The more I read about the Soviet Union's rise and downfall the more I lean on the belief that it wasn't Communism's fault but just Russians being retarded.
The more I read about the Soviet Union's rise and downfall the more I lean on the belief that it wasn't Communism's...
Jose Johnson
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Connor Lopez
common mistake bro, everyone makes it: the assumption of human stupidity.
Lincoln Brown
This is what every communist sympathizing cuck says about every failed communist state.
It doesn't work.
Luke Powell
On the contrary it worked perfectly well
> A remarkable 72% of Hungarians say that most people in their country are actually worse off today economically than they were under communism. Only 8% say most people in Hungary are better off, and 16% say things are about the same. In no other Central or Eastern European country surveyed did so many believe that economic life is worse now than during the communist era. This is the result of almost universal displeasure with the economy. Fully 94% describe the country's economy as bad, the highest level of economic discontent in the hard hit region of Central and Eastern Europe. Just 46% of Hungarians approve of their country's switch from a state-controlled economy to a market economy; 42% disapprove of the move away from communism. The public is even more negative toward Hungary's integration into Europe; 71% say their country has been weakened by the process
pewresearch.org
> The most incredible result was registered in a July 2010 IRES (Romanian Institute for Evaluation and Strategy) poll, according to which 41% of the respondents would have voted for Ceausescu, had he run for the position of president. And 63% of the survey participants said their life was better during communism while only 23% attested that their life was worse then. Some 68% declared that communism was a good idea, just one that had been poorly applied
balkanalysis.com
>Glorification of the German Democratic Republic is on the rise two decades after the Berlin Wall fell. Young people and the better off are among those rebuffing criticism of East Germany as an "illegitimate state." In a new poll, more than half of former eastern Germans defend the GDR.
Landon Ramirez
>people who were brainwashed their whole lives with communist propaganda are still brainwashed by it 20 years later
wow rly makes u thnk
Robert Clark
My friend, it is us in the west who are brainwashed by propaganda. This next one is a big one and will take two posts.
>That the overthrow of socialism has failed to deliver anything of benefit to the majority is plain to see. One decade after counterrevolution skittered across Eastern Europe, 17 former socialist countries were immeasurably poorer. In Russia, poverty had tripled. One child in 10 – three million Russian children – lived like animals, ill-fed, dressed in rags, and living, if they were lucky, in dirty, squalid flats. In Moscow alone, 30,000 to 50,000 children slept in the streets. Life expectancy, education, adult-literacy and income declined. A report by the European Children’s Trust, written in 2000, revealed that 40 percent of the population of the former socialist countries – a number equal to one of every two US citizens – lived in poverty. Infant mortality and tuberculosis were on the rise, approaching Third World levels. The situation, according to the UN, was catastrophic. And everywhere the story was the same. [6, 7, 8, 9]
>Paul Cockshott points out that
>The restoration of the market mechanism in Russia was a vast controlled experiment. Nation, national character and culture, natural resources and productive potential remained the same, only the economic mechanism changed. If Western economists were right, then we should have expected economic growth and living standards to have leapt forward after the Yeltsin shock therapy. Instead the country became an economic basket-case. Industrial production collapsed, technically advanced industries atrophied, and living standards fell so much that the death rate shot up by over a third leading to some 7.7 million extra deaths.
fall of Communism. [15]
Jaxon Sullivan
>It doesn't work.
What about Vietnam and China?
Luke Jackson
> If you were old, if you were a farmer, if you were a manual worker, the market was a great deal worse than even the relatively stagnant Soviet economy of Brezhnev. The recovery under Putin, such as it was, came almost entirely as a side effect of rising world oil prices, the very process that had operated under Brezhnev. [10]
>While the return of capitalism made life harsher for some, it proved lethal for others. From 1991 to 1994, life expectancy in Russia tumbled by five years. By 2008, it had slipped to less than 60 years for Russian men, a full seven >“Life was better under the Communists,” concludes Aleksandr. “The stores are full of things, but they’re very expensive.” Victor pines for the “stability of an earlier era of affordable health care, free higher education and housing, and the promise of a comfortable retirement – things now beyond his reach.” [12] A 2008 report in the Globe and Mail, a Canadian newspaper, noted that “many Russians interviewed said they still grieve for their long, lost country.” Among the grievers is Zhanna Sribnaya, 37, a Moscow writer. Sribnaya remembers “Pioneer camps when everyone could go to the Black Sea for summer vacations. Now, only people with money can take those vacations.” [13]
Actually three posts.
