Racism was an idea of the Enlightenment, then came Darwinism and for around 100 years (mid 19th century to mid 20th century) we saw the height of racism.
What caused it to die off? You will hardly find white people these days who are opposed to race mixing and even limiting immigration to less than millions of people of other races a year is seen as controversial.
People sometimes say its because of the universal religion, Christianity. But: Christianity died off just like racism, the average white person these days is less religious than his forefathers.
The government disallows it, and the weakest among us vocally denounce it to "virtue signal" in a pathetic attempt to improve their chances at reproductive sucess.
Mason Ramirez
>to improve their chances at reproductive suces
Then maybe female influence has caused an decrease in racism.
It seems that females are generally less prone to racism or "tribalism", maybe because it makes more sense for them, evolutionary speaking, to mate with the winner.
Which is why after wars you often find women mating with soldiers of the winner and once that winner is driven out again (like the Germans out of France or Norway), these women get shamed and their head shaved by their countrymen.
Sebastian Martin
>Racism was an idea of the Enlightenment False. Racism was a thing since forever. In the case for white people, they still had disdain and even vilified non whites before the enlightenment.
>What caused it to die off? It never died off as pointed out.
>You will hardly find white people these days who are opposed to race mixing Something something democracy and egalitarian society.
>limiting immigration to less than millions of people of other races a year is seen as controversial. That's only seen in Western Europe.
>People sometimes say its because of the universal religion, Christianity. But: Christianity died off just like racism, Christianity didn't prevent Africans from being enslaved and treated as inferior.
Brody James
Well the reason why men don't mate with the conquering soldiers is because they're men. And homosexuality is a minority.
Ayden Reyes
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Nicholas Sanders
>False. Racism was a thing since forever. In the case for white people, they still had disdain and even vilified non whites before the enlightenment.
They didn't even had a concept of "whiteness", just like even many Europeans today don't see themselves as white but as Croats vs. Serbs for example. And it was the same pre-Englightenment with the Ancient Romans.
>That's only seen in Western Europe. The US was 90% white in 1965 and its youth is now majority non-white. And there wasn't a huge revolt and a huge war about that. In many regards, the US is even less racist than many Western European countries.
Austin Collins
This is not a "pro-racism" thread for /pol/ but my question is about the history and the idea of racism.
Nicholas Jenkins
This is a /pol/ thread to discuss White supremacy. A discussion of racism on Veeky Forums should appropriately be within the context of a culture or society not through the perspective of identification grounded in the learned behavior of racism.
Ryan Reed
>They didn't even had a concept of "whiteness", You don't need concepts like "whiteness" and "blackness" to be racist. It's simply off the basis of "your skin color is different from mine". It's xenophobia basically. If you want a case of racism arbitrary white, black, yellow distinctions, look at Chinese-Japanese relations.
>Just like even many Europeans today don't see themselves as white but as Croats vs. Serbs for example What? Plenty do and Far-right groups assert this.
>And it was the same pre-Englightenment with the Ancient Romans. Those were the Romans. They viewed anyone not Roman as shit. If you were, regardless of race, you were mostly treated equally. Not unlike the segregated quarters of medieval-early modern Europe compared to the multi-cultural empire of Rome.
>The US was 90% white in 1965 and its youth is now majority non-white It's important to note that a big chunk of those non-whites are blacks who came through slavery rather than immigration
>And there wasn't a huge revolt and a huge war about that. not a revolt or war but there are rising sentiments against immigration. Trump is the obvious example.
Ryder Roberts
*racism without arbitrary white, black, yellow distinctions
Leo Cook
For the purpose of determining what is history, please do not start threads about events taking place less than 25 years ago. Historical discussions should be focused on past events, and not their contemporary consequences. Discussion of modern politics, current events, popular culture, or other non-historical topics should be posted elsewhere.
I'm a piece of shit and just feel the need to remind you so I don't have to hide as many threads
saging my reply of course
Robert Wright
Right. It's a perfectly sensible reproductive strategy that is ingrained into human psychology and the psychology of females of many other species of intelligent mamals.
I don't fault women for being the way that nature made them. I fault men for failing to realizr that women think different lyrics than they do, and not let women influence politics.
