never cease to amaze Because its not the pikeman's job. Its the Rondello/Targeteer, armed with a bulletproof rondella/target, sword and pistol.
>implying a shield will stop a charging cavalier That is the pike and musket's job >implying a shield will stop a bullet Of course it would, if you carried the right shield.
They were the first line in a pike formation for hundreds of years, acting as the melee defense and counter offensive.
Why does Veeky Forums always suck so badly at history?
Austin Foster
Except they weren't.Nobody else was using shieldmen at all, and the rodelleros themselves were phased out of use fairly rapidly.
Plate curiasses do the job better.
Julian Wilson
Fucking Wallonian pieces of shit.
Luis Young
>Except they weren't >Nobody else was using shieldmen at all Except they were, Especially the Spanish, Italians and English.
Hell, the English RAMoA still drilled and equipped them until the late 1650's, with the Order of the Target Argent being formed as an award for targeteers in the 30 years war, where they were used to great effect.
Wrong period.
Cameron Price
The first time a Tripfag isn't actually a fag.
David Gomez
England took it too far, it seems. The mainland slashed and puffy style was quite nice, why do the Brits look like a bunch of turkeys?
John Barnes
I got yer tercio right here buddy
Levi Stewart
Gropey is consistently good. He's a Veeky Forums tripfag who actually works at museums and does HEMA and shit.
Andrew Richardson
>be Tercio in Rocroi >"fuck fuck we're about to lose" >Enghien raises his sword >think he wants to start another attack >shoot >Frenchmen are pissed off >"well, we WILL lose" >get shot/stabbed/french'd
Ethan Wood
I recall reading some story about a pikeman commander during the 16th/17th centuries who was part of a battle that saw more people dead within one day than any year in the Vietnam conflict. The commander made it out with 64(?) wounds, and didn't even have any form of PTSD, even went back to fighting, IIRC. Anyone save the capture?
Kayden Collins
Sounds like pseudo-historical nationalist Veeky Forums wankery
Charles Martinez
I saw a webm that showed the Push of Pike posted a few weeks ago. Two tericos approached each other and then began jabbing at each other when they got to stabbing range. Meanwhile, a bunch of guys in light armor and armed with knives were running around under the pikes, pulling people out of the enemy formation or trying to kill an occupied pikeman or two. Can anyone post it or post sauce?
God that makes me twitch... That is exactly what targeteers were there to prevent.
Makes a great movie scene, but is shitty history.
Nicholas Davis
>Because its not the pikeman's job wrong >Its the Rondello/Targeteer wrong
hi gropey.
Jackson Watson
That armor is stylish, I always thought everyone wore a sallet with full armor plate gear.
Would definitely like to make this guy in Dark Souls 3 if I could.
Luis Brown
>Gropey provides sources and works in museums >user just says wrong and claims all other anons are Gropey.
Stay classy, faggot. Targeteers protected the pike and muskets until they were slowly replaced with more muskets.
Isaac Robinson
>viggo mortensen speaks perfect spanish is there anything this man can't do
Jacob Lee
That was my opinion too but recently I was talking about the movie with various spaniards and it wasn't perfect enough. Too "sudaca". Spanish speakers are very picky with the accents.
Ryder Ortiz
He hasn't posted a single citation buddy
Julian Rodriguez
>that dude saying "gabacho de mierda"
Every fucking time.
Jordan Sanchez
Piss off. Gropes is tops.
The same could be said for any language. If an English character spoke with a thick American southern drawl around actors who spoke with London posh it would be distracting.
Lincoln Gutierrez
>The Royal Armoury Manual of Arms is not a source
Amerifat detected.
Im not your buddy, pal.
Connor Watson
But I see australian and english actors constantly in american movies and they don't always represent english or australian people. I'm sure they have an accent, even if minimal.
For example I'm sure some spaniards would complain about Russel being Gladiator if, for some kind of magic, the movie was spanish and the actor argentinian or mexican.
Cooper Walker
He made a generalization and gave one citation, yes; but he hasn't given a single source. Why am I even arguing this, I have no stake in this argument. Also, stop sucking his dick so much
Evan Mitchell
The Spanish actually Brought back rodeleros and the colunella great effect against enemy tercio, and it is a matter of national pride to the Spanish. Quit being a nigger just because a clown touched your peepee when you were a child.
Justin Kelly
Real fucking good citation there, did you forget the trip?
Isaac Bennett
>get called out wrong be several people >must be samefagging Gropey doesn't post at this hour. Stay mad, user. >inb4 im Gropey
Samuel Anderson
Nuestras escuelas no nos fallan. Read a book.
Luke Jones
Maybe you should suggest one
Parker Gomez
Do you read Spanish well?
Camden Garcia
Maybe against kingdoms not against the spanish one, see the battle of Nordlingen.
