Called neighbors or non-chinese "filthy barbarians"

They may have civilization but they can't fight wars for shit

They are in same tier with India

1) Generalization.
2) Warfare is a single aspect of civilization. If Africans started beating western armies but walk around in Gucci, build western style palaces, and spout bullshit about democracy, would you say African civilization is superior to Western one? Fuck no. They're cucked by western civilization. And ergo they are still fucking barbarians.

Same situation with the Horse Nomads.

Fuck off Portunig. Literally the first Western Colonial Power to be kicked out of its colony.

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>This is why nothing short of western industrialized civilization BTFO the notion of Middle Kingdom.

LOL. There are plenty of pre-industrial European civilizations that put any Chinese dynasty to shame. Also, do you ever sleep? You spend 18 hours a day defending China on a hentai-posting board. Do you know how ridiculous you look? You're really pathetic. Just looking at you makes me want to quit Veeky Forums cold turkey so that I don't end up a complete social reject like you.

Did someone say meme battles?

Afghanistan wrecked the British literally at the same time as that war
>What is Talas

>REEEE I'M SEEING SHILLS.
Pathetic.
>Talas
A yes, Arabs. So civilized. And treacherous Turks betraying you mid battle. So civilized.

>I'll show you. When the chips are down, these... these civilized people, they'll eat each other.

That's a Song painting.

>commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Grand_Imperial_Procession_(painted_in_Yuan_Dynasty).jpg

Horse archers are fucking legendary. Have the chinks ever won a battle against them?

holy fuck, it's identical to the nordicist rhetoric about ancient Greece/Rome

Fought the best (pre-gunpowder) campaigns versus Steppe Nomads IMO
>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Han–Xiongnu_War

WE WUZ QINGZ N SHET

it's a /pol/ asserts its stupidity over Veeky Forums-sama thread

Should be an IP range ban on everyone who has checked onto /pol/ at least once a week for the past 2 months desu

make Veeky Forums great again

>make Veeky Forums great again

you should be banned you cuck hypocrite

Not sure if ethnically not Asian Tibetan nationalist, /pol/, weeb or broke up with a barely English literate Chinese girl OP

Whichever one you are I'd suggest suicide tho

Irony went right over your head

Only proves you can't read Chinese

commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:大駕鹵簿圖.jpg

Well sorry If some shitty labelling from English Wikipedophile led me to believe it's Song Art.

But googling Yuan period art shows the same, Chinese style shit anyway.

>says all Chinese are mutts that have no genuine Chinese left
>is Chinese
Bro, you feeling okay? This self-deprecation isn't healthy.

Actually, the Yuan Mongol Emperors retained their "Steppe Look" since every single one of them is aping Genghiz Khan. Remember: the Yuan Dynasty is both Mongol Empire and Chinese Imperial Dynasty. Technically Kubilai and his ilk are de jure great khan. They weren't like the Manchus who just forced the whole population in Manchu clothing and installed themselves Chinese emperor and emperor alone and called it a day.

That said, they all never lived in a Yurt their whole fucking lives and were educated in the Chink classical manner. Not to mention they wore Chinese armor to boot since, really, there is no such thing as "native mongol armor."

There's a distinct Mongol influence in clothing after the Yuan conquest.

>there is no such thing as "native mongol armor."
Brigandine?

The main reason the War of 1812 was considered a victory in the US is that the US navy actually managed to not get totally assfucked by the British navy. It still lost a majority of battles.

That's how strong the Imperial Navy was by comparison to everyone else.

>That said, they all never lived in a Yurt their whole fucking lives and were educated in the Chink classical manner. Not to mention they wore Chinese armor to boot since, really, there is no such thing as "native mongol armor."

uhhh, the existence of actual steppe armor begs to differ

I mean, it's not like Europeans were BTFO everyone in the world 1500-1900 or anything.

You mean this one? 钉甲 (Dingjia. Literally: Studded Armor). Shit was developed by the late Song/Jin Dynasty, whose development was carried over into the Yuan Dynasty. The Mongols did introduce to China the helmet that memefully came with it though. But the Helmet was of Turkic design, not their own.

