Tfw a friend gets roped in to an MLM and you have to cut them loose

happened to me once

friend started calling himself a buisinessman all of a sudden and it was a red flag, wearing suits for no reason
he started going to seminars and I knew what was going on

I sat him down and he was evasive about the whole thing, they had gotten right into his ego
I told him what a MLM was, and what a pyramid scheme was

I warned him that he would start loosing his friends as he blurred the lines between buisiness and his social life, that a lot of people would think he was a crook, and he would accumulate a lot of enemies very quickly

I told him that playing chicken with investing in unsustainable inflation wasn't a skill
that being a part of such a thing was not a privileged, that the "product" was simply a cover

you make a thread like this and people turn up really quickly hyping MLM, lying on the internet
thats how it works, people get dragged in and soon they make a lifestyle out of conning people

things went as I expected, my friend tried to sign me up and I turned him down, I asked him how much he had sunk in and he got angry at me and left
then he started signing people up he met through me, and at that point he was damaging my credebility and Ihad to burn him hard
his only friends are now MLM junkies and he sinks all his money from working at a factory into get rich quick schemes

This is the classic story, thanks for sharing.

I used to think these were trolls until I saw one of those MLM "customers"

they're fucking insane.

> working for the very company you are buying from

Well user some people go to the casino's and make money too. Doesn't mean going to the casino is a wise choice.

BTW, whatever your product is, have you ever considered why the company doesn't just, you know, take it to the actual market directly and hire real employees instead of using a pyramid.

Before cutting your buddy off, remember to tell him this:

This is the key flaw to all MLM's, (1) Why don't they take the product directly to the market, i.e. sell it in stores and (2) Why don't they just have the sales people sell on commission instead of buying the product prior to sale?

If the pawn turns these questions over to their recruiter it quickly exposes the pyramid for what it is.

Or just tell your buddy to go watch that Penn & Teller episode of Bullshit about pyramids.

That's it. You idiots deserve being scammed. I'm finished with trying to help you delusional morons.

>your job is a sham
>my complex pyramid scheme self-employed commission based peddling of things nobody wants is legit

I fell for an MLM interview thing once, God. I still remember the way they tried to make fun of a normal job calling THAT a scam, you've been quite literally brainwashed and I hope you go broke. The only people who stuck it out from the original 14 or so people I was with were niggers. Everybody else vanished when they realised it was some shifty shit out of some undecorated non-marked easily-movable office in some barely passing decent part of London.

You're a fucking door-to-door sales cuck.

legit kinds of MLM:

selling a niche product (often tech) among a professional community that are hard to advertise too, in an industry that is high in credibility
eg. engineers selling each other design programs
works because part of the "product" is including the advertising, and the commission is a reflection of organic marketing reach of the individual
in groups of people who can't be targeted by advertising, or are reluctant to change purchasing choices it can work really well

semi-legit kinds:

tupperware parties, overpriced products are passed around by bored housewives
social credibility is exchanged for cash, entertainment value is added to selling, actual products may or may not be useful, and are never competitive
but at least a real product is sold, and the marketing is SUSTAINABLE (this is key)
if these systems include a mandatory "buy-in" though they become ilegitimate

MLMs set up by charities, where people are conned "for the greater good"

cont

illegitimate kinds:

profit is generated primarily through new members joining, income can come from anywhere but it is the profit that determines the sustainability of the business
if the profit is reliant on new members joining, the business is not sustainable because to reach of the business is limited (this is why there is so much hype around the growth potential of MLM's)
this makes it a "pyramid scheme", because the people loosing money will be within the system

examples include the classic "jewel traders" model where investors simply gain theoretical rank, essentially playing musical chairs with an investment pot
these are ILLEGAL because they are too easy to commit fraud or money laundering within

more sophisticated examples tie rank to selling of a tangible product, but the exact same issues exists because profit comes from people within the buisiness and they are not practically sustainable in the market

complex examples can involve club memberships with benefits, seminar tickets, or finite products that are traded on hyper-infflation (yes I specifically mean crypto)

don't be sucked in

ITT
>retards who do not know anything but they are going to speak for everyone
>morons who know shit about MLM and real products
>mental kiddos that do not know what commision is
>robots
>neets

Pretty much this. Cheers to everyone here who do money working in MLM. We are doing it, while they are fucking wasting time and complaining. We are on a good path.