And btw: "The se early units were moving fortresses that could put up a fight on all sides; the pikes would deal with any incoming enemy horse (the shot units would hide between them for the duration) whilst the marksmanship of the Spanish harquebusiers and musketeers usually gave them the upper hand in fire-fights. But the waste of firepower and manpower in the deep-ranking escuadrónes became unsustainable after the Mauritian reforms which influenced military thinking all over Europe. The Spanish were the first to adapt though, initiating various reforms that have wrongfully been attributed to Prince Maurice, King Gustavus II Adolphus and other famous reformers. As stated in the excellent Osprey book The Spanish Tercios 1534-1704"
Kayden Lee
>two days old tercio thread >noone has posted the Last Tercio painting
What a shame
Wyatt Fisher
gropey sure was upset today
Robert Brown
Those are sallets son.
Michael Cox
Says the samefag.
Andrew Hill
Rocroi.
End of the Tercio.
Isaac Evans
They're full of shit because viggo spoke it the way spoke it back then, and how the educated and aristocracy speak it in most countries today still.
Matthew Roberts
Hey communist What's a matter, got tired of shitposting on full/pol/?
Gavin Roberts
>be Lope de Vega >be the most proliferous writer in the Spanish language >be the best writer of all time >be nation-regarded soldier >live in the most powerful capital of the most powerful empire during it's historical peak >make Cervantes your bitch time and TIME again to the point that he avoided public live >have Góngora and Quevedo, the biggest dicks in Spanish history, respect you >be absolute womanizer that has several noblemen after your head >repeat Name just one person in history that lived life to such extent as Lope de Fucking Vega.
Levi Scott
I was at work.
Primary Sources: *Pallas Armata or Military Instructions for the Learned, Sir Thomas Kellie (1627) *Four (edited) German Diaries from the 30 years war mdsz.thulb.uni-jena.de/sz/index.php *The Exercise of Arms, Jacob de Gheyn (1607)
Secndary Sources *Great Ages of Man: The Age of Kings, Time Life Books *War and Society in Early Modern Europe 1495–1715, Frank Tallet *Weapon: A Visual History of Arms and Armor, DK Books in conjunction with the Royal Armouries *The Cambridge Illustrated History of Warfare: The Triumph of the West By Geoffrey Parker *The Thirty Years War: A Documentary History, Tryntje Helfferich
Nicholas Roberts
Well, fuck my ass. Props, clownfag.
Alexander Peterson
Thank you
Jack Wright
Thank you based clown.
Parker Ward
>estar un tercio >formar la linea y preparar para luchar contra los putos francos >el hombre al lado de me está matado por una pelota de arma >'no lo soy' empieza tocar
Alexander Murphy
>Tryntje
puir sowl
Kayden Cruz
Tryntje is fucking godlike. If you could only read one book on the 30 years war, his is the one.
>Be me, OP >Post this thread hoping to see some spanish-Tercio love >No one replies >Meh.jpeg >Fast Forward 3 kinda rough days >Come back to Veeky Forums to see what's cooking >"Probably some otoman or roman/greek shit, maybe Stirner douchebaggery" >Scroll down to see my trusty badass Tercio >49 replies >OHSHIT.MP4
I've read everything. From Gropey defending the Tercios ways to the Lope de Vega "have Góngora and Quevedo, the biggest dicks in Spanish history, respect you" pasta and the glorious mention of the Alatriste movie. No mentions of the books tho. Captain Alatriste is the most badass antihero to have ever been written.
Thank you anons. You made my morning, and by extent my day, so much easy to endure.
"Nunca temeré si va en columna el Tercio"
Justin Cruz
Just downloaded it on my kindle. Thanks anons.
Asher Jones
You mean to say this: >ser un terico >formar una linea y preparar para luchar contra los putos francos >el hombre a mi lado me está matando con su arma >"no lo soy" empieza a tocar
Colton Cruz
he literally wrote like 500 plays. insane.
Christian Roberts
Act
Nathaniel Gray
was it common in spanish writers of that time to also be soldiers?
Mason Walker
It wasn't just common, it was expected. Check old paintings and you'll see that every man of science or culture had the "Cruz de Santiago".
Mason Sanders
>They're full of shit because viggo spoke it the way spoke it back then >Viggo has an argie accent >an accent that came to be from the massive Italian immigration long after the Tercios No, no Viggo does look the part, no doubt, but he sound like Messi. Spaniards did not speak like that. >and how the educated and aristocracy speak it in most countries today still. Is this a fucking joke? Only people who speak like that are the Southern Cone of the Américas.
Levi Bennett
That or clerics.
Jaxon Gutierrez
Yeah. check out Garcilazo de la Vega. I think the close relationship with death is one of the things that made the siglo de oro writers so great.
Dylan Diaz
>make Cervantes your bitch time and TIME again to the point that he avoided public live
nop. He saw it comming, he saw that he will be forever the second one, the trully goat fucked him hard in the ass with his only hand. Also Quevedo's butthurt produced by Cervantes is so epic.... Success breeds jealousy.
Brayden Hernandez
>literally wearing a shield strapped to his torso and upper legs
Ryder Sanders
Or both, like Lope.
Ryder Walker
Did you both try to say it badly?
Juan Robinson
Soldiers and duelist, Quevedo killed a man during a sword duel. One of the reasons he used to mess with Gongora was indeed that, being a bon vivant and not a knight or man at arms
Jason Harris
>being this dense Half the thread was about this subject. Read before replying.