That said, the Mongols really didn't have their own native armor designs. They just bought armor off multiple Turkic/Muslim/Chinese sources and cobbled them together. Later when they had their empire, they wore what the locals produced. So China-based Mongols wore Chinese armor, while the guys in Iran wore Turko-Persian shit.

Umm 1961 is definitely not the first anti-colonial liberation.

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Mongols =/= All Steppe Nomads. The mongols literally came from the arse end of the Steppe Nomad world, to the point where some mongols stopped being Steppe Nomad and lived hippie forest lives: in Siberia.

Considering the Dughars don't exist anymore....

>Shit was developed by the late Song/Jin Dynasty.
Got a source for that?

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>it's not like Europeans were BTFO everyone in the world 1500-1900 or anything

They pretty much did

And they did it while being rules by manchu

Dude, seriously?
1, 2, 3, 4, 8 is Chinkshit armor. The waist cloth padding the belt to the armor is a massive dead giveaway and the helmet in 7 is straight outta the Wujing Zongyao (Complete Essentials for the Military Classics. CA. 11th Century, Song Dynasty).

Only 2, 5, 6 isn't. Dunno what 2 is but 5 & 6 is Jurchenshit or Khitanshit. The Cross-Straps securing the pauldrons is a dead giveaway. Doesn't matter though since I was talking of Mongols.

this
the mongols were paleo-siberian hunter gatherers, reindeer herders

think Yakuts here

then they adopted Yamna Afanesevo IE horse lifestyle

Never knew France actually still directly controlled a part of South America. Like it's literally just France. Cool

French Guiana, pham. It was the setting place of the movie "Papillon"

Im at lunch break in jerb so I can only give you wikishit
>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brigandine#Chinese_dingjia
Most surviving Dingjia nowadays is from the Ming and Qing. But consider that the Korean Kingdom had Dingjia (in Korean: Dajeoung Gap) armor even before the Yuan dynasty was a thing.

m8 the Mongols are right next door to the Khitans and Jurchens who adopted their armor from the Song.

I thought the Koreans adopted their brigandine from Mongols.

Sarcasm is difficult to hear via text.

Okay? Does that change the fact the armies that did it were Chinese?

French hold onto their territories with immense jealousy.

Yes m8, I was talking of Mongols having *Native* armor. Which they didn't

Also no. They got it from the Chinese. The Chinese, in turn, got the idea of brigandine from Muslims. Alongside chainmail.

they weren't exactly paleo-siberian hunter gatherers, reindeer herders

they were part of the xianbei and shiwei, which included many tungus. some branched off to become reindeer herders, other branched off to become hunters/fishermen.

they may have started off as hunters/fishermen

I was replying to >uhhh, the existence of actual steppe armor begs to differ
Mongolian lamellar derived from Chinese variants.

I don't think we disagree.

Que? I'm seeing a (You) on the other post.

Ignore my shit.

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How does this disprove the Mongol adoption of Chinese armaments?

it doesn't. it just depicts artistically that there was already a type of steppe/central asian armor in existence

What are those stick things for?

The Chinese Communists kicked the everloving shit out of the UN forces during the Korean War. Many officers and soldiers that served there attested to the fighting capability of the People's Volunteer Army.

They constantly surrounded and overran so many US positions it's fucking hilarious.

But of course the typical American response is "lol no, we won tho".

It's a plaque dictating to the crowd what your crimes were. It's tied behind your back and the condemned usually wrote it themselves, if they could write.

China went down the quantity tree instead of the quality tree. They aren't as good at it as the Russians are.

Its called a stalemate.

They use it for space shit.

The American Navy would've wiped the British if it's sailors weren't always being taken.

This is a joke mates.

>send over a million people over the border
>capture territory but lose thousands of men
>"GLORIOUS VICTORY BY THE PEOPLE'S "VOLUNTEER" ARMY

Their sheer advantage in numbers was their only strength and they used it well. If you throw enough bodies at a problem you can usually come out on top. I'm not doubting the courage and fighting spirit of the Chinese soldiers though, but I don't think their victories over the UN forces in Korea are the best examples of "Chinese beating filthy barbarians". However this might just be my way of analyzing most battles/wars where, high k/d=winning.