>mfw this thread

I didn't think there'd be shills here
Or are they trying to get a rise out of people?

redpill us then

literally trying to pull people into a pyramid scheme

samples of perfumes that I sell (16-30%) plus 3 products that I have near me just make a quick photo

You got the logo on the upper right corner

Check country that you live in and if FM is enable there. If you want to start something, just leave here e-mail adress or anything literally.

>tfw yesterday I have hear 2 opinions from new customers that my products is great quality

So you're a door/door salesman

Lol, nope? I do now even know 60% of my clients. It's all about spreading the products. Did Jesse and Walter knew every fucking drug addict?

Shit, you are literally living in some kind of a scheme. That must be sad. But hey! Not my business, will be in my MLM doing money and your whining is nothing to me. Keep going. maybe some of you will get on board and enjoy.

You sound like a sociopath

>claims everyone is wrong
>provides no reasoning, let alone evidence
>is probably legitimately deluded

at best your MLM is bypassing the store's cut and getting people to market for you cheaply

at worst it's an overpriced product, un-competative, or a straight up scam

at my old work we had people turn up in suits trying to sell us that kind of perfume, asking for our boss, not going away, trying to do the "get to know you"

the products were simply overpriced, that was it
it was just a pain in the ass high selling tecnique that disrespected our culture

it's a low way of making a living even if it's a legit product, like standing out the front of stores trying to encourage people in, or bothering people in a mall

Lol, you clearny have nho idea what MLM is, all that suit up stuff, who the fuck do that? Do you live in 4th world country or what?

Look here moron:
Kek, good to be sociopath instead of deny-everything-do-not-try-anything-but-tell-that-its-bad. Kek'd.

Btw while talking to you another $$$ got into my sack from MLM. Loosers.

>mfw you

I read your posts, but you till havn't made an argument for

A. how you compete in the marketplace with established brands
B. how the profits are split between employees
C. is there any kind of "buy in", including training fees, minimum orders, loans, etc
D. what stops a lower level investor starting an identical system and poaching your clients/employees
E. are you relying on your personal relationships to make sales

these are simple and black and white questions, this isn't /pol/; you won't sway many people with reaction images

A. I simply show how product work and tell why it's better than competition, give for example samples of coffee or show perfumes and explain that XY brand got 12-14% perfumes while I have 16-30% etc.

B. I take commision on product, I buy from company for 10, sell for 15 - that simple, or I can sell it for 11 or 30, it's up to me generally but I act fairly

C. No buy in. NO. You have a choice of buy nothing and sell or just (like me) buy samples of perfumes to be able to show them to client. I have bought samples of perfumes and some other samples for example X money. After first month I have my X money back + Y money net.

D. I do not fully understand that question and won;t answer because I fear I will do that in a wrong way or I will fuck something up. Sorry.

E. No, I don't. But hey, I sell for example perfumes and some mate of me ask if I got something, sure I have, I help him choose and as I told you before, I can sell it to him even for the cost price. It's not good to make money on friends or family, yeah?

and now I am going to enjoy some of my free time, will be here later to answer another bunch of non believers. Kek. Life is fantastic.

well that's more like it user

you say that you are competing mainly on the basis of a better sales tactic
but that doesn't relate to it being a MLM, if you are just on-selling someone elses product that is not a MLM, you're just a door to door salesman
(and what you said in B makes me think this)

there is no question that door to door can be a great tactic, but that is not the issue here

let me get this straight
you buy perfume samples from a manufacturer, then the customers order the product through you and you make a commission?

so at what point does it become a MLM, sounds to me like you're just a freelane sales rep (nothing wrong with that, it's honest business)

It becomes MLM in a point when you grew your sales network so big you cannot work alone anymore. You find a few salesmen like you and they work now under you, in your line, doing the same. But after they earn money, you get for example 3% of their net income from a company. This is very very simplified to be fair. But it is how it works.

