Techwear General

is down better than poly for insulating a winter jacket? i see both used and poly seems just as expensive sometimes
any pros/cons of either?

down, when very high quality, is best. however, it does not respond well to prolonged moisture an people are put off by possibility of animal cruelty

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thanks. that's a cool parka

Is this a rick owens fishtail? Cant tell exactly, but the drawstrings kinda gave me the idea that it was

ID on anything please

this nigga would look fucking ridiculous irl, he looks like a fucking villain or something, where da fuck u go dressed like that

You guys might laugh but I just picked up this. So fucking nice. Can have it so it heats the entire jacket or just pockets. Lasts about 6 hours. Plus it has 2 USB ports and a flashlight. I also appreciate that it's not to gaudy with giant wrenches and shit all over it like most other stuff they sell.

wtc boots?

That's cool. Wish I had saved those pics of those Levi's tech jackets they made like 10 years ago.

berghain

Found some info.

>Back in 2000, Levi’s produced the world’s first commercial wearable electronics garment jacket – that looked like an extension of a slide rule pocket protector. The ICD+ jacket served as portal for all the tech essentials of the time; specialist pockets for MP3 players, cell phones cables, and a microphone and earphones built into the collar. Touch the collar and your phone flickers on. Tap your pocket and the CD player comes to life.

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Oh wow lol, well you gotta start somewhere.

drmartens.com/us/p/originals-boots-smooth-1914

Just docs.

Did this precede Errolson's work for Burton back in 2002?

yea late 90s early 00s

thinking about copping this jacket cop or not

I mean is this still considered techweary ?

> 2 Coats

this dude looks like a shady french art dealer

Any pants? I have shoes,jacket hat hoodie everything but some nice tekkk joggers or smthing like that

down is warmer but poly is better for wet conditions, either from in- or outside. So it depends on the use case what's better.

Lol I thought the same thing

For a black shell you have quiet some options, this being one of the cheapest and most pleb. Very entry level

>got that Matisse 2 for 5

Last week I was blessed by the gods and got that white Nike ACG jacket from last year for fucking £70 in an outlet. I was thirsting for it heavy last year when it was £500+ but so glad I waited. Makes you wonder how wide their profit margins are but I'm guessing my local outlet just fucked up.

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overtech

toytech

c/n

There's really four main types of fill insulation going on.

Down compresses down really small and traps heat like a motherfucker, it'll be the warmest for given weight and bulk. It's also extremely durable; a down insulator has a useful life of decades. The down itself doesn't really wear out, it just might leak out the shell fabric or the shell fabric wears out.

Down does not insulate when wet; you can die this way. This goes even if the outside fabric is waterproof, because you'll be sweating into it, so it's not best for high activity. A waterproof outside makes it harder for the sweat to get through the down. Recently, people have been treating down with water repellent and that mitigates but doesn't eliminate the issue. Down also requires special care and, if it does get wet, takes forever to get usably dry.

Down usually comes specified at a "fill power," which isn't really how warm it is, more like how efficient it is at warmth for the given amount of it because of how it's packed in. 650 is standard, 750+ is excellent, anything under 550 is trash and won't even be labeled*. You'll see some very high end stuff with low-ish fill powers for the price, but there's fairly complicated but proper design reasons for that I won't get into.

* Since this is Veeky Forums, I feel the need to mention that not everything unlabeled falls in that category. Fashion houses usually don't bother but use good down; Uniqlo's Ultra Light Down is always IIRC at least 600 and is a genuinely decent budget option.

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st/a/ndard

hoodlum

Oh, also: down being really compressible means it won't insulate for shit when it's under pressure, e.g. underneath backpack straps.

To deal with the drawbacks and risks of down, people often use loose, short filament synthetic polyester insulation. This is pretty good stuff, insulates even when wet, and the best stuff is about as warmth:weight/bulk efficient as 550 down, and it's cheaper.

The main problem is durability. Whenever it's compressed, it's damaged slightly, even if you're leaning against a wall or something. Over time, its ability to insulate breaks down. Supposedly the good stuff lasts five years, but in real use it only goes about two winters. If you're a total casual whose use case is going from building to car to parking lot to building with as many layers as you want, it doesn't really matter that the jacket gets colder every year to a certain point, but it sucks if you use it /out/ or in an urban area or whatever.

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There's also continuous filament synthetic polyester insulation, and this stuff is the shit. It's basically wadded sheets of long polyester fibers. It's slightly less warmth/weight efficient and compressible as the loose, short filament polyester fill, and slightly less durable than down, but for an all-around, not special purpose insulator, I think it provides the best balance.

Because we can't have nice things, few jackets have it, the main use is in sleeping bags.

