Who /copywriter/ here?

Do you guys think that copy writing is a growing/in demand skill in today's labor market? I think it is. There are so many businesses out there that need people to write from them.

Just my two cents. Anybody else got any thoughts?

how do you guys write your contracts when dealing with new clients? what do you put on them?

I guess you don't want money senpai

Get someone legally qualified to write something up for you, your contracts are too important for penny pinching, it will come back to bite you in the arse very quickly.

Male sure there is a harsh late payment fee in their too, a bunch of your time is going to be taken up chasing fees.

Sup guys, I'm a Copywriter (4 years in the business).

I make around $2000/month while still in university, planning to scale it after graduation.

I contribute to threads like this and help anons get familiar with making money and developing a skill that will get you money no matter where you end up.

Pic related.

Any resources/guides for beginners to get started?

Failing that, do you have any tips to get started?

I am also interested in some advice to get started. So many webpages online seem to exist just to prey on people looking to get a foothold in copywriting.

Doing 20 Euros/400 words. Is that good?

thats great m8. im writing nonsense content mill stuff and very adequate at it would like to know how to kind of get going, i reckon i can do this type of thing no problem. guessing the biggest issue is finding clients.

Finding clients is the hardest part, for sure, especially because companies tend to regard freelancers as a liability.

To counteract this, I'm thinking of unionizing. Do you think that's a good idea?

Clients - only SME clients - Small to medium companies. The bigger fish pay better, sure, but they are so slow-moving and risk averse I find it draining. They're also largely stuck in outdated shit like expecting me to actually come to meetings, shake hands, 'meet the team', etc - fuck off cunts, the reason I work for myself is I'm a borderline sociopath with misanthropic mood swings with an 'artistic temperament' (I'm an asshole) with the attention span of a goldfish (ADHD) so I need time to 'zone out' and daydream (preferably with a spliff) and time to hyperfocus, where I need silence and alone-time. It doesn't suit 'brainstorming sessions' or discussing shit with a designer, etc
All I want is a brief, and any related materials attached or a weblink, that's it, and I can put in a bid.

Pay - started on £6 p/hr, then £15 per 500 words, now £500+ for a sentence. It's a side gig.

I don't do volume much anymore, but a little technical writing and ghost writing if lucrative enough. Typically a negotiable flat fee (say £50-100 per page)

- freelance (don't know any agencies?)

- SME's, as above, but especially really technical and academic fields. A newly-graduated MBA and a CFA/CPA set up a firm? Their braincells are fried from studying all that shit, and they are often already in debt, from risk-averse middle class backgrounds where creativity wasn't encouraged. Most have trouble putting together a sentence that isn't from a textbook or parroted from a peer.

>developing a skill that will get you money no matter where you end up

This is what appeals to me greatly about copywriting.

Any tips/advice/stories would be greatly appreciated friend.

>£500+ for a sentence.
Holy flying fuck my man - your words are literally word more than gold, weight wise.

How did you get there? Any resources I can utilize to improve my copy game?

So are copywriters basically the poor mans advertising graduates?

AY FUCK YOU YOU UPPITY ASS WHITE BOI

The first thing you need to know before writing anything is about selling and marketing.

"The Richest Man In Babylon" "Boron Letters" "The Millionaire Fastlane" are good reads to get into the mindset of a successful person.

Once you have that, you can start writing and reading about writing. Look into John Carlton, Eugene Schwartz, Colin Theriot, Gary Halbert and his son.

Joing FB groups like Cult of Copy, Internet Marketing Super Friends, The Content Marketing Lounge.

Once you know a bit what you're doing, then look for a job. This is what John Carlton would call the "whoring" phase.

You find an authoritative, experienced marketer/copywriter to take you under their wing (in the FB groups). The pay can be minimal, but you need the experience and to see how everything works from the inside, grow your chops.
If you were to choose who to hire between a guy who read 500 books or a guy who'd done 500 deals, you would take the deals guy.

But if you're both - clients will go heads over heels to work with you.

Very important to take notes on everything you're consuming as you will definitely use them later for posts, articles, podcasts, videos. Be active, be visible and bring value to others from what you already learned.

Some people are introverts and don't like to socialise and post motivational stuff - I get that.

But that's how I got from a non-native English speaker to a recognisable figure among my peers.

This was also the thing that got me into Copywriting.

Someone said that with a skill like Copywriting, you could be thrown into any city in the world without anything, but you would be able to walk into any company and make a living with your skill.

Getting good and getting paid well is all about consistency.

If you publish videos, blogs for 90 days straight, you will get great clients who will pay more and more.

If you send 5 proposals to potential clients on Upwork every day for two weeks - you will get several good options.

I'm working with a marketer from Veeky Forums just because I contribute to threads like this and we're both making good money as a result.

After I'm done with university I'm going to travel and my laptop will be my ATM that spews money out every day from ~3-4 hours of work.

My advice would be to find something you can do (I chose Copywriting because I always excelled in writing at school) and then do it consistently. I had periods without clients for 2 months and thought about doing something else, but I continued throwing those proposals, content and value in every direction and hit the target.

Also, don't jump into Copywriting head first. Have a solid financial foundation first - parents who can support you, a part-time job, savings.
You will have feasts, but you'll have famine so be prepared.

Cool, Thank you for the tips.

Its been a field I have been interested in for a a while now, but have very little luck finding out stuff on my own.