Samuel White
You may like this OP
>This book represents a departure from the largely consensual view that the theory of races preceded racism. It also challenges recent revisionist scholarship, which traces the invention of racism back to classical antiquity. It rejects the idea of racism as innate phenomenon shared by all humankind. I argue that particular configurations of racism can only be explained by research into historical conjunctures, which need to be compared and studied in the long term. Racism is relational and changes over time; it cannot be fully understood through the segmented study of short periods of time, specific regions, or well-known victims—for instance, black people or Jews.
>The notion of racism I will use in this book—prejudice concerning ethnic descent coupled with discriminatory action—provides the basis for this long-term approach, enabling us to chart its different forms, continuities, discontinuities, and transformations. I focus my research on the Western world, from the Crusades to the present. Internal ethnic prejudice and discrimination are visible in Europe from the Middle Ages to the twentieth century, while the European expansion created a coherent set of ideas and practices concerning hierarchies of peoples from different continents. I do not maintain that the reality of racism is exclusive to this part of the world; Europe simply provides a relatively consistent setting that will be compared to other parts of the world where similar phenomena have manifested themselves.
>The main hypothesis guiding my research is that throughout history, racism as prejudice concerning ethnic descent coupled with discriminatory action has been motivated by political projects.
Because it doesn't have any credible scientific basis.
Jaxson Morales
>You may like this OP
Yes, thanks, I just downloaded it.
It seems to say the exact opposite of what I was saying (racism as an invention of Englightenment + Darwinism) but this is still, despite my wording and the meme that probably gave a wrong impression, what I actually wanted to talk about: the history of racism, how it was created, what makes it increase and what makes it decrease.
Eli Flores
>racism >died off
Racism is alive and well pham. Just more covert these days.
Nobody can look at the apes in Baltimore or equivalent and think:yup, these are people just like me
Gavin Russell
I wouldn't say he totally opposes you. The concept of race did shift because of the Enlightenment, whereas before it didn't carry a scientific context.
>The word race started to be used in the Middle Ages as a synonym for caste, and was applied to the raising of plants and breeding of animals. In the late Middle Ages it was used in the definition of noble lineage in Italy and France. During the long Iberian struggle between Muslims and Christians, followed by overseas expansion, race acquired an ethnic meaning—first applied to people of Jewish and Muslim descent, meaning an impurity in the blood, and then applied to Africans and Native Americans. Therefore, the semantic content of the word was developed through a hierarchical ethnic system of classification within the Iberian context. In the eighteenth century, the noun race was used in Europe to denote female gender and, in general, varieties of human beings. Within the theories of races the noun acquired an ambiguous role in labeling subspecies, virtually transformed into species by scientific racialism in the mid-nineteenth century. By the late nineteenth and early twentieth century, as nationalism triumphed in the Western world, the noun race was imposed as equivalent to nation .
Sebastian Carter
>Just more covert these days. If you think shitposting racist memes on Veeky Forums still counts as covert, you are seriously delusional. This "secret clubhouse" is viewed by millions of newfags and journalists and yet you meme spouting fags from /pol/ can't help but bring cancerous faggotry into the real world on normiebook and twitter. Covert my ass, you just don't have the balls to say what is said online to anyone's face without the pitiful and desperate "b-b-but it was a-a joke!". At least proudly stand by your racism when called out on it and restrain the drooling, retarded underage masses who do nothing but make a parody of actual, intellectual discourse on racism.
Ethan Stewart
You're now aware that you are an ape
Adrian Wright
Christianity is not a universal religion. You have to have heard of Jesus and have been aware of the bible. Lots of people haven't experienced either. I don't see what that has to do with racism anyway.
Brandon White
>I don't see what that has to do with racism anyway.
Well, recently I came across a book with articles of 20th Century Priest Robert Mäder who was engaged in the "Catholic Action" (Katholische Aktion) - he was a Swiss Priest who fought against National Socialism, and in one of these articles he makes it clear that for him, for Catholics, there are only two races, he explicitely says "races": the race of Satan and the race of the Virgin Mary.
