Was Pol Pot really that bad?

Well his name was /pol/ after all.

I'll admit I am not that versed in the PolPot regime and the only thing Singapore did that I know of was condemn Vietnam for invad8ng Cambodia because of territorial reasons and not following the rules of ASEAN. (Non-interventionalism in ASEAN member states is a thing.)

So yes, for better or worse, I might have bought into the Vietcong propaganda.

You don't get it. They didn't get killed because it sign of smartness, they got killed because if you have glasses, that means you WANT to read, and you are probably INTERESTED in something else than your country and government.

Slight difference.

That's still stupid. I'm basically blind without glasses. I couldn't even serve as slave force without them. It has nothing to do with reading.

He was actually pretty based tbqh

Anyone who manages to kill a quarter of their countries population in 4 years probably isnt that great a person. To put that in perspective being a citizen in Pol Pots reign was roughly as dangerous as being a soldier in the Nazi Army.

He had a very bizzare form of communism that started out as being parinoid about all capitalist influences - which is why he drained the cities and gun point and forced them into the countryside at gunpoint. Persecution of intellectuals then followed because they were principally eduacted in France/the west (ironically like he was) and seen as being irrevocably corrupted along with anyone else who wasnt peasant or lucky enough. Then it started getting nationalistic and turning against Vietnamese genociding local populations before fucking invading Vietnam itself with a rag tag army of about 100K which was obliterated by the battle hardened Vietnam which now controlled the entire country.
All in all its probably the worst example of collectivism in human history.

Are the holidays in Cambodia as tough as they say?

He depopulated the capital in 72 hours and invented the motto "To keep you is no benefit. To destroy you is no loss"

Yeah Pol Pot was stupid, I won't deny that.

He looks pretty chill. I say he was a cool dude.

Same deal with the idea that literacy was grounds for execution under Pol Pot. Prior to the KR takeover of the country, it wasn't uncommon for farmers to have basic literacy skills in order to keep track of their livestock. You also had to be able to read to be a cadre of the Khmer Rogue, and basic literacy was one of the few forms of education provided to children. What got you killed was expressions of literacy that suggested you had a formal education, for example reading a novel. What use does a goat herder have for the abstract ideas expressed in fiction? Where'd they get the education and interest in analyzing them? Reading anything which required abstract thought suggested that you were part of the former upper class, and that's what did you in. Not the literacy in-and-of-itself.

Pretty fucked up. Luckily the commies stopped him and his US backers.

There has to be a reason. Don't believe your grade school propaganda.
I'd actually like to know what his real policies were and what crimes he commit and for what reasons.

He did nothing wrong.
Thx to him Cambodia is great again.

Nope
t. Noam Chomsky

Pol Pot's policy is centered around ethno-nationalism, anti-modernism, and agrarian socialism, basically a Cambodian version of Blood and Soil. Joined the Khmer Rouge but he formed an anti-communist faction that took over and enacted a wide spread massacre, mostly of Vietnamese/non-Cambodians, communists, anarchists, liberals, basically anyone. A strange episode in history.

Michael Vickery wrote books that are available online. michaelvickery.org/

I'm taking the bait again. Show me the quote and citation.

Sounds like you need a source

He dindunuffi
Pol Pot, best guy of the universe

It would be hard to overstate his badness, actually.

/pol/pot

>Chomsky denied the Cambodian Genocide, claiming that the killing had been inflated "by a factor of 100."[23][24] He further asserted that the (in reality) 2 to 3 million Cambodians slaughtered by the Khmer Rouge from 1975 to 1978 were morally comparable to Nazi collaborators during WW2, and that Pol Pot's Cambodia was "comparable to France after liberation [from the Nazis]."

paulbogdanor.com/chomsky/encounter.pdf

Why would you link to something that you didn't read and proves exactly the opposite of your point? Jesus, user.

underrated post

I always wonder how people follow psychos like this its trip how they always end up in power.

The man was fucking insane. You should go check out the country sometime, former KR still hold positions of power there.