You are the customer not the salesman. You are already buying the product at a ridiculously high price that almost nobody else would buy it for.

well that is indeed a MLM, of the tupperware kind.

and where there isn't anything wrong with that ethically, I'd be interested in your unit prices

I've traveled up to grasse in france and a few other perfumeries in passing, and I like to think I have some idea about these things

I still have a few assorted questions if you have the time

what is the price disparity between your products and products in store, surely you must be selling at a much higher margin (if not pricepoint) to justify the complex sales system

so your "employee" pays a kickback to you?
what is to stop them going to "your boss" to get a lower kickback?
(if it's not say 3% for everyone)
for that matter what is to stop them buying a similar product and competing with you directely

what is to stop you peeling off their labels, and on-selling the product directly to avoid the kickback; or for that matter buying their products further up the supply chain to lower your costs
often it's in your contract, but realistically if you breached the contract there would be little they could do

seems to me like the only thing the MLM has going for it is that the organic reach gives it independent market space

not OP but to be fair user, that's not unethical
that just makes it risky business

some people might be fooled into buying heaps with the false assurance of on-selling it at a profit
but that is a fixture of business as a whole

your jewler buys stones at an inflated price thinking people will buy them from him at a even greater markup

the only risk is that lay-people's lack of business skill is being taken advantage of and they are being sold a pile of expensive shit

that's the part of "pyramid scheme" that nobody will tell you
that the dynamic itself is in all business, the only difference is that are infinitely less stable

a hundred crypto's have crashed to zero point because they operate on the pyramid scheme dynamic

tomorrow people might decide diamonds are just rocks and jewelers would be on the bottom of a giant pyramid scheme

I don't support this kind of buisiness because it is all about finding someone greedier, more foolish, more shortsighted
they suck in people with big ego's and poor living conditions

but that is no different from wall street, they just started with the stakes higher

so I don't support stock trading either, which I suppose makes me an anti-capitalist; but there you go

What is mlm

same thing happened to me. i knew right away even without knowing what MLM was, earning money off and solely from recruiting others is dodgy. He stopped hanging out with me and got told from a mutual friend who was also in the program how they needed to cut out friends who won't help them succeed, low keying implying me. 2 years later i have 20k in the bank and IRA and transferring to a uni paying half my tuition. Fucking sucks people believe this shit

it's a system of commission sales normal when each sale rep can recruit other sales reps, and then get a commission from those reps sales

they are a cutthroat kind of operation, and thrive on exploiting the foolish
many are get rich quick schemes that end in tears

many are or turn into "pyramid schemes", which are illegal

don't get involved in one in any way unless you save serious sales experiance

i told my friend that his buisiness was all about finding someoen stupider than him to pass the buck to

he thought he was cleverer than everyone around him, and that arrogance ended up making him the biggest fool himself

happened to some elderly woman I know too, she got set up with a series of fake deals so she thought she could make money, when she signed on the contacts vanished and she was left with piles of worthless stock

So user, kindly answer the following 2 questions posted here:

You sound like every girl I know who's selling arbonne or younique

I'm not sure if there's trolling in here or people actually believe in MLM schemes.

Avon and the like aren't MLM, they're just selling on commission

well I despise MLM's, but it's a practical objection.

selling your product
selling someone else's product
selling someone else's product for them
selling your product to someone who will sell it on themselves
selling your product to someone who will sell it for a commissions
selling your product to someone who will then sell it to a third party and receive a commission
selling your product to someone who will then sell it onto a third party who will give you both a commission

it's a logical extension of sales structure
and this is why the MLM is not simply outlawed, because it's impossible to define it without including mainstream business

the problems with MLM are
A. they frequently mislead people who are involved in them
B. they work on an unsustainable model of growth/inflation
C. they often provide no benefit to society
D. they take advantage of the uneducated or mentally unsound
E. they sell products that are of poor quality, defective
F. they blur the social/business divide in a way that hurts real people

it's not the MLM itself that is flawed, just the vast majority of the applications of one

I am willing to talk and to present you everything I can but we will need some kind of different conversation, like maybe in real time - what do you say for skype? Do you have it? If yes, leave nickname.

this is where you try to sign me up right

I have already seen with my own two eyes where MLM's take people

in the same way heroin isn't that bad in and of itself, a MLM ruins the lives of people who become involved with them

I'm spelling out the reasoning for my objection to MLM's so when the people lurking see MLM's, they arn't surprised by the arguments for them

they can be sustainable, legitimate and beneficial, but only provided the slew of conditions are met

and surprise surprise, when these conditions are met the whole model looses it's merit to the people who start them up

ah yes

one of my old friends just tried to get me to buy into his "make money from the forex market on your phone with our tips"

I live in Atlanta and my wife is black.