>Chinese
>Zerg rush

This meme needs to die. It's nothing more than American propaganda used to discredit the capabilities of the Chinese and save face, it's the same shit that the Germans said to themselves after they got wrecked by the Soviets. The success of the Chinese came from their infiltration tactics and ability to isolate UN positions and attack them from multiple directions. Most of the causalities they suffered during the war was due to their shitty logistics system, not because of combat.

Don't expect rational fact-based discussion from people with a clear racial agenda to fulfill.

you're awfully persistent

>wahh mommmyy why don't the meanies let me make an unsourced shitpost thread where I can jack off my little dick to racial bias and a circlejerk

Yeah, Japanese are literally Asian Germanics. The inferiority complex is staggering.

>oh no, someone said something negative about grorious china!
>call them evil white supremacists, that'll show them

Chinese were used as fucking cannon fodder, UN soldiers would use Chinese bodies as walls for cover

>Most of the causalities they suffered during the war was due to their shitty logistics system, not because of combat.

This is exactly why its a poor example. Its pretty fucking easy to overwhelm and isolate the enemy when you have no fucking supply chain for your own men. Many of the positions they overran and encircled were bases and airfields that the U.N. needed to resupply troops/provide air support.

>This meme needs to die. It's nothing more than American propaganda used to discredit the capabilities of the Chinese and save face

I'm just going off what I have read/was told by my grandfather who fought in Korea, so sorry if I'm wrong. If you have any books or documents about the Chinese in the Korean war, that aren't "American propaganda", I'd love to read them.

>I'm just going off what I have read/was told by my grandfather who fought in Korea, so sorry if I'm wrong. If you have any books or documents about the Chinese in the Korean war, that aren't "American propaganda", I'd love to read them.

Very few, most of the studies on Chinese tactics during the war are done from American observations. From the Chinese perspective there's very little academic study on war and the few books that are written about it have no English translations. There's one book about the war written by a retired Chinese general that focuses on the political aspect of the war and the secret dealings between Mao and Stalin.

>From the Chinese perspective there's very little academic study on war and the few books that are written about it have no English translations

How wrong can you fucking be? Warfare was fucking defined BY the Chinese, how to conduct a proper war was written by a Chinamen and is STILL studied today in relation to warfare and is even used in business practices.

What the fuck? How can you be so ignorant? They literally defined war as we know it today.

Didn't MacArthur boot them all back across the South Korean border, though? Or am I thinking of another general?

someone did, otherwise south korea wouldn't be a thing.

Are you retarded?
Try reading that post again, even if your slanty fucking eyes can't see shit.

You're a fucking idiot with shit reading comprehension.

>it's the same shit that the Germans said to themselves after they got wrecked by the Soviets
The Soviets also literally did a zerg rush, except it was a US funded zerg rush
Go to bed Xiao Peng

well when your shooting gunpowder out of pottery at fucking warships shit typically goes bad

Well by your fucking definition the Americans zerged rush the Germans in the Western front.

No, we were fighting in two theatres so our troops were spread out, and on top of that the USSR had like twice as many soldiers as us

shit I hate having these brainwashed WE WUZ QINGZ N SHIT chinese posters spreading all this regurgitated propaganda and fake fabricated history about korea and the korean war

netouyo are much better. at least they don't have the support of their government and don't number in the billions. east asian history is doomed

t. park

honestly nipmoot should just range ban east asian IP's like he already did to white piggus with 2ch.

>country in the middle
>middle kingdom

It actually translates to the "center of the world"

this shrimp dick though
>we invented warfare and shit
>book is euclid tier folk wisdom stuff.

Do you have the name of the book? I'm very interested.

>How wrong can you fucking be? Warfare was fucking defined BY the Chinese, how to conduct a proper war was written by a Chinamen and is STILL studied today in relation to warfare and is even used in business practices.

Fuck off, Chang. Westerners did not even need that meme written to kicked native american, indian, afrian, muhammad, or your chink ass.

Japan was occupied by USA after the WWII. So it has been sort of under control of European.

>USA
>European
Please, PLEASE, end yourself RIGHT NOW