Caesar

Caesar
>slaughtered 2 millions Gaul
Genghis Khan
>70 millions
Timur
>20 millions

>Hitler
muh 6 millions, war criminal, most evil man in history

So Adolf just born at wrong time and wrong place ?

They killed those guys.

Hitler killed his own guys.

But come on. He was a white man born into the modern age in the western world. He should've known better.

>implying Hitler only killed Jews

The civilian death toll of the German rampage was at least 20 million

Without sounding like Carlin, noone knows the names of Caesar, Khan or Timurs victims. There aren't survivors of their atrocities still alive today.

you can say he was asking for it :^)

>Another Hitler thread

The reason the holocaust is historically significant is not because of the number, but because of why and how he ended up killing them

Everyone else you mentioned killed people as a result of military campaigns. Sure, they may have slaughtered innocent people along with their enemies, but that's been common in human experience since time immemorial. They were killed because they were in the way, and for no other reason. A tragedy for sure, but not uniquely evil.

The Holocaust is unique because, first of all, it occurred at a time when the West had convinced itself that they were past something like that. Civilian casualties may be unavoidable in warfare, but the Europeans convinced themselves that such killings should be minimised as much as possible, as indiscriminately slaughtering innocents for the sake of slaughtering innocents was not something civilised people did. The Holocaust was shocking because, not only did the Germans not care about killing innocents, they went out of their way and dedicated valuable resources to the unceasing slaughter of innocent people until they could physically no longer do it, as if it was more important than the war itself. It was heretofore unthinkable that a "civilised" European nation would do such a thing.

Secondly, it was significant because of how it was carried out. The Holocaust took the greatest accomplishment of the modern era - the Industrial Revolution - and perverted it, took the foundation of the 20th century and used it to commit barbaric atrocities of an unprecedented scale. The same techniques that had been used to create the railroad, the automobile, and the airplane were used not to create or advance, but to destroy and regress back into the Dark Ages - except the sheer scale of it far surpassed anything that could have been accomplished in the Dark Ages.

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Thirdly, it was significant because of the population it targeted. Yes, disabled people, gays, and gypsies were also killed, but it's undeniable that the Jews were its main focus. The Holocaust killed a full 66% of Europe's population - whole Jewish communities, like the Sephardim communities in the Balkans, were made virtually extinct. But more than that, it represented something fundamental about European society taken to its logical conclusion. For a thousand years, Europeans had persecuted Jews, almost for sport. From the Rhineland massacres to the Inquisition to the Russian pogroms, the Jews were regularly singled out and persecuted by Western Europe for millenia. They were blamed for virtually every misfortune - unexplained disappearances of small children, the Black Death, the Great Depression. It was actually acceptable to characterise oneself as "anti-Semitic" in public, and a good portion of the population of Europe vaguely disliked, if not despised, Jews. This was the result of a multitude of factors - religious tension, perceived racial superiority, suspicion of insular and isolated communities, jealousy at their successes, continued frustration at their inability to solve the "Jewish question" - but it all came to a head in the Holocaust. Upon its conclusion and discovery by the wider world, the Holocaust shocked Europe by showing it the logical conclusion of their views. The acts of incomprehensible brutality and inhumanity to man that characterised the Holocaust were so sickening and revolting to Europeans partly because they realised that the views they'd held up until this point had made it possible. European society had always viewed the Jews as lesser than other Europeans, second-class citizens at best and subhuman at worst, but the Holocaust forced them to confront the fact that Jews were human beings like any other. The Jewish question wasn't a question at all, because the Jews were just people - they weren't even foreigners, really.

All of this, and then the fact that your OP doesn't even make sense. You act like your average joe doesn't immediately view Genghis Khan as a barbaric, war mongering villain, or Caesar as the original corrupt iron fist dictator.

>It doesn't matter HOW many people he killed, it matters what TYPES of people he killed, because obviously 6 million is much more historically significant when studying a slaughter than Genghis Khan or Timur or Attila because Jews are much more important! The chosen people, after all!

aww

Who cares?
The holocaust isn't even that big of a deal. Hollywood makes it a big deal

60 million people died in world war 2, it's not just Jews

tl;dr: Genghis, Timur, Mao-the or whoever killed for practical reasons legitimaly (for their time), Hitler killed for keks in time when killing was shamed most

you didn't even read what I posted did you

There is truth to that, but they aren't viewed as vile villains. If you watch any film about those two, generally they're either heroic or at least moderate, usually not villainous.

Hitler is almost always a villain when he's featured in any media. You also don't see people referring to someone oppressive/despicable by calling them a "Mongol" or "Legionnaire" like you would with a Nazi. Nazi's are, for the most part, universally seen as evil whereas the Roman and Mongolians are not.

I literally gave a two post explanation as to why it's important

>slaughtered 2 millions Gaul
he only killed 1 million, but away Gauls count double in Europe

No, they didn't kill for practical reasons. There were countless innocents they could have spared.

What was the practical reasoning for the Cultural Revolution and Sack of Baghdad, other than sheer assholery?

I hope you're joking.

Mao actually killed them through sheer incompetence, but yeah, that's my first point summed up. The other points are that he used the fundamental basis for modern civilisation to do it (the industrial revolution) and that Europeans were finally forced to confront the fact that Jews were actually human beings and that this single act of incomprehensible evil was actually the culmination of a full millenium of smaller acts of evil that persisted into the "enlightened" modern day. This forced Europe to critically re-examine the rest of their culture and history, and this re-examination was probably a contributing factor in decolonisation.

Maybe not him, but those tens of thousands of German girls who got gang raped as the war ended and Hitler was sucking on the business end of a Walther, just maybe.

Thanks, Dolphie!

the thing is that by the 20th century Europeans thought they were above all that
also the other two reasons

Their only crimes were being too strong for their enemies.

I can understand that, but I don't get how something like the Sack of Baghdad was done for "practical" purposes. The Mongols didn't gain anything from literally destroying the House of Wisdom.

The vast majority of the people they killed were during military campaigns. If the OP mentioned specific acts, I would've discussed those.