Just like the Bible says, "there is neither gentile nor jew" etc. for you are all one in Jesus Christ.
This is what I mean with universalism. All people of all races can be part of the "race of the virgin mary" and a Catholic wouldn't have to think twice who is his brother: the white person who belongs to the race of satan or the fellow black catholic who belongs to the race of the virgin mary.
Camden Wilson
I imagine the crushing defeat of large organized groups of white racists like the Nazis, the KKK, the confederacy, made it clear who the victors of history are.
The Enlightenment and Darwinism may have created a more scientific basis for racism that didn't exist before, but after further scrutiny it became clear that these initial ramblings were baseless. It makes no sense to try to discriminate based on race, we all succeed better if we all cooperate together.
It's common sense, nobody benefits by excluding yourself or others in the long term, it kind of goes against our natural civilized way of thinking. Racism is more tribal, as others have said, which is something civilized societies tend to try to work away from.
Everyone wants to think they're somehow special. People also tend to follow societal memes or "fads" for lack of better term. The zeitgeist of a period may be more or less racist for different reasons. It's certainly an interesting question to look at. As long as you agree not to be racist about it.
Alexander Flores
White racism is still alive, the average white is just as racist as any other member of a race. Nowadays they keep that shit behind closed doors or with other whites. Blacks (american ones) on the other hand are less closeted about it, though their racism doesn't really hurt or matter as much.
Tyler Gomez
I see, then that makes more sense to me now, taken from a purely European perspective where Christianity remains the dominant religion.
I feel there weren't major changes in Christianity during the periods mentioned, other than possibly people becoming more secular. The protestant reformation mostly happened already, and people were becoming more rational, therefore, less traditionally Christian. Maybe because people were less religious, racism became more widespread? I know Hitler and other white racists looked back fondly at their pagan "Aryan" (therefore non-christian) roots. I wonder if that has something to do with it. Again going back to tribal thinking in a way.
I still don't see a strong connection between how the religion affected racist views. I just keep thinking how Christianity was used in the new world to subjugate the slaves and rid them of their African culture to make them more obedient.
Brayden Hernandez
Aside from white racism, can we talk about how other racists are totally racist too? All the Chinese and Mexican friends I've talked to say their parents are racist as shit. Probably more-so than many whites I've met.
Jacob Barnes
What the fuck are you on about m8? I speak my mind wherever I go, nobody does shit. The frothing at the mouth SJWs are a minority everywhere except Canada and universities. You might get called a dick or a bigot for pointing out that blacks have an illegitamacy rate of 75% and that young black males commit 50% of all homicides in the US despite being only 6 percent of the population. That's about it.
Ryder Parker
We're talking about civilized places. Not Alabama.
Dominic Ross
As someone who knows a person who always goes on about statistics like that. What exactly is the purpose? For someone who doesn't care, it's extremely annoying and insufferable. Do you want people to do something about it or do you just like to ramble?
Gabriel Hughes
>Why did white racism died basically we've found out that growing up in a certain environment and culture builds up your specific personality traits more than DNA and race factors so it's kind of ignorant to "blame" genes on the so called negative qualities of other societies.
Juan Parker
Non-nigger blacks are genrally always mixed with white.
Adam Hill
What about our nigger whites like yourself?
Joseph Peterson
He's hoping you'll become a white nationalist
Henry Moore
I've known way too many Nigerians and Ethiopians to not call that bullshit. The simple fact is there have been selective pressures severe or long enough to select for greater intelligence between the different "races". Modern humans have not existed long enough for any serious speciation to take place. At most their are a few physical differences related to heat management like broad noses or higher body fat, sun control (skin color), or some other climate related adaption.
Zachary Green
>inb4 Ethiopians are white
Caleb Hill
>What exactly is the purpose?
Probably hoping that you'll have less sympathy for social justice movements and black people in general. Also that you'll let that attitude influence your voting decisions.
It usually works on people who didn't already know those things and feel like they've been lied to by society for pushing the "myth" of racial equality, whereas most people have already read the wikipedia articles on race and intelligence / crime realize that the controversy lies in the attribution of those statistics to genetic and self-imposed subculture.