William Clark
>Ion Vancea, a Romanian who struggles to get by on a picayune $40 per month pension says, “It’s true there was not much to buy back then, but now prices are so high we can’t afford to buy food as well as pay for electricity.” Echoing the words of many Romanians, Vancea adds, “Life was 10 times better under (Romanian Communist Party leader Nicolae) Ceausescu.” [14] An opinion poll carried out last year found that Vancea isn’t in the minority. Conducted by the Romanian polling organisation CSOP, the survey found that almost one-half of Romanians thought life was better under Ceauşescu, compared to less than one-quarter who thought life is better today. And while Ceauşescu is remembered in the West as a Red devil, only seven percent said they suffered under Communism. Why do half of Romanians think life was better under the Reds? They point to full employment, decent living conditions for all, and guaranteed housing – advantages that disappeared with the
Capitalism has failed. Not socialism, crude as it was in the Eastern bloc.
Samuel Young
I doesn't need to be even said that the whole centralised state capitalist enterprise Stalin set up, was doomed to fail.
Khrushchev tried some modest economic reforms but Brezhnev rolled them over. If you want to get specific it was the russian members of the communist nomenclatura that were retarded, even though the Soviet Union had tons of brilliant people and a very good education system.
Josiah Garcia
>94% describe the country's economy as bad
>everybody is brainwashed lol
top teir analysis bro
Gavin Sullivan
well, thats depressing
Anthony Jackson
If you base your opinions on blogposts it's obvious you're a delusional /leftypol/ cuck and it would be a waste of time debating you.
Fuck off to Venezuela, I heard it's real socialist over there.
I bet it would be 100% in North Korea.
Robert Smith
>Vietnam and China
>communism
kek
Caleb Murphy
did the local communist party member molest you or soemthing?
Ethan Young
No, I happen to have an IQ above 80 which allows me not to fall for blatant commie propaganda.
It must be so peaceful to be a braindead moron. I envy you, desu.
Robert Wood
wow once again top teir analysis, can't even name a proper socalist country.
>I bet it would 100% in North Korea
I bet they would too what's your point? Ask them again 30 years after their country is demolished and annexed by South Korea and we can have a proper discussion
Noah Williams
The USSR was great. It modernised the Russian Empire from feudalism to an industrialisation.
The only reason it fell was because it had to spend so much money on the military defending itself from imperialism.
The world would be a better place if the USSR had won the Cold War.
Hudson Kelly
>wow once again top teir analysis
It's "tier", not "teir".
> can't even name a proper socalist country.
Le no true socialist scotsman may may
>I bet they would too what's your point?
My point is that people who live their entire lives under a totalitarian regime will obviously have a biased judgement. Especially if you talk to stupid people like farmers and factory workers.
Try asking the engineers and the doctors how it was to live under the USSR.
Bentley Lee
>The USSR was great. It modernised the Russian Empire from feudalism to an industrialisation.
You know saying this unironically should really be ban worthy.
Christian Clark
It is accurate.
Gabriel Anderson
It really isn't. It's so laughably inaccurate you should kill yourself asap.
John Price
>pew research center
>commie propaganda
Cameron Hughes
It's just nostalgia. Many older people in Czechoslovakia say that comunism was better, but fact is that only things that actually cost more are water and electricity, but everything is cheaper and more accessible. People will always say that past regimes were better even if they clearly weren't.
Nicholas Russell
I didn't say the numbers were communist propaganda you fucking idiot, I said that the people were subject to communist propaganda which obviously clouds their judgement.
I know you probably have the reading comprehension of a 3rd grader (you're a communist after all...) but please make an effort.
Gavin Brown
>blogposts
blog posts with extensive citations.
>, I heard it's real socialist over there.
You must have heard wrong.
Jaxson Flores
>25 years later it still affects them because the ebil gommies are just that powerful
Jace Thomas
>blog posts with extensive citations.
Lmfao
>You must have heard wrong.
Once again
>le no true socialist scotsman may may
Andrew Davis
Yeah, bro.
We should only listen to westerners on what ex-soviet countries are like, they're an unbiased source. Not the people who actually live there, they're just brainwashed commie pinkos.
Charles Garcia
Being indoctrinated for the first half of your life tends to have an effect, yes.
Elijah Nguyen
The USSR was great. It modernised the Russian Empire from feudalism to an industrialisation.