It really is strange

I would understand if he was charismatic or something, but on old footages he just looks like any other autistic chink, hell even more autistic

But commies call for slaughtering all capitalists and believe humanity has to be rebirthed into some kind of classless cultureless blob society

Pol Pot dindu nuffin. America just invented a bunch of lies to make him look bad.

t. Noam Chomsky

>I would understand if he was charismatic or something, but on old footages he just looks like any other autistic chink, hell even more autistic

I saw a documentary about his rise to power that I can't remember the name of, and in it several Western journalists who had interviewed Pol Pot personally when he invited them to the country said that he actually was incredibly charismatic. So much so that unlike with other dictators they had interviewed, none of his darker side broke through the image he presented to them. Like he legitimately didn't see anything flawed or wrong with what he was doing and honestly believed he was doing what was right.

>Like he legitimately didn't see anything flawed or wrong with what he was doing and honestly believed he was doing what was right.

A true communist all right.

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There was lots of discontent in Cambodia because of America's retarded anticommunism resulting in Americans killing Cambodians while supposedly fighting Vietnamese. Lon Nol organizes a coup which sticks for a while but revolutionary groups arise and Cambodia enters full civil war. Desposed prince Sihanouk aligns with the Cambodian government in exile and its allied military movements including the Khmer Rouge and they retake control of Cambodia, with CIA funding. Pol Pot has as many of the royalists, communists, republicans, and others massacred as possible to strengthen the Khmer Rouge and create a weird Cambodian-nationalist agrarian communitarian state, CIA continues to fund him to fight Vietnam but they kick his shit in and he has to flee the country, though the US still treated him as the legitimate government of Cambodia and kept his seat in the UN.

Basically he just took advantage of a bad situation.

>burned every sign of civilization and declared "year zero"
>anti-intellectual who studied in fucking france

i kinda like him though, the fact the US, etc, considered him the legitimate government of cambodia out of butthurt over vietnam gives a fun stick to beat people with in arguments today.

fuckin' /pol/ pot though

>Desposed prince Sihanouk aligns with the Cambodian government in exile and its allied military movements including the Khmer Rouge

This is another extremely important detail to keep in mind. Prior to the KR's overthrow of the government, no one really understood what their plans were, beyond their promise to re-instate the very popular (at least with the rural population) Sihanouk as head of state. Which they technically did do; they just deprived him of any authority and and more or less held him hostage in his palace.

How is Cambodia now? IIRC it's one of the hot hotspots for millennials who want to engage in drug tourism.

His daughter is pretty cute.

Probably the most optimistic wartime leader in history

>Nonetheless, Democratic Kampuchea set out to face this threat in a reactionary manner. Phnom Penh radio broadcast an appeal to "purify our armed forces, our Party and the masses of people... in defence of Cambodian territory and the Cambodian race.... One of us must kill 30 Vietnamese... two million troops would be more than enough to fight the Vietnamese, because Vietnam has only 50 million inhabitants.... We need only two million troops to crush the 50 million Vietnamese, and we would still have six million people left. We must formulate our combat line in this manner, in order to win victory."

dude

What's wrong with that?

Present-day Cambodia is the poorest and least developed country in South-East Asia

That should tell us something about how great a leader he was

It was like the cultural revolution+great leap forward times 10

Who forced the city folks into the country though?
Did no one in the military think about what they were doing or what was going to happen.

Yeah?

>Who forced the city folks into the country though?

The Armed forces of the Khmer Rouge

>Did no one in the military think about what they were doing or what was going to happen.

The government military forces collapsed, their leader fled the country and they threw away their uniforms and surrendered. So this means they probably did not know what they were in for especially given the city folk initally welcomed the commies.

It is. But i went with my wife for mostly historical/cultural tourism.

Keked and checked.

Pol Pot did nothing wrong.

Prove me wrong, faggots.

Well, he had Political Potential if you know what I mean :^)

I heard that Pol Pot didn't have much of a personality cult or public image while he was in power.