Two more things to note: it has a slightly more rigid drape than down or short filament insulation, which is part of why people use it less but it's *fine*, you'd never look askance at it. It also doesn't require quilting to make it not fall to the bottom of the garment like down or short filament insulation does, so construction can be more simple and/or weather resistant, and the design can have cleaner lines. Pic related, from Acronym, uses Climashield Apex, the best of this stuff.

This is the only good thing here because it's not techwear, minus boots.

Everything else looks retarded.

paper

where can I get this hoodie (or somethin similar)

nasty

Finally, there's a new class of synthetic insulation, usually called "breathable insulation" or "active insulation" or something like that. It's technically continuous filament, and shares the durability, but instead of trying to emulate down, it's very similar to fleece. Instead of trying to get the most warmth in the lightest weight and smallest space, it tries to both trap heat in when you're not active, and let heat and sweat out when you're moving. It's designed to be a single, no-fuss, keep-it-on-all-the-time in stop-and-go activity – originally it was invented for US special operations soldiers to wear under body armor and load bearing equipment they couldn't take off to adjust layers while in the middle of shit. If you're cool with layering in windy, low activity conditions, it's extremely practical for all-around use.

Not everything badged "active insulation" is this stuff, some of it is short filament stuff designed differently but with the same goal.

Finally, you'll see unusual stuff from time to time – e.g. wool used instead of polyester, heavier but comparable to continuous filament insulation. The wool's more odor resistant. Some extremely non-technical jackets use cotton in the same way, which really doesn't have any advantages.

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Opinions on Uniqlo Blocktech for casual techwear

leg straps are too loose

Hey guys, I need some help deciding on a pair of shoes to match with these Binding Pants i got from index. I like a more relaxed style with hints of technical pieces. Right now i'm between the nike air rifts and the converse chuck 2's with mesh backed leather. I feel like the rifts may be too much but i've seen some fits online that are very relaxed and casual that look really good with them. If anyone has any better recs let me know.

Pic related: Rifts. They have that two toe design

converse

Finally another techwear thread I've been waiting. What do you guys think of white mountaineering? They got some pretty interesting prints,
This is no lie pretty dope
Dam I wish I found some ACG or gyak at an outlet maybe I'll start going to them more often.
id on jacket pls
Out of the 2 I'd go with the rifts but I think some air prestos, sock darts, or acrnm af1s would really nice with those pants

nice buy

Nice info, thanks.

really hate the pants and shoes on this. bottom half is so crappy

I have a blocktech parka. kept me dry for 30 minutes in moderate rain. blocks wind well too. was good for $60 on sale. looks ok too but the hood isnt designed very well when worn up

These pants are great. I want a pair.

Ok, cool. I don't have enough money for ACR AF1s but I would rather get something that not every other tech junkie has, like the prestos and sock dart. es._.ke recently modded some darts that gave me some inspo so I think I might mod some vans or something

The "seeulater"s or whatever they're called looked pretty cool. Only a few pairs left for $150 on some retail site

yes if you can pull it off

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c/n?

not really tech but i guess it can work with loose fit cropped pants and some slip on sneakers or sandals

I was tempted to cop this when it came out but it's verging dangerously close to costume, I don't think I could pull it off

>“Gray Man” (Unobtrusive) (Veilance, Outlier)

What is "gray man"? Just simply someone who wears a ton of gray pieces all at once?

Genuinely very curious, by the way.

Does anyone have any gray man inspo? Or links to gray man sites?

its a william gibson term for like a low key operator

>its a william gibson term
No it isn't, it's common term in security and other such businesses
And it's not really 'low key' it's literally blending in an looking like someone that's hard to remember, you want to obscure as much as features as possible while still looking like you aren't actually hiding anything.
On unrelated note I still find it hilairous no one even mentions the brands that do the acutally most technical and functional brands in these threads.
The 'outdoors' brand list is especialyl funny as it just shows people don't actually do any research in to the brands or technical clothing, it's just the 3 meme brands they see people mentioning on fashion discussion forums.

>no one even mentions the brands that do the acutally most technical and functional brands in these threads
do enlighten us then

>it's common term in security and other such businesses
stopped reading right there lol
Learn to write English and using generalizations like "other such businesses" makes you look really dumb btw :)

>The 'outdoors' brand list is especialyl funny as it just shows people don't actually do any research in to the brands or technical clothing, it's just the 3 meme brands they see people mentioning on fashion discussion forums.
>TNF and Patagonia make clothes that have taken explorers and mountaineers to Everest and back
>meme brands

Confirmed retard.

Wonder what triggered this little reddit kuck so hard?

Is this an evolution of the goof ninja?

Oh I see, thank you.. Wm. Burroughs also used "gray man" in that same sense of being so bland as to be invisible and impossible to recall in detail. I would guess that's probably where Gibson picked up the phrase. Anyway, for some reason I was thinking it was just someone who likes to wear outfits with a gray palette.