> true
The only reason it fell was because it had to spend so much money on the military defending itself from imperialism.
> sort of true
The world would be a better place if the USSR had won the Cold War.
> false.
Aiden Morris
are you implying Imperal Russia was gonna get off it's ass & modernize itself? the regime was so backwards by 1917 that Japan was outperforming it
Luke Morgan
>We should only listen to westerners on what ex-soviet countries are like, they're an unbiased source.
No, not only westerners. You can listen to Soljenitsyne too.
> Not the people who actually live there, they're just brainwashed commie pinkos.
I wouldn't call them rational liberals, indeed.
I mean do you honestly believe that if you were to interview a north korean right now you'd be talking to an unbiased person?
Asher Thompson
But they clearly are. Eastern Europe is an indefensible shithole, whereas at least in communist days everyone had a house, a job, and something to eat.
Russia has a homeless rate of 3.5% for fucks sake. It is a literal empirical fact that socialism was better.
Grayson Reed
And yet if the free market were such a powerful thing, it would have convinced them of the wrongness of that belief, no?
Luke Kelly
>only engineers & doctors matter
kill yourself
Jason Ross
>Lmfao
Fantastic argument.
>>le no true socialist scotsman may may
Okay then tell me.
How is Venezuela socialist?
Daniel Rodriguez
>are you implying Imperal Russia was gonna get off it's ass & modernize itself?
Yes. Imperial Russia was rapidly industrializing. Where the fuck do you think the proletariat came from? From the factories you fucking idiot.
> the regime was so backwards by 1917 that Japan was outperforming it
Russia had a stronger economy. Japan won a war against them. The Russian army was in bad shape because it was not meritocratic, but aristocratic.
However Russia was still a rapidly modernizing country. And it wasn't a starving shithole, it literally fed all of Europe.
Xavier Wilson
There is a significant difference between someone under a communist regime and someone asked about it 25 years later
Bentley Miller
It's hard to give up your beliefs. Ask any religious person.
Their opinions matter more because they're smarter.
>Fantastic argument.
Well if that's your standard of evidence, here's my rebuttal : stormfront.org
>How is Venezuela socialist?
They nationalized the whole economy, disbanded the price system in favor of rationing, etc.
Christopher Parker
All right. Imagine if North Korea fell tomorrow. What do you think elderly north koreans would think of North Korea in 25 years?
Carter Baker
>old farts are nostalgic about their youth
STOP THE PRESSES AND BRING BACK COMMUNISM YO
Connor Ramirez
And if the communist regimes were that bad, they would only have given lip service to those beliefs in the first place
James Gomez
Okay so we should listen to westerners and one guy from the USSR but not the actual population. Brilliant.
>I mean do you honestly believe that if you were to interview a north korean right now you'd be talking to an unbiased person?
If I was talking to them in a couple of decades after North Korea had collapsed I would fully expect their testimony on what life was like before vs. after such a situation to be worth considering.
I mean if it was really that awful, and capitalism is so great, then clearly they would notice this no?
Brandon Rivera
Look, my point is that countries in former eastern block are either better without CCCP or at least are completely the same shit hole they always were.
John Green
That it was a shithole? North Korea hasn't come close to creating the living standards of the eastern bloc, let alone the south
Carson Turner
>Okay so we should listen to westerners and one guy from the USSR but not the actual population.
What do you mean by "actual population"? Soljenitsyne doesn't count as "actual population"? Only the people interviewed in your cherrypicked study count as "the actual population"? Kill yourself turdbrains.
>I mean if it was really that awful, and capitalism is so great, then clearly they would notice this no?
They do notice it, I read through your fucking blog post and all the sources were from the 1990s. Obviously the transition was hard on the Russian people, but Russia has recovered today.
Cooper Turner
>North Korea hasn't come close to creating the living standards of the eastern bloc
It was actually comparable to the standards of the eastern bloc. Facts, you should know them.
Matthew Anderson
>Soljenitsyne doesn't count as "actual population"?
hes' one man with an opinion doesn't make him above anyone else
Aiden Sanchez
youtube.com
>Tfw you will never grow up in USSR and sing patriotic songs about the Motherland with the trololo guy.
Gabriel Reed
>Well if that's your standard of evidence
Having citations is my standard of evidence? Yes it is, I believe that's the standard of evidence approximately everywhere that matters.
