I want the opinions of christians or exchristians in a topic

>>>/Sanhedrin/

Not an argument lad

Nice doubles t/b/h

It actually isn't, and errors like this are the primary reason I'm an ex-Christian.

Of course it isn't, but the Pharisees believed it was.

You misspelled Sadducees. All Pharisee documentation merely forbids the mixing of medicine (which Jesus didn't do) and even then, carved out a rather large exception because serious ailments, like sore throats, are exempt.

Funny how the Gospel writers didn't know this.

The Pharisees considered performing miracles to be מְלָאכָה (i.e. "work") and performing מְלָאכָה on Shabbat was strictly forbidden.

Oy gevelt how ignorant are you?

>This entire post
>Misspelling gevalt

I'm not the guy you're responding to, but this is embarrassing. You sound a little bit like a /pol/ack Christposter I picked apart in an earlier thread..

>I'm not the guy you're responding to

The Mishnah of Sabbath disagrees with you there, user. All the examples of work are mundane activities, all associated with building the tent of meeting.

>implying I'm not descended from based Cain

And you also accused me of samefagging then, too!

I'm and Can you for once stop getting BTFO?

And Cain is descended from Adam, numbnuts.

Oops, I fucked that one up, my bad.

The Pentateuch takes priority over the Mishnah and מְלָאכָה is used to describe how God creates the world in Genesis; miracles are God's מְלָאכָה.

>yfw

np

Dont blame me for your faith being false m8

Except that's quite simply wrong.

mechon-mamre.org/p/pt/pt0101.htm

Jesus Christ is the truth.

No in Genesis 2:2

>וַיְכַל אֱלֹהִים בַּיּוֹם הַשְּׁבִיעִי, מְלַאכְתּוֹ אֲשֶׁר עָשָׂה; וַיִּשְׁבֹּ בַּיּוֹם הַשְּׁבִיעִי, מִכָּל- מְלַאכְתּוֹ אֲשֶׁר עָשָׂה.

>מְלַאכְתּוֹ

mechon-mamre.org/p/pt/pt0102.htm

Jesus was a false Messiah who I believe genuinely meant well, but his message is wrong and should not be propagated as truth.

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All you've done is get proven wrong, don't know why you're trying to turn it on me. I'm sure your hugbox on /pol/ will be sympathetic to your plight.

Whaddya talkin about? You're the one tryin' to turn it on me! I prove you wrong and then you just start acting like you proved me wrong!? How wrong can you get!

It's an interesting question that I cannot give you a biblical answer to.

But Jesus said He only did what the Father showed Him to do, and obeyed the Father in all points and at all times.

When the devil tempted Jesus, was Jesus tempted? Yes. Jesus was tempted at all points, but never sinned.

Was Jesus tempted to sin? In my personal opinion, no.

Did Jesus sin? No. Had He sinned, He would have stayed dead, a blemished and unfit sacrifice for the rest of us. The resurrection is proof positive that Jesus never sinned.

But to go deeper, why do we sin? We sin because we do not allow God to provide for us 100% of His Love, Acceptance, Meaning and Purpose in our life. We sin to find things to satisfy those needs.

At no time, but forsaken on the cross, did Jesus ever allow those needs to be unmet.

You may believe that because the Kingdom was not ushered in at the time of Christ.

But was not that Kingdom rejected?

Was not the Messiah rejected?

Should the Messiah have forced Himself upon His people?

You're placing the talmud over the torah?

Again, not the word actually used when everything is being created back in the last chapter.

Genesis is the Torah......

The mishna is not.

It's still the same word describing the same event in the same book.

Correct, but that user claimed that מְלָאכָה is used to describe creation. It is not.

It is not and furthermore is not used to define what sort of "work" may or may not be done on the Sabbath. There is 0 record, 0, that the Pharisees forbade miracle working on the Sabbath, or considered such a violation. The Gospels specifically focus on the healing aspect, not the miraculous aspect.

Genesis 2:2
Young's Literal Translation (YLT)

and God completeth by the seventh day His work which He hath made, and ceaseth by the seventh day from all His work which He hath made.

I don't get the controversy. The same word for work seems to be used for labor as well as task.

Jews. Fussy as fuck in the minutiae, lost as fuck in reality.

1 and 2 are one in the same imo.

Because the fundamental claim is that the Pharisee condemnation of Jesus stemmed from his miraculous healings on the Sabbath, miracles being a form of work and thus sabbath breaking.

There is nothing regarding miracles entioned in any Pharisee text about what does and doesn't constitute working on the Sabbath. And just generally, while mixing of medicine is forbidden, the exception (since it can be disregarded if serious health issues are at stake) pretty much swallows the rule.

The "Proof" against this is a bootstrapping argument from one verse that doesn't even describe the act of creation, where the word עָשָׂה is invariably used, it's just the reflection.

Christians: Have no clue what they're talking about when it comes to Judaism, yet strut around like they're experts. They don't even realize how many errors the Gospels have concerning 1st century Judaic life and why that means they were almost certainly not written by eyewitnesses native to Judea.

Oh, I see. Rules are not made to be followed by everyone.

Rules are there so that the authorities can screw you whenever they want to.

No pharisee had a problem with Jesus working on the sabbath until Jesus told them that He was the Son of God.

Then suddenly they had massive problems with literally everything He did.

You're as insane as they were. They stood right next to YHWH and wanted to murder Him.

You have 2000 years of hindsight and cannot figure out that Jesus is YHWH.

>how many errors the Gospels have

Zero. We realize that quite well.

Zero errors.

You know what else we realize?

No Temple.
No High Priest.
No sacrifices.
No Passovers followed.
No Jews.

Not the guy ur fighting with, but was the pharasees problem of the fact that he told a man to carry a bed on the sabbath not actually the healing

Also he could not sin as he was Truly God