Kek

When you imprison ~15% of the population and eliminate ~5-10% to turn the economy back to the middle ages. Well, I really can't see a way to improve upon that image. For that matter, his rule was ended when the North Vietnamese invaded, then shit. You can say he didn't have many friends (outside of Cambodia).

He wasn't bad, most of what is said about his Khmer Rouge is blatantly exaggerated or straight up propaganda.

Pol Pot was a bizarre dude, he really did think what he was doing was in the best interests of his people.

Every Commie ever. Technically every dictator ever, but commies have a special penchant for justifying their crimes because they are utilitarian scum.

Commies are utilitarian? Their philosophy is all about muh dictatorship of proletariat, muh class struggle, muh means of production. It's very deontological.

He was absolute madman. That is for sure.

Well do recall reading an extract from an interview that I can think of a source for where he said that he had surrounded himself with yes-men and had a very warped view of what was happening in Cambodia. He had no idea as to the true extent of the horrible shit going on and felt heartbroken and responsible for it.

Oh course that all depends on the extent you believe all that to be true...

yeah

you are absolutely right mate.

>Pol Pot
>Commie

We've been over this.
>yfw Ieng Sary literally said "We were never communists"

He probably though you wouldnt read his citation

Noam Chompsky pls go

Didn't he kill a lot of people?

And then he comes back and shitpost it again What a meme

He was the most communist leader of all communist leaders. Not even Stalin or Mao went as far as abolishing money, something that communism should always aim to accomplish. He also literally eradicated the bourgeoise.

no of course not
all historical mass murderers are the victims of jewish lies

Lies about them actually doing any mass murdering? Because pretty sure those aren't lies.

What about when it's Jews who's doing the murders?

>TRUE COMMUNISM HAS NEVER BEEN TRIED YOU BOURGEOIS SCUM

>agrarian ethno-nationalism is """""""""""communism""""""""""""

Missed that chapter of Kapital

Yes

>abolished money
>killed off the bourgeoise
>achieved almost perfect equality

Sounds like a communist to me.

Weren't his last words something like "Everything I did, I did for my country?"

I know you've stuck your toes into the pools of post-modernism and honestly believe there are no truths, but please find the time to learn that post-modern thinkers realized that our arbitrarily created truths are still truths and got off the "nothing is real" angst-train years ago.

Killing people because lol is bad and wrong because we think it is. Purposely attempting to erode the intellect of your society is a bad thing, because we think it is. The fact that a massive majority of people think it's wrong is all the authority it needs to be true.

>equality
Yeah, no.

And the USA was so butthurt about Vietnam that they continued to recognize Pol Pot as the legitimate ruler of Cambodia even after Vietnam chased him out.

The state still existed.
Communism = Stateless.

Capitalism with a medium size welfare state is the utilitarian choice.

True. But you can't blame the guy for trying.

looks like you're missing your source there, friend.

:^)

just read the citation.
Thats pretty embarrassing.

He got blown the fuck out by Vietnam. Then Vietnam beat back China.

If the Vietnamese hated him it means he was pretty bad.

>ITT
>capitarists blaming commemesm for famines
>including the ones triggered by American bombings

neither capitalism nor communism caused these famines.

these famines were caused by a fucking madman.

>The country's 40,000 to 60,000 Buddhist monks, regarded by the regime as social parasites, were defrocked and forced into labour brigades.

>Many monks were executed; temples and pagodas were destroyed or turned into storehouses or gaols. Images of the Buddha were defaced and dumped into rivers and lakes. People who were discovered praying or expressing religious sentiments were often killed. The Christian and Muslim communities also were even more persecuted, as they were labelled as part of a pro-Western cosmopolitan sphere, hindering Cambodian culture and society.

>The Roman Catholic cathedral of Phnom Penh was completely razed. The Khmer Rouge forced Muslims to eat pork, which they regard as forbidden (ḥarām). Many of those who refused were killed. Christian clergy and Muslim imams were executed. One hundred and thirty Cham mosques were destroyed.

Wow.

I really like this guy.

>The Khmer Rouge forced Muslims to eat pork, which they regard as forbidden

Impressive bantz desu