>They nationalized the whole economy, disbanded the price system in favor of rationing, etc.
1. They haven't nationalized the whole economy, the overwhelming majority of the population work in the private sector.
2. They haven't disbanded the price system, you can still buy things in Venezuela. They just enforce rations on certain things to respond to shortages so you can only buy a certain amount of something.
David Kelly
>I mean if it was really that awful, and capitalism is so great, then clearly they would notice this no?
Let me tell a little joke we have here:
"Grandpa, what was the best time?"
"During Stalin"
"But why, grandpa?"
"My dick was still working then."
People are nostalgic about their youth. People now are generally living much better, only braindead idiots think communism was a good time to be alive.
Colton Flores
But they are worse without the CCCP.
Literally, demonstrably, factually worse.
Christopher Price
capitalism was a mistake
Parker Nelson
He has the merit of being one of the greatest writers of the 20th century. His opinion is worth more than that of an illiterate factory worker.
Evan Richardson
>Tell me, ladies, do you prefer life today or do you prefer life during the 70s? Aha! So communism really was great!
Logan Clark
He's one dude, if we were to include him in the study it would make a near un-detectable difference.
>Obviously the transition was hard on the Russian people, but Russia has recovered today.
Lmao no it hasn't, whilst Russia is lightyears ahead of the 1990's it still looks like dogshit compared to the USSR.
Blake Cooper
Except the majority of the population who actually lived through it.
Jesus Christ, I see I wasn't wrong when I said it's the west that's brainwashed.
Easton Phillips
Personally I don't blame Gorby, his heart was in the right place, but was confronted with incredible bullshit on the inside.
On the other hand I firmly beleive Yeltsin was on CIA's payroll.
Owen Price
>His opinion is worth more than that of an illiterate factory worker.
>The opinion of people who would actually suffer under capitalism doesn't matter.
David Davis
>Jesus Christ, I see I wasn't wrong when I said it's the west that's brainwashed.
I'm from an ex-commie shithole, you moron. No, communism was not good. No, saying the 90s were bad is not valid argument. No, old nostalgic people are not a proof communism was better.
William Turner
>suffer under capitalism
Jace Powell
The majority of your countrymen disagree with you.
> No, old nostalgic people are not a proof communism was better.
>m-muh nostalgia
The fact that this is literally the only argument you lads have is very telling.
Yes, it's totally just because they're nostalgic. Definitely doesn't have anything to do with the fact that it's a struggle to both keep the lights on and have something to eat, or not be homeless for that matter.
Bentley Smith
>people from Western Europe who went to live in Eastern Europe during communism
around 0
>people form Eastern Europe who actually risked their life and the life of their families trying to run away to Western Europe
a fuckton
Gee, what morons. They should have asked this commie teenager in this thread and realize communism was paradise.
Jason Hernandez
People are avoiding the central premise of this thread, which is barely about communism and more about russians being retards that can't do anything right.
They have capitalism now yet they're still a totalitarian tzarist shithole.
Nathan Taylor
How old are you? I can't imagine you're old enough to vividly remember the end of the communist regimes yet you posture youself like that matters
Levi Watson
>to both keep the lights on and have something to eat,
During the 80s we had a regime on the electricity (meaning we had just several hours of electricity a day) and the shops were empty and lacking basic shit.
Kill yourself, subhuman.
Christopher Cruz
>more about russians being retards that can't do anything right.
That's pretty much accepted by default. But OP also implies communism could totally work.
William Sanders
That's been true for ages. Eastern Europe has been behind Western Europe since general conceptions of the difference were created
Josiah Stewart
Nice western propaganda.
Bentley Flores
>Having citations is my standard of evidence?
It's a fucking blogpost with """citations""" to newspaper articles. You can find plenty of those on stormfront.
>1. They haven't nationalized the whole economy,
Yeah, only all the key industries...
>2. They haven't disbanded the price system, you can still buy things in Venezuela.
That's not what 'price system' means you fucking retard. The price system is when you let the free market fix the prices of product. Not the government, as it is the case in Venezuela (i.e. socialism)
>He's one dude,
I know it's hard for your groidal mind to wrap itself around the fact that all opinions are not of the same worth, but please try to understand that you should listen to Soljenitsyne.
> it still looks like dogshit compared to the USSR.
Are you fucking retarded? Where are the 12 hour bread lines?
The funny thing is that you're american, aren't you?
A factory worker under capitalism lives a 1000x better life than a factory worker under communism.