Literally every fucking one of her extended family members is in some type of MLM. Half of them are either in Avon, Tupperware, or some Herbalife crap.

And every fucking one of them loses money or barely brakes even... all they fucking do is cross sell to each other!

These people have the most mutually parasitic, un-productive relationships I have ever seen. Nobody ever comes out ahead... everybody loses.

> HEY MAN WANNA GET RICH?
> HERE IS HOW:
> FIRST YOU PAY US
> THEN YOU WORK FOR US FOR
> THEN IF YOU SELL YOU GET A SMALL PART
> THEN YOU SHAM PEOPLE TO JOIN

I've never talked about this with anyone before, but I want to let anyone thinking about joining an MLM know my own experience with one before making any rash decisions

>be in an MLM, midlevel distributor
>push off easy weight loss formulas and all other kinds of bullshit on my family friends, really getting into it
>one day im running low on my stock so i go to order some more with my 2.5% distributor discount
>the moment i finish placing the order, someone knocks on my door
>i go over to it thinking it must be one of my usual clients craving their next weight loss serum fix
>open the door and bill ackman bursts in
>his eyes are blazing with the fury of 1000 public shorts
>before i can say anything he slams the door shut behind me, rams me up against the wall
>i try to scream but as i open my mouth, ackman pulls out a bottle of my own weightloss serum, and rams it down my throat
>i can barely breathe, im drowning in 100% organic non-GMO fluids
>when im about to pass out due to nutrient overload, he releases me and i drop to the floor wheezing
>he pulls something out his pocket
>its an FTC complaint form, he fills it out and pins it to my forehead
>as he turns and goes to leave, he just winks and tells me if i stay in my MLM he will create an distributor compensation program of pain for me and all my loved ones

get out whilst you still can, before he comes for you too.

Hilarious.

We used used to have threads here where people would screencap Facebook posts from MLM "entrepreneurs", good times.

You gotta admire the tenacity of that guy though. He's literally kept coming back to this thread for two days, hoping to recruit someone. Or maybe it's just desperation.

>n
I am not trying to recruit anything. I just can;t stand the situation when someones got wrong view on something or just can;t admit that he is not right.

To be honest, look up for FM World company and research a little.

BTW. products are really high quality because many people told me that and they phone me when they are ran out of something

Woah, please don't reply to my posts. It creeps me the fuck out.

You are worse than a drug dealer in the misery you peddle onto disadvantaged people under the veneer of legitimacy. You should be ashamed of yourself.

pretty much this. MLM faggots PREY on the desparate single moms, impressionable teens with no life experience and the vulnerable poor people in society. It spreads like a cancer and it's truly horrific to watch.

I also live in Atlanta.

She ever talk about Neon? A friend from work invited me to a Neon pyramid.

>recently graduate community college
>Immediately get letter from Vector mlm

These guys must have a fucking database or something

My friend tried to get me to join Amway but i immediately detected it was an mlm, especially since another friend had tried to get me to join Herbalife back when i didn't know what an mlm was (no money at the time). Is it that mlm's are inherently a scam business model or that it is so easily exploited by pyramid schemers? From what i have read there are an extremely small minority of mlm's that are legit like tupperware , but idk if that is a lie or not.

>I'm so desperate I bought a job where I make commision on sales from worthless products and help trick other people into doing the same
To see that this is a scam, all you have to ask is why the guys at the top find normal business practices unsuitable... for what fucking reason would they start recruiting losers as employees and get them charging $4k to their credit cards as capital? It makes no sense. They have no motivation to do these things over hiring actual employees to sell their product effectively. Ergo there is trickery afoot