Connor Adams
>nop. He did. Not being as popular doesn't mean anything in regards to quality of his work. People know Shakespeare more than any other English writer, but he is not the best.
Bentley Wilson
Turns out, it was saves in my phone He got 46 wounds, not 64
Josiah Powell
Por dios, chorizos, dejáme:
>ser tercio >formar la línea y preparar para luchar contra los malditos francos (que se quemen eternamente en las llamas oscuras de satanás) >el hombre a mi lado está matado por culpa de una pelota disparada desde las líneas francas >"no lo soy" empieza a tocar
VIVA CRISTO REY
Charles Barnes
Weren't most of the "Flandes tercios" actual flemish?
Liam Butler
Brutal
Jose Butler
Everyone in Spain with some sort of status was usually a warrior or had a warrior background. It was regarded as the most noble profession armt the time.
Thomas James
The Spanish tercios,the elite,were just Spaniards and Irish. The least prestigious tercios were foreigners. Until Rocroi,the Spanish tercios were undefeated or close to it for over 100 years.
Jack Rodriguez
>and Irish What?
Henry Wright
Warfare has always been brutal.
Jason Hill
I saw Alatriste and they called the Low Countries hell on earth, why's that?
Joshua Fisher
Indeed, it has been documented that Lope de Vega wrote more than 1500 plays. He was called ''the Monster of Nature'' because that, and because the freaking quantity of illegimate children he had.
In Siglo de Oro Madrid there was this phrase: ''I believe in God in Heaven and in Lope de Vega in Earth''.
One day I should create a Siglo de Oro thread because the butthurt between authors is so lel.
Coming back to Tercios, El Gran Capitán Gonzalo Fernandez de Cordoba invented them when he kicked french asses and gave Naples to Ferninand the Catholic. He just added the new invented fire weapons to roman legion structures. It worked.
Adrian Davis
Soldiers or clerics. Or both.
Soldiers: Cervantes, Garcilaso, Quevedo Clerics: Gongora, Baltasar Gracián Both soldiers and clerics: Lope de Vega, Calderon de la Barca
Henry White
There was also one Tercio maritime unit.
This was the one which battled in Lepanto with based Don Juan de Austria
Isaac Rodriguez
Spaniards liked Irish. They were the only foreigners allowed to join the Spanish tercios. The truth be told I dont know why.
Mason Richardson
>España es mi natura >Italia mi ventura >Flandes mi sepultura
Tercios were recluited in Italy where they trained (and raped France armies for decades), then they went to Flandes.
They were invincible until Rocroi, still lots of soldiers died from injuries or illness. Add that to lack of payment because bankrupts (yet Tercios were truly profesional, they battled against the enemy and only after that they reclaimed their money)
Evan Jenkins
Soldiers just went there to fight. On top of that in the period of the movie,it was a 2 front war,with France and the Dutch. It was basically a death sentence,as they were outnumbered and outguned,but they somehow still managed to kickass. That is why the prestige of the Spanish Tercios in Flandes was so high,and they are the most well known Tercios,even in this day.
>Pope tries to build an united christian army against Turks >Frenchs betray Catholics again and helps Turks because ''screw religion, I want the power'' >Protestatism being protestatism >Only get Spain and Venice >Based Juan de Austria >Based Cervantes, fighting despise being ill and getting shot in his left arm >Completely win against a bigger muslim naval army
Easton King
Thanks for the quality thread OP
Ryder Russell
hello again gropey
Mason Morris
So does anyone have a video or pics explaining the disposition of the tercio in action ? I know they're picks and muskets combined but how are exactly disposed the men for fighting ?
Do the picks go first and musketeers fire from behind them or is it alternate ?
Bentley Morris
The >holy >roman >empire had to be dealt with first user. Based Soliman gladly helped our François and we regret nothing
Nolan Martinez
>ywn be a Condottiero
Liam Parker
Tercios didnt have the same formation and disposition,during the 150 years that they were active. At first they were born as way to counter France army durong the Italian wars,that was chavalry heavy. So the first tercios were born as purely antichavalry units,with use of gunpowder,which increased theough time, and pikemen in a square formation. There were also auxiliary units like Rodeleros,that usually crolled through the enemy's infantry cutting their heels with knives when they engaged combat.
Lincoln Evans
Nice thanks. How are the pikemen supposed to effectively defend the musketeers from cavalry on your pic though
>Rodeleros
Damn that's nasty
Mason Morris
Archebusiers usually hided when cavalry charged and they shots were made. They usually waited until cavalry was close to shot,and then they moved back. They also had their own melee weapons and were pretty well trained in that aspect too. Yeah,rodeleros destroyed the swiss pikemen in the Italian wars,as the Pikemen could do very little to them.
Hunter Robinson
Why the hell did they use both archebuses and muskeets at the same freaking time?
David Kelly
It's probably due to the fact archebuses are lighter and cost less than muskets, but are still effective against unarmored infantry. Muskets are heavier and more costly but fire bigger shots