I don't actually know the proper words in English for the different businesses so I generalized it like that, it's most common in security, especially in stuff like protecting single targets while undercover. Weird thing to get butthurt though, I think I communicated my point still, don't you think?
What I meant is no one ever even mentions any other 'outdoorsy' brands in fashion forums, which is why that list contains only those 3, as people don't bother to do research because it's easier to repeat things people have just said in the past. But I feel like that's one of the biggest issues of techwear in especially, people are close minded as heck to what you are supposed to wear and what brands to wear.
Not to mention discussing about the matter is impossible as people become hostile immediately you mention anything negative, which is weird as fuck, I mean obviously I hit too close to home because people got mad but why do you have to take that comment so personally is beyond me.

Suggest more brands to look up!

Contribute to the thread or fuck off.
>hurr hurr no one knows as much as me
is not a contribution

Nice blog post. It's not a definitive list, they were obviously just examples. Do you have autism?

>I mean obviously I hit too close to home because people got mad but why do you have to take that comment so personally is beyond me.
how could anything you said "hit too close to home" to anyone? you just talked yourself up. your posts are shit and people are shitting on you more, which triggers you to get even more defensive

There are ton of outdoor brands that you can find lot of great individual pieces and some that even as a whole work great for techwear, Fjällräven for example falls to the very similar 'heritage' category as Patagonia, on the other hand there are contemporary Swedish outdoor brands, like Houdini sportswear that has more techy look to it.
Then something like Oakley and Burton are arguably doing the number one technically most advanced clothing at the moment, the brethability and waterproofnes of their shells are pretty much above anything else on the market, are light as fuck, don't obstruct your movement the least while still having very contemporary and minimal look. Ski and snowboard brands also make some of the best midlayers no contest because they have been doing them for ages with performance in mind while retaining price point that their customers still can afford.
And people seem to be trying to find techy cargos all the time, which are the bread and butter any hiking brands, Norröna, Lundhags, Haglöfs and Bergans just to name a few. All of the mentioned brands have several models to choose even and at different price points, because they are made for hiking, lot of them also have ways to adjust the pants to customize the fits.

>Contribute to the thread or fuck off.
I'm starting to start discussion here but like I already mentioned it's hard because for some reaosn people are super hostile and take posts like that personally which is silly.
>mention people are too lazy to research and just jerk it to the ready established brands they see mentioned on fahsion forums
I feel like that is the case
>your posts are shit
Hey at least I'm talking about the subject and trying to start a discussion, you are just sitting here insulting me which I feel like is brining even less to the thread.

you are focused on snowboarding and skiing shit in a techwear thread which is focused mostly on urban settings. you'll look pretty stupid walking around in burton gear in a CBD dude. don't you think so? mixing in outdoor brands here and there like a shell or something is one thing. advocating crap like Bergans is another...

>oakley
>number one technically most advanced clothing at the moment
>pic related
lmao
Thanks for the opinions bud

>you are focused on snowboarding and skiing shit in a techwear thread
Partly, due to zero exposure ever to any of those, also hiking brands and general outdoor brands.
> you'll look pretty stupid walking around in burton gear in a CBD dude
I highly disagree, they are making minimal looking simple stuff, their jackets aren't that different from say TNF or Arc'Teryx gear. And this is sorta what I'm talking about when I said people are close minded when it comes to techwear, you immediately claim it looks 'stupid' because it's not something that's commonly on your radar in the context of techwear. Do tell why Bergans is shit too, just another outdoor brand among others, they make simple black technical clothing akin to TNF or Patagonia, I don't see why it's any worse or better other than having less brand regocnition especially in 'techwear community'
Damn fucking roasted me man.

Where can I get some Tech pants?

First, define what you mean. What do you expect to come from the pants you wear?

>What do you expect to come from the pants you wear?
anything that can handle biking and a ton of rain

Veeky Forums, what are the warmest rain proof pants I can afford? My price range is $250-300 max.

Need this for actual purposes of working in the field, but I want to look good after work as well. Going to be packing a very minimal wardrobe so flexible is ideal.

Outlier

meh they dont taper enough and are too bike messengery

lol, thats my old supervisor when he use to work at uniqlo with me.

same guy, my old supervisor from uniqlo. i know for sure its either Wtaps or undercover

dont matter. entire bottom half is acronym.

>tfw you can't be tech no matter what you do because you are 5'6" and have enormous 22 inch shoulders
I wish I could be tiny like an asian.

short and squat i think can work. maybe easier than tall and thin for this style

You can't layer anything if you're me. And you can barely find jackets that are flattering. A lot of the times I need to buy a Large or XL jacket just for my shoulders to fit. It looks stupid because my waist is a medium, so the jacket looks oversized and overly long in that area.