Gabriel Rogers
>>m-muh nostalgia
>The fact that this is literally the only argument you lads have is very telling.
It's a valid point. Do you really think old people are not nostalgic about their youth?
John Foster
Congrats, it's still like that except the stuff in the shop is even more expensive and you can have the fabulous option of 0 hours of electricity a day.
Fucking win for capitalism right here.
Joshua Torres
Wow 50 people in total
Chase Cooper
>it's still like that except the stuff in the shop is even more expensive and you can have the fabulous option of 0 hours of electricity a day.
You've quite obviously never been to Russia.
Ayden Fisher
>Congrats, it's still like that except the stuff in the shop is even more expensive and you can have the fabulous option of 0 hours of electricity a day.
What the fuck are you talking about, you fucking idiot? I have electricity 24 hours every dya and I literally have a dozen small shops a two supermarkets at walking distance from my home.
William Martinez
>Yes. Imperial Russia was rapidly industrializing.
Everyone look and laugh at the historically illiterate person.
David Hughes
Kek russians have access to electricity wtf are you talking about. In fact I kind of wish they didn't so that they wouldn't shit up dota.
Isaiah Lewis
Russia is too big to function otherwise.
Many have compared the history of the US with that of Russia, but it's really a very different situation. The US had the time to grow into industrial capitalism after the Civil War. Russia on the other hand was always distracted by European continental problems and regional rivals, like the Crimean war, Japan, and WWI.
The Soviet model opened up Russia into the world and gave them powerful resources and allies, but it suffered from the massive bureaucratization and the nomenclature. Democracy would have done nothing but hinder that model,so it collapsed due to it's monolithic structure both from internal dissent and economic stagnation.
The US is on a similar path however, so lets not be quick to judge them.
Anthony Green
Have you ever read anything about last tzar? That guy was autocratic, extremely conservative cuck. He had to be forced to make even most basic reforms. There's no way Russia could modernise with that idiot as a leader.
Nathan Moore
Have you ever heard of Sergei Witte? That's a rhetorical question, I know you're a subhuman moron. What I'm saying is, google who Sergei Witte is.
Brody Moore
>Russia is too big to function otherwise.
This is a myth that wannabe dictators have been using for ages.
Literally 2000 years ago Augustus and Tiberius were saying the same shit.
Adam Turner
Making your citizens compete with each other for survival proves the complete failure of capitalism.
FUCKING SCUMBAGS TAKE CARE OF YOUR PEOPLE
Chase Flores
>hat guy was autocratic
Compared to the bolsheviks he was a laissez-faire libertarian.
Lincoln Thompson
>competition is bad
>boo hoo I'm a moronic cuck I need big mommy gubment's help because I'm so lazy and stupid
Alexander Hill
How about you Google Russian industrial output. The progress made under the Tsar's was tiny and is dwarfed by the leaps and bounds made under the freedom of mighty Stalin,
Josiah Morgan
>citizens compete with each other for survival
That's bullshit. The "capitalist competiton" is for a better life, the people who don't "survive" are like 0,000001%
Tyler Jenkins
Romanianfag here.
Let me explain.
The people don't miss the system per se. They just miss the social stability from cradle to grave. Even if that guaranteed job is being semi-forcefully sent in bum-fuck nowhere to be a teacher/doctor in some forgotten village half a country away, the guaranteed housing is a shitty, one bedroom flat, and the money you have has nothing to spend it on, or atleast without standing in line for fucking eggs.
As for the system itself, it was bound to collapse. It was based on forced industrialisation that was already outdated, bought on loan money. Seriously, we were lucky to get black-n-white TVs in the early 90's. That's the level we were at.
As for Vancea's testiomony, check your citations. The interview was taken in '99, on a pensioner.
Grayson Phillips
>It's a fucking blogpost with """citations""" to newspaper articles. You can find plenty of those on stormfront.
My friend, the fact that it's a blogpost is irrelevant. The fact that it has citations for more or less every point however is relevant.
>Yeah, only all the key industries...
Yet somehow the majority of people still work in the private sector. Not to mention just nationalizing some industries doesn't make a country socialist anyway.
>The price system is when you let the free market fix the prices of product
You do realize the USA has historically implemented price controls?
>I know it's hard for your groidal mind to wrap itself around the fact that all opinions are not of the same worth, but please try to understand that you should listen to Soljenitsyne.
When it comes to how good their individual life is then yes, everyone's opinion is of the same worth on the count that they're commenting on something they're definitely an expert in.
>Are you fucking retarded? Where are the 12 hour bread lines?
Exagerrated western propaganda.
What's 5 million people homeless?
>The funny thing is that you're american, aren't you?
No, I'm Irish.
>A factory worker under capitalism lives a 1000x better life than a factory worker under communism.
No he doesn't.
The overwhelming majority of the world's factory workers in capitalism are dirt poor living outside of the first world, factory workers in the eastern bloc enjoyed lives that they would envy.
Eli Rodriguez
>The progress made under the Tsar's was tiny
It wasn't, in fact most people thought Russia would soon overtake the USA in industrial production.
Please stop embarassing yourself.
John Adams
>Russia is too big to function otherwise.
So why not separate it into a bunch of self-ruling states? Why not turn it into a United States of Russia?
Oh right, that way Moscow and all the other bigger states won't be able to suck out resources from all the smaller, less-developed states, giving them a chance to develop at the expense of some oligarch's Rublyovka ranch.
Austin Lee
I do.
I also think that their opinion on the economic conditions of their life at various points is valid and not worth discarding as nostalgia just because it challenges your viewpoint.
Asher Walker
You mean Jews, not Russians
Benjamin Taylor
I was referencing one of the quotes from earlier in the thread.
>Ion Vancea, a Romanian who struggles to get by on a picayune $40 per month pension says, “It’s true there was not much to buy back then, but now prices are so high we can’t afford to buy food as well as pay for electricity.” Echoing the words of many Romanians, Vancea adds, “Life was 10 times better under (Romanian Communist Party leader Nicolae) Ceausescu.” [14] An opinion poll carried out last year found that Vancea isn’t in the minority. Conducted by the Romanian polling organisation CSOP, the survey found that almost one-half of Romanians thought life was better under Ceauşescu, compared to less than one-quarter who thought life is better today. And while Ceauşescu is remembered in the West as a Red devil, only seven percent said they suffered under Communism. Why do half of Romanians think life was better under the Reds? They point to full employment, decent living conditions for all, and guaranteed housing – advantages that disappeared with the
William Roberts
I'm from Eastern Europe. I was born at the end of the 80s, so I spend my childhood during the 90s. It was great, the best time of my life, I wish it would come back. It's totally not nostalgia. The 90s were the best!
Jason Thompson
Libertarian who had to be forced to ban what was pretty much slavery. Even the Soviets with their mass killing were better.
Logan Morris
>It wasn't, in fact most people thought Russia would soon overtake the USA in industrial production.
It's not clear what time period you are even referring to or the methodology you have used to claim a consensus of 'most people'.
The historically illiterate should be banned from Veeky Forums.
We need a man like Iosef Stalin in charge of this place.
Jayden Roberts
You do know that Russia has nearly a hundred administrative communes and districts right? It's a mess, the only way to administrate it properly is with a dictator while allowing smaller regions limited administrative power.
I'm not saying it's better, but it's far more effective than democracy. China does it, but even more effectively than Russia since it's not as isolationist as them.
American strategic think tanks have been speculating how Russia could be permanently be neutralized and it's though it's disintegration to smaller different states.
Ryan Peterson
>My friend, the fact that it's a blogpost is irrelevant.
No it's not. It's proof that it's shit. Show me a study or something.
> The fact that it has citations for more or less every point however is relevant.
Your """citations""" are from fucking newspaper articles from the 1990s.
>Yet somehow the majority of people still work in the private sector.
So far. Soon there won't be any private sector left.
> Not to mention just nationalizing some industries doesn't make a country socialist anyway.
Yes it is you stupid fucking idiot.
>You do realize the USA has historically implemented price controls?
Price controls =/= disbanding the price system you stupid shit. READ A FUCKING BOOK
>everyone's opinion is of the same worth
But that's not true. Take black slaves in the antebellum south. Many dumb slaves were perfectly content in being slaves and were angry when slavery ended. Should their opinion count more than the opinions of Fredrick Douglass?
>Exagerrated western propaganda.
Facts are western propaganda? Jesus.
>No, I'm Irish.
Oh shit you're that stupid irishman from /pol/
I'm outta here.
Mason Lee
Faggot, Russia is just 140 million people. Don't tell me how big of an area it is, we actually have telephones and Internet now, news and orders don't travel five months